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Apple Preparing 10.4.12 Update For Tiger?

My dad's 7 year old 700mhz G3 iMac. It ran Tiger, spotlight and dashboard were too much, so it went back to Panther. It emails, surfs quickly, and cranks out word documents like nobody's business. What would Leopard give him? Spaces? Time Machine? The ability to Spotlight network storage? Please, supporting old OSes was never Apple's bag, but if they want to start now, I'd be happy. Some of us know the pain in the ass it is to find Classic OSes for our Classic machines...
 
miketcool said:
My dad's 7 year old 700mhz G3 iMac. It ran Tiger, spotlight and dashboard were too much, so it went back to Panther. It emails, surfs quickly, and cranks out word documents like nobody's business. What would Leopard give him? Spaces? Time Machine? The ability to Spotlight network storage? Please, supporting old OSes was never Apple's bag, but if they want to start now, I'd be happy. Some of us know the pain in the ass it is to find Classic OSes for our Classic machines...
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There comes a point where support for machines older than 5 years just aren't worth it.

Advances in software in the professional market means that the OS and the hardware have to be top notch in order for the software to run as quickly as possible.

In the consumer market this isn't really an issue. But for computers to advance and technology to improve, you have to focus on the future rather than the past.

If your 7 year old Panther machine runs fine, why do you still want Apple to provide updates for it?

They need to focus on the current and future of their products, not out-dated ones.
 
Kilamite said:
There comes a point where support for machines older than 5 years just aren't worth it.

Advances in software in the professional market means that the OS and the hardware have to be top notch in order for the software to run as quickly as possible.

In the consumer market this isn't really an issue. But for computers to advance and technology to improve, you have to focus on the future rather than the past.

If your 7 year old Panther machine runs fine, why do you still want Apple to provide updates for it?

They need to focus on the current and future of their products, not out-dated ones.
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They need to continue to support their user base whether that be professionals like myself requiring high end equipment for advanced simulation modeling or loyal consumers like my father who needs a reliable machine for word processing. Updates to security, stability and legacy compatibility are always welcome. For a computer without any internal fans and only one hard drive replacement; he sure has gotten his money's worth from our family computer.
Unfortunately for a lot of the loyal user base, we are the past. We remember Apple before the iPod success. Apple choosing more and more to neglect the large user base and their older equipment is shameful business practice. I wish to continue using some of my older Apple products for many more years alongside my new ones. For word processing, emailing and surfing the web: justifying a new $1400 machine isn't worth it.
 
miketcool said:
They need to continue to support their user base whether that be professionals like myself requiring high end equipment for advanced simulation modeling or loyal consumers like my father who needs a reliable machine for word processing. Updates to security, stability and legacy compatibility are always welcome. For a computer without any internal fans and only one hard drive replacement; he sure has gotten his money's worth from our family computer.
Unfortunately for a lot of the loyal user base, we are the past. We remember Apple before the iPod success. Apple choosing more and more to neglect the large user base and their older equipment is shameful business practice. I wish to continue using some of my older Apple products for many more years alongside my new ones. For word processing, emailing and surfing the web: justifying a new $1400 machine isn't worth it.
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Again you are missing the point - Apple cannot focus on an operating system that is 5 years old. Technology has changed a lot. Current Mac's are now Intel based, and Apple rightly-so is likely to drop PPC support in 10.6.

We would never move forward if everyone kept using old technology. Does your father's Panther system have any problems at the moment that would require an update? If his current system does him fine and he doesn't need the latest technology, then so be it. No one is forcing him to update.

Leopard, even though there is still bugs to be ironed out, is a very reliable and fast operating system. New user interface enhancements make the Mac experience even better. But these bugs would take ages to get ironed out if Apple still focused attention on operating systems that are 5 years old.

Professionals who have a current system without any problems don't need to update. But there will come a point where they will be forced to upgrade their systems in order to keep up with software enhancements which make doing the job a lot quicker and better.
 
Far as I'm concerned, any updates are always appreciated, so long as they don't break anything.

Until I upgrade my hardware, I am incapable of using Leopard. And since I have other bill and am generally not made of money, this will still be a while yet.

Moreover, I'm still not impressed by what I'm seeing in Leopard, vis a vis stability, number of issues to be worked out, UI behavior, etc. So as far as I'm concerned, Leopard can simply just wait.

I mean, I'm half-tempted to build a box, and switch over to Linux full time. Biggest things stopping me doing that are a lack of a really good web site-creation app (Bluefish really doesn't pass muster, and I'm not interested in coding whatsoever), lack of a really good desktop publishing app (Scribus has miles and miles to go before I'd consider it really useable and comparable to, say, InDesign or Quark), and a really good image editor (Gimp is getting there, but it's still no Photoshop).

So, we'll just have to see. At least I'm aware that I have options.
 
Kilamite said:
Again you are missing the point - Apple cannot focus on an operating system that is 5 years old. Technology has changed a lot. Current Mac's are now Intel based, and Apple rightly-so is likely to drop PPC support in 10.6.
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But let's also point out that this is, and will be, less for technical reasons than for marketing ones. Apple is in business to make money, and they make money by selling systems, not by providing software updates.

Personally I'm extremely happy that the Power Mac G4 that I bought almost eight years ago still fulfills my needs and still runs Apple's latest OS - practically unheard of in the personal computing market. There will come a time when I'll have to upgrade to a more advanced system. When that happens, I hope that Apple offers a better choice for a mid-range desktop. The mini is underpowered and too restricted in expandability for my taste, and I have no use for a $3000 8-core speed demon either. I think Apple is ignoring a market segment who like me would prefer something in between.
 
Eric S. said:
But let's also point out that this is, and will be, less for technical reasons than for marketing ones. Apple is in business to make money, and they make money by selling systems, not by providing software updates.

Personally I'm extremely happy that the Power Mac G4 that I bought almost eight years ago still fulfills my needs and still runs Apple's latest OS - practically unheard of in the personal computing market. There will come a time when I'll have to upgrade to a more advanced system. When that happens, I hope that Apple offers a better choice for a mid-range desktop. The mini is underpowered and too restricted in expandability for my taste, and I have no use for a $3000 8-core speed demon either. I think Apple is ignoring a market segment who like me would prefer something in between.
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Apple's answer to a call for a mid-range desktop:

One 2.8GHz Quad-Core Intel Xeon (quad-core) $2299.00
 
Eric S. said:
Personally I'm extremely happy that the Power Mac G4 that I bought almost eight years ago still fulfills my needs and still runs Apple's latest OS - practically unheard of in the personal computing market. There will come a time when I'll have to upgrade to a more advanced system. When that happens, I hope that Apple offers a better choice for a mid-range desktop. The mini is underpowered and too restricted in expandability for my taste, and I have no use for a $3000 8-core speed demon either. I think Apple is ignoring a market segment who like me would prefer something in between.
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iMac?
 
Roy said:
Apple's answer to a call for a mid-range desktop:

One 2.8GHz Quad-Core Intel Xeon (quad-core) $2299.00
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I didn't realize that was an option. four cores is better than eight, but probably still two more than I need. :)

You can get a mini with one 2.0GHz Intel Core 2 Duo, 2 GB RAM and a 160 GB HD for $949. Now give me that with a bigger HD and put it in a box with PCI expansion slots and the ability to easily swap the CPU, for under $2000. That's what I would be looking for.

Eric
 
Eric S. said:
I didn't realize that was an option. four cores is better than eight, but probably still two more than I need. :)

You can get a mini with one 2.0GHz Intel Core 2 Duo, 2 GB RAM and a 160 GB HD for $949. Now give me that with a bigger HD and put it in a box with PCI expansion slots and the ability to easily swap the CPU, for under $2000. That's what I would be looking for.

Eric
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Watch the refurb store. On the Canadian store there is currently a 2 x duo core 2.66 mac pro (I know its still 2 cores more than you need) 250 SATA HD, 1 GB memory, and a superdrive for $2099 Cdn. Its the previous generation, but its a lot more 'puter than a mini. (though I still love my mini!) I've seen duo cores on occasion for less than $2k - they don't last long.
 
Cassie said:
10.4.12, eh?

Sorry, after what 10.4.11 did to my mini, I'm sticking with 10.4.10
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I know you must be emotionally distraught over what 10.4.11 did to your mini, and I know you don't want to talk about it now, but when you get to feeling better about it, then perhaps you can share how your mini was abused by 10.4.11.
 
Roy said:
I know you must be emotionally distraught over what 10.4.11 did to your mini, and I know you don't want to talk about it now, but when you get to feeling better about it, then perhaps you can share how your mini was abused by 10.4.11.
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Haha, well it wasn't directly responsible for the death of my beloved mac, but it was involved.

10.4.11 must be the worst update ever designed. It slowed down my computer so much, the only thing I could possibly do was try and remedy the situation with a RAM upgrade. Well, long story short, things went horribly wrong during the process, and as a result, my mini is dead. Damn you 10.4.11!

(I'm very lucky I decided not to do the update on my iBook G3, as it is my only usable computer I have left, humming happily along with 10.4.10, the most rock solid version of Tiger ever.)
 
Cassie said:


Haha, well it wasn't directly responsible for the death of my beloved mac, but it was involved.

10.4.11 must be the worst update ever designed. It slowed down my computer so much, the only thing I could possibly do was try and remedy the situation with a RAM upgrade. Well, long story short, things went horribly wrong during the process, and as a result, my mini is dead. Damn you 10.4.11!

(I'm very lucky I decided not to do the update on my iBook G3, as it is my only usable computer I have left, humming happily along with 10.4.10, the most rock solid version of Tiger ever.)
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Maybe I haven't been paying attention, but my 7 year, 2 month old G4 466 Digital Audio thinks it's (10.4.11) the best system its ever used. It used to take my G4 3 to 4 minutes to go from pressing the startup button till desktop. Now about 45 seconds. And all my old and new programs work.

BTW, with your pink writing, I looked at your public profile and you probably won't know it until later, but high school years are the "best years of your life". I taught high school for 32 years and I've been told that many a times by many of my former students.
 
Roy said:
BTW, with your pink writing, I looked at your public profile and you probably won't know it until later, but high school years are the "best years of your life". I taught high school for 32 years and I've been told that many a times by many of my former students.
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Oh, I'll learn to love it later in life, but being a freshman is probably the worst part of it.
 
So, where is it?

I believe the rumor of a possible 10.4.12 was first posted on 3/5, and claimed that the update would be released within a couple weeks. It is now 3/18 - is there any update on the update?
 
Ive twice tried LEOPARD and went back to 10.4.11.
Maybe by 10.5.5 it will be stable.
I think there may be some APPLE apps, or systems bugs that will require a '10.4.12'

We also have to worry now about bloatware
 
seashellz said:
Ive twice tried LEOPARD and went back to 10.4.11.
Maybe by 10.5.5 it will be stable.
I think there may be some APPLE apps, or systems bugs that will require a '10.4.12'

We also have to worry now about bloatware
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Bloatware? Apple's own software could never be called that IMO.

I have noticed a LOT more crashes in Leopard than my old Tiger set-up - and boot times are slower. Was Tiger (before 10.4.7) ever this un-optimised?
 
Dennis Kucunich (D-TX)on the CNN debates, was asked by Wolf Blitzer who thinks he's so cleverly springing a trap-
"So, you are the only candidate that voted against the 'Patriot' Act...why is that?"
DK, to a standing ovation="Its because ive actually read the damn thing"
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Joe Smartass-"Tiger is just SOOOO yesterday-why not get with the times and move to Leopard?"

Me: because I have a tried it a couple times-and went back to 10.4.11-so a 10.4.12 would probably bring all the iPhone, this and that Time Machine what have you together to all work as one.
 
this is great news for me. i'm still using tiger. i've never felt the need for leopard.
 
fourthtunz said:
I bet there are a ton of audio video and other professional types, that have not upgraded from tiger. I can't think of a reason why I should hurry, tiger is great for work, if it ain't broke why fix it?:)
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Absolutely correct! There are many of us who cannot afford to leap from our current platform to a less stable one. The fear of creative downtime will keep us on 10.4.11 until 10.5.7 (or 10.5.8.......etc). 10.4.11 is incredibly stable and efficient and runs fantastically with Apple's Pro Apps. 10.5.4 may do the same, or it may not, or it may have some glitches...so we stick with what's safe.

Believe it or not you will still find professional musicians that run 10.2 and 10.3, and surprisingly several who run 9.2.2 because of the midi implementation. Many mac music people didn't jump to OSX until Logic 7.0 which I think was 10.3. ( I admit I ran 9.2.2 right past OSX and 10.1 and 10.2.)
 
daneoni said:
I'm still running 10.4.11 on my main system and will most likely continue to do so till some issues have been addressed in Leopard. FWIW i still prefer Tiger to Leopard and would actually have downgraded my BlackBook to Tiger if it were possible. I'd welcome a 10.4.12 update with open arms.
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x2. For the price tag on Leopard OS, I will not upgrade until it too is rock solid and the updates slow down a little.
 
I can't believe this thread was resurrected. There have not been any recent rumors about a 10.4.12, nothing since this was originally floated last March, have there?

In fact, if Apple was plannning a 10.4.12 I would expect it would at least be released at the same time as 10.5.4 to include compatibility features with MobileMe. But there has been no mention of that, and Apple's Terms of Service for MobileMe specifically refers to 10.4.11 as required for support, so I don't think they are thinking in terms of a 10.4.12 at all.
 
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