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Schiller reports back on all the artists that use a Surface to run Photoshop or designers running Autodesk products with their stylii. The creatives should be using Apple products and this new iPad will cater to them. I just hope they launch some killer software or partner with someone like Maya for some awesome app at launch. I need a stylus to design characters for 3D rendering on my jewelry and furniture designs and most of the artist pro-level stylii suck.
 
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Steve Jobs: If you need a stylus, you've already failed.

I agree.

It's still not a "need" though. Tablet PCs then were optimized for the pen, and not the touch like they are now. You used to otherwise have to use your fingernails and put pressure on the screen. Or just simply twist it back into a laptop. That is not the case anymore, you can use them like you would use any other touchscreen now.

You'll be able to use the iPad the same way as always, this is just an option.
 
Sigh... Steve is rolling over in his grave :(

Who cares? The ability to support an active stylus would make the iPad a better device than it is. I have left the iPad because it does not support an active stylus. It isn't like the iOS UI is built around the use of a stylus, and I think that that is what Jobs meant. But if it causes him to roll in his grave, then let him roll.
 
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Well no Apple needs to respond to the Microsoft surface pro 3 which is perfect for graphic artists that want to draw or technicians that need something to write on. That's a market that Apple should have had to begin with but Microsoft was actually smarter there.

If I had a choice between a Lenova ultra book, a mac air, or a surface pro 3 - as an engineer I would choose the surface pro 3. It's a no brainer.

Apple is losing a lot of money there.

Before everyone jumps on the "Steve is rolling in his grave/was wrong" bandwagon, let's remember some key words from this piece: "KGI Securities analyst Ming-Chi Kuo"
There, now we can think of how foolish we were for taking this article seriously. We'll laugh and laugh and then take a nap :)

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Sigh... Steve is rolling over in his grave :(

Having rewatched the 2007 Jobs iPhone announcement recently, this bit particularly stands out regarding this news:

http://youtu.be/4YY3MSaUqMg?t=10s

"You have to get them, and then put them away... yeuch!"

None of this really applies to what is being talked about here. They use the word "stylus", but really they're talking about a 'pen'.

What's the difference? Well, I consider a stylus to be a pointing device - something you use to bring up menus and move around the page, etc. A pen is really more of an accessory for drawing-type tasks (although that's not to say you can't use it to navigate menus and such, just that it isn't its primary purpose).

Styluses are a bad idea - it's much more convenient and intuitive to use your fingers to navigate a device. Pens, however, are very good ideas - they allow us to keep on directly manipulating things on the screen (which is what makes iPhones and iPads so great and so different from PCs), but they allow us to do it more precisely and comfortably (palm rejection).

I would love a pen for iOS. The Samsung pen is basically the only thing I'm jealous of from the Android world. I want that pen, but with Apple's software and system integration.
 
Stop worshiping Steve has a god. Even he would have went back on his previous decisions from time to time.

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He was right during that time but things change over the years.

I am not worshiping, i am just agreeing. There are thousands of apps in AppStore as proof.
There is no need for it, just as gadget and hassle.
 
Well no Apple needs to respond to the Microsoft surface pro 3 which is perfect for graphic artists that want to draw or technicians that need something to write on. That's a market that Apple should have had to begin with but Microsoft was actually smarter there.

If I had a choice between a Lenova ultra book, a mac air, or a surface pro 3 - as an engineer I would choose the surface pro 3. It's a no brainer.

Apple is losing a lot of money there.

I got a Surface Pro 3 for Christmas and my iPad has not left the table where I keep it since and I haven't used my MBP much since either. Not saying that this replaces the MBP for me, but I sure think it could. The current iPad feels like a toy to me, an oversized phone. I use my Surface for taking notes at work (with the active stylus). The handwriting capabilities are amazing. So my Surface is a tablet, a notebook (when I use the type cover), a traveling desktop (when I use my Bluetooth keyboard and trackpad with the Surface on a table), and a desktop (when I have it docked to my 27 inch monitor). I think that it is my favorite computer that I have ever owned. I wish that Apple made something similar.
 
I don't feel that 9.7" is too small at all. In fact, unless there is good arm/Palm rejection he 12.9" will be too big. Plus, if your needs demand mobility you'll want the 9.7" or 7.9" model.

I don't think the Mini will get much love, Apple's showed it isn't a priority.

That's the great thing about an active stylus; when it's hovering over the screen you can completely ignore other input. At least options exist that are impossible with all current ipad stylli.
 
If Apple did do this, I hope the pen would be pressure sensitive for digital painting and stuff.

The pressure sensitive thing, like a Cintiq tablet, will be a big deal for artists. I do hope Adobe would support the 12" tablet directly with their "Ink & Slide" stylus package. That was one well thought out stylus package.
 
Sigh... Steve is rolling over in his grave :(

Maybe. But he was wrong so many times (stylus, iPhone size, iPad size war on Android just to name a few) that I think he was not that much of a visionair as some people like him to be.
 
None of this really applies to what is being talked about here. They use the word "stylus", but really they're talking about a 'pen'.

What's the difference? Well, I consider a stylus to be a pointing device - something you use to bring up menus and move around the page, etc. A pen is really more of an accessory for drawing-type tasks (although that's not to say you can't use it to navigate menus and such, just that it isn't its primary purpose).

Styluses are a bad idea - it's much more convenient and intuitive to use your fingers to navigate a device. Pens, however, are very good ideas - they allow us to keep on directly manipulating things on the screen (which is what makes iPhones and iPads so great and so different from PCs), but they allow us to do it more precisely and comfortably (palm rejection).

I would love a pen for iOS. The Samsung pen is basically the only thing I'm jealous of from the Android world. I want that pen, but with Apple's software and system integration.

That's a pretty narrow definition. Stylli have been around for ages.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stylus
 
Steve Jobs: If you need a stylus, you've already failed.

I agree.

I must have missed the part here about "needing" a stylus. On the other hand, supporting it as an option has already proven to work well even with 3rd party styluses (in specific apps) for iOS.

If the 13" iPad can't be used without a stylus, yes, you've failed. If it adds optional value, you have not failed. Hard to believe this needs to be spelled out though :)
 
Well no Apple needs to respond to the Microsoft surface pro 3 which is perfect for graphic artists that want to draw or technicians that need something to write on. That's a market that Apple should have had to begin with but Microsoft was actually smarter there.

If I had a choice between a Lenova ultra book, a mac air, or a surface pro 3 - as an engineer I would choose the surface pro 3. It's a no brainer.

Apple is losing a lot of money there.

The majority of professional artists like myself use a Cintiq tablet with the Mac OS X. The Microsoft Surface would probably integrate better with those using the Microsoft OS. Of the few people I've read that used the Surface Pro 3, they say the Cintiq is still better and more responsive. Maybe the Surface Pro 3 is better for engineers than artists. I've read some people running CAD software on the Surface Pro 3 and liking it. I do wish the iPad Pro would be a dual boot for OS X and iOS.
 
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Can't we just buy a $10 stylus right now for the iPad?

Yes, but the $10 ones are just finger extensions and while they might give you a bit more precision than a finger, they're not a patch on the styluses on Samsung and other tablets, that offer features like:

[*] Pressure sensitivity
[*] Stylus buttons with extra functionality
[*] The ability to distinguish between a hand touch and a stylus touch - so, for instance, it can ignore the users palm brushing the screen while they're drawing.
[*] The ability to 'hover' without clicking.

To get this you either need an "active digitiser" built into the screen (as per Samsung) or a smart stylus in communication with the OS.

Steve Jobs: If you need a stylus, you've already failed.

...and that was quite true in the case of the original iPhone.

NB: No multitasking and a tiny screen also made sense at the time on something that was still, primarily, a phone. Things moved on.

A 12" iPad "pro" is another kettle of fish - it is not going to get used in the same way as a smaller iPad, let alone an iPhone. It will be much more of a desktop-bound device, and appeal to people doing serious graphics or making extensive use of handwriting recognition. Its going to be in competition with things like this: http://www.engadget.com/products/wacom/cintiq/12wx/

Personally, I'm a bit skeptical about the whole iPad Pro idea, but a 12" iPad without an active digitiser (or a smart stylus with similar capabilities) would be a complete non-starter.
 
Maybe. But he was wrong so many times (stylus, iPhone size, iPad size war on Android just to name a few) that I think he was not that much of a visionair as some people like him to be.

That's about the goofiest way to explain away someone's "visionary status" for minor reasons or eventual advances in technology. Maybe he was wrong about the size and specs on the original Mac in 1984 because all-in-one macs today have 27 inch color 5k screens! If someone envisioned petroleum powered 2 seater vehicles taking over the world in 1850, we should say she wasn't much of a visionary now since clearly 4 seater petroleum powered vehicles are the standard :rolleyes:

Steve also said "I'm not convinced people want to watch movies on a tiny little screen", and a year later launched 5th gen iPod (that you could watch movies on)

Right, I mean who could ever change his mind or be convinced of something different... Especially not after an incredibly short blip of time like an entire year :D
 
Oh, I want this iPad stylus too — so that SJ will come back from death and kick you guys' arses.
 
finally! Im looking forward to drawing on my ipad. I only wish it would be integrated in the 10 inch version aswell.

btw. STEVE WAS NEVER AGAINST STYLI IN GENERAL.

He was only against a stylus as the primary input device. It is logical that a stylus is way better for drawing and writing.
 
Finally! Apple getting into reality. I'm happy with my Surface PRO 3 at the moment but might return to Apple if true.
 
I know I know, 'Apple does it better',,, 'now is the time, it was too early two years ago', etc.. but you have to give them credit that they were on to something with the idea of 'productive tablet' rather than a media consumption device.

You seem to forget that the Newton way back in the 1990s lad a stylus, long before Microsoft did jack or ****. So, no, Apple did it first, knew it first, and under Jobs knew it was better to launch an iPhone rather than re-publishing a Newton or a PDA instead.
 
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