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Apple Preparing for Mac OS X 10.5.1
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Things I think need fixing:
1] Back To My Mac - great potential but works sloppy at best. I haven't got it to actually fully work like its supposed to.
2] Time Machine via Airport - What good is it if you have to tether your MB or MBP to the wall every time you want to back something up. Make it work over the wireless with a hard drive connected to AP Extreme.
3] Final Cut Studio - fix the THE OZONE PLUG-IN bug.
4] Notes and To Dos - Why do they not show up in a little side folder in .Mac mail when I open up mail in a browser?
5] Stacks - Why can't a stack actually be a folder in itself? Right now they boil down to a fancy shortcut. I would love to select all the clutter on my desktop and drag them onto the dock and have them become a new stack and disappear from my desktop.
6] iDisk - syncing is slow and painful if you have big files on there. I get repeated 'sync failed' messages, most of the time and when it finally does my internet slows way down.
6] iCal - I would still love to see the entire week all at once in week view. I hate that I have to scroll to see the bottom. How hard would it be to add a zoom slider.
There are other things that I'm forgetting but those are the ones off the top of my head. But there are so many things I love about Leopard as well!! Keep up the good work Apple!
1] Back To My Mac - great potential but works sloppy at best. I haven't got it to actually fully work like its supposed to.
2] Time Machine via Airport - What good is it if you have to tether your MB or MBP to the wall every time you want to back something up. Make it work over the wireless with a hard drive connected to AP Extreme.
3] Final Cut Studio - fix the THE OZONE PLUG-IN bug.
4] Notes and To Dos - Why do they not show up in a little side folder in .Mac mail when I open up mail in a browser?
5] Stacks - Why can't a stack actually be a folder in itself? Right now they boil down to a fancy shortcut. I would love to select all the clutter on my desktop and drag them onto the dock and have them become a new stack and disappear from my desktop.
6] iDisk - syncing is slow and painful if you have big files on there. I get repeated 'sync failed' messages, most of the time and when it finally does my internet slows way down.
6] iCal - I would still love to see the entire week all at once in week view. I hate that I have to scroll to see the bottom. How hard would it be to add a zoom slider.
There are other things that I'm forgetting but those are the ones off the top of my head. But there are so many things I love about Leopard as well!! Keep up the good work Apple!
Hear, hear!
That would actually make stacks useful. I still want to know what idiot suggested they remove the selection-makes-a-stack function.
I don't think it helps to call people idiots but I have to agree that it is very idiotic. Installing 10.5.0 on a machine you depend on, having problems and then switching to Vista cuz it just works?
from the stability and design I would say the sr graphic designer's 4th grade son and his best friend were the beta testers.
Yanno what just occured to me? All the errors that happen were because the HD had a " in it. On a whim I did an archive and install (Quickest) after renaming the HD just "Macintosh HD" and....it worked and now it's good to go. Oh well. At least now I'll have to two copies of 10.5.
PS. Yeah, I'm retarded.
Well, you did uncover a bug. Most of the "odd" files in your screenshot actually belong there. What's weird is that Finder isn't supposed to show them. Looks like the " in your volume name triggered an edge case that wasn't accounted for during testing.
I first thought maybe my disc wasn't telling 10.5 to HIDE the invisible files that are here and there in OS-X. If that was the case I was going to find that preference that allows you to show/hide invisible files. Wasn't the case. But it all seems good now.
Apple I think should tell people in the installer and documentation to NOT name your HD this or that with this or that character to avoid this problem. I'm surprised that the several hours I spent on the phone with Apple they didn't even pick up on that fact. I guess it's just a rare thing.
i did a zeroed out clean install of leopard and it freezes up at least 3 or 4 times a day. so dont be so quick to say that there arent problems. my tiger install ran perfect and never crashed. maybe like 10 times in 2 years but at least it showed the kernel panic screen. in leopard it just dies with not even the panic screen
as to huge bugs just go to
support and look. so many reports with hundreds of replies on the same issuelook at the graphics bug that is very common
here are just 2 screenshots of them but there are thousands posted and it does the same on mine:
http://i21.tinypic.com/2zyixkg.png
http://i23.tinypic.com/zumjxx.png
does that look minor to you?? no not when it happens constantly and you cant do anything without crap drawn all over. there are SOOOOO many huge bugs like this everywhere
and dont say its a hardware issue because its not. just started with leopard as it did for thousands of others. plus you can screenshot it which means its not a bad cable or coincidence
seriously people there are things,big things wrong and broken in leopard that couldve EASILY been fixed and caught if they werent in such a hurry to make a deadline so they didnt look like MS with vista. except now in my mind they look much worse because of the almost ridiculous bugs that are in it
My thoughts on what needs addressing
1. Airport: Can't connect to my home Airport network with WEP security;
2. Applecare-If there is a problem with Airport on Leopard, placing Applecare customers into a never ending telephone cue for Airport support is not good customer service. How about a press release that at least lets customers know that a patch is forthcoming? It would save everybody a lot of time and frustration. Witness the thousands of posts on Apple's support pages.
1. Airport: Can't connect to my home Airport network with WEP security;
2. Applecare-If there is a problem with Airport on Leopard, placing Applecare customers into a never ending telephone cue for Airport support is not good customer service. How about a press release that at least lets customers know that a patch is forthcoming? It would save everybody a lot of time and frustration. Witness the thousands of posts on Apple's support pages.
I'm personally not having any negative issues with Leopard, but I do agree it was rushed out the door. The fact that Apple was still working on it the weekend before the GM announcement says it all.
In any case, I think Apple needs to embrace the practice of seeding release candidates for a few weeks prior to shipping. Since they already do this for point releases (i.e. 10.4.11), I fail to understand why ADC wasn't given an opportunity to test the final or near-final builds of Leopard. Instead we were cut-off for nearly a month in a vain attempt to curb piracy.
Not Exactly
i have the same problem too. Only I didn't know it was a problem I thought everyone's Leopard had those invisible files showing. Though it did irk me as I never saw them in Panther or Leopard but I thought maybe it had something to do with X11 being installed?
Notice my Hard Drive is simply called "Untitled".
I don't plan on reinstalling just to get rid of those folders. However, could that mean my install didn't go well? It was a clean install, weird.
i have the same problem too. Only I didn't know it was a problem I thought everyone's Leopard had those invisible files showing. Though it did irk me as I never saw them in Panther or Leopard but I thought maybe it had something to do with X11 being installed?
Notice my Hard Drive is simply called "Untitled".
I don't plan on reinstalling just to get rid of those folders. However, could that mean my install didn't go well? It was a clean install, weird.
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my install don't show the hidden files or folders, all is fine there.
another issue i just ran into, is with the DVD player, it will play all except for 2 of my dvd's the dvd player say;s its skipping over the damaged area's and then stops playing. and the dvd player wont respond to any input other then its menu functions.
the dvd player in tiger plays all of my DVD's without fail. oh and BTW the 2 DVD's that leopard's DVD player reports as having damaged area's are new DVD's. they will start up ad go thru the legal stuff but once its past that part it say's its skipping past the damaged areas of the disk and goes into the DVD menu and wont respond.
i hope this is fixed
EDIT
i just played the 2 DVD's that DVD player had issues with in Front Row and it played them with no issues, VLC also played them with no issues, so its defiantly a bug with DVD player in leopard
After cruising this thread I realize that I might be the only person who is happy with Leopard. I think there are a few quirks here and there but I haven't run into any deal breakers. I'm not having any of the major problems that people are complaining about. Even Stacks is acceptable to me! I don't understand why some people hate stacks so much. I set mine to view as grid and it awesome. I also setup my storage drive to view the same way.
I love Spaces!
I'm wondering if most of you are having hardware specific problems? Seems most people who are having problems with Leopard are on iMacs. I'm running a MacPro 2.66 and couldn't be happier with Leopard. I didn't expect this to go as smooth as it did, so I installed over a copy of Tiger on a separate drive so I could easily go back. That was a week ago and I haven't booted back to Tiger since. Oh, and I didn't even do a clean install! Just upgraded right over Tiger.
I love Spaces!
The only major issue I had was with AEBS. The other day I lost connection and when I tried to reconnect it kept asking for my password. I wound up restarting my computer and the problem went away.
As for those posts from people who are ranting and raving about how much Leopard sucks, I suggest you go back to Tiger and spare us your misery. It's the price you pay to be an early adopter. No sane person with any computer experience would expect a first version OS to operate at 100% from day one. That's why I left a copy of Tiger to go back to. All I had to do was hold down the option key on start-up and choose which drive to boot off. One drive has Tiger, the other has Leopard. So far, I've not needed to go back to Tiger and I'm even thinking of erasing the Tiger disk to free up some space. Oh, and did I tell you? I really love Spaces! It's changed my whole work flow!
And yeah, my MacPro is running snappier! Even some of my everyday applications seem to be more stable. Time machine works great too! I've already used it a couple of times to grab some deleted files. Good job Apple!!
I love Spaces!
I'm wondering if most of you are having hardware specific problems? Seems most people who are having problems with Leopard are on iMacs. I'm running a MacPro 2.66 and couldn't be happier with Leopard. I didn't expect this to go as smooth as it did, so I installed over a copy of Tiger on a separate drive so I could easily go back. That was a week ago and I haven't booted back to Tiger since. Oh, and I didn't even do a clean install! Just upgraded right over Tiger.
I love Spaces!
The only major issue I had was with AEBS. The other day I lost connection and when I tried to reconnect it kept asking for my password. I wound up restarting my computer and the problem went away.
As for those posts from people who are ranting and raving about how much Leopard sucks, I suggest you go back to Tiger and spare us your misery. It's the price you pay to be an early adopter. No sane person with any computer experience would expect a first version OS to operate at 100% from day one. That's why I left a copy of Tiger to go back to. All I had to do was hold down the option key on start-up and choose which drive to boot off. One drive has Tiger, the other has Leopard. So far, I've not needed to go back to Tiger and I'm even thinking of erasing the Tiger disk to free up some space. Oh, and did I tell you? I really love Spaces! It's changed my whole work flow!
And yeah, my MacPro is running snappier! Even some of my everyday applications seem to be more stable. Time machine works great too! I've already used it a couple of times to grab some deleted files. Good job Apple!!
After cruising this thread I realize that I might be the only person who is happy with Leopard. I think there are a few quirks here and there but I haven't run into any deal breakers. I'm not having any of the major problems that people are complaining about. Even Stacks is acceptable to me! I don't understand why some people hate stacks so much. I set mine to view as grid and it awesome. I also setup my storage drive to view the same way.
I love Spaces!
I'm wondering if most of you are having hardware specific problems? Seems most people who are having problems with Leopard are on iMacs. I'm running a MacPro 2.66 and couldn't be happier with Leopard. I didn't expect this to go as smooth as it did, so I installed over a copy of Tiger on a separate drive so I could easily go back. That was a week ago and I haven't booted back to Tiger since. Oh, and I didn't even do a clean install! Just upgraded right over Tiger.
I love Spaces!
The only major issue I had was with AEBS. The other day I lost connection and when I tried to reconnect it kept asking for my password. I wound up restarting my computer and the problem went away.
As for those posts from people who are ranting and raving about how much Leopard sucks, I suggest you go back to Tiger and spare us your misery. It's the price you pay to be an early adopter. No sane person with any computer experience would expect a first version OS to operate at 100% from day one. That's why I left a copy of Tiger to go back to. All I had to do was hold down the option key on start-up and choose which drive to boot off. One drive has Tiger, the other has Leopard. So far, I've not needed to go back to Tiger and I'm even thinking of erasing the Tiger disk to free up some space. Oh, and did I tell you? I really love Spaces! It's changed my whole work flow!
And yeah, my MacPro is running snappier! Even some of my everyday applications seem to be more stable. Time machine works great too! I've already used it a couple of times to grab some deleted files. Good job Apple!!
there is very few people here that ever said it suck's, and some of the people already went back to tiger and wait till Leopards issues are fixed.
i am only pointing out issues, in no way shape or form did i ever say that Leopard sucks. i am rather happy with it. and glad its running like it is on my G4. and my issues are not hardware issues, i make sure that it can be done again and have a alternative way to do what i want to do ( just like with the DVD player issue i said about) wile Front Row and VLC has no issue.
i am only pointing out issues so that is can help give people a heads up or to see if they are having the same issues
This is sixth version, not the first.
I'm not having enormous issues, but I do have some - and I just can not see how this got thru a beta program - things such as the network tab in finder vanishing randomly, the complete beta status of Safari (it was brought to a complete halt by the British Airways website, and can't even render somepages at apple.com properly, all the while playing animated gif's at 1/5th the speed they should) - things that frankly, are just not up to the Apple standard.
Doug
Mine is a White 1.83Ghz CoreDuo with 2Gigs of RAM. The one I tested at our local Apple Store was a 2Ghz Core2Duo with 1Gig of RAM. Both were very choppy..
As people have been reporting, this choppiness seems to happen very randomly. As a matter of fact, one of my friends who's got the same Macbook as mine does not have any problem with animations at all, everything is silky smooth on his. I even tried to do a clean install but it still doesn't fix it.
Interesting. Must admit all I asked it to do was reset the permissions that Disk Utility wouldn't (as it was there only 2 in the end, but they were pretty important files); what version were you using and what were you asking of it?
Mine is DW 4.something and one of the apps migrated from my Tiger partition onto a Leopard clean install...
I remember when I first installed 10.4.x when it first came out - it was choppy back then on the Mac G5 I had; then with each release, it improved. Maybe 10.5.1 will see an improvement.
True; also, does he have software already for Vista? he has a copy for each operating system? he obviously has money to burn.
I've purchased 10.3 when was released, same for 10.4 - and *ALL* of them were buggy when released; then they stabilised. Like I said to my mate, at least with Apple, there will be an update 2-3 weeks after the release rather than waiting 12 months for the first service pack for Windows.
Regarding the flash problem people mention:
http://www.macfixit.com/article.php?story=20071101152707293
Interesting, if people read the article, it is those who have upgraded their Flash. Me? I've kept the flash that was included with Leopard - haven't experienced a single problem yet.