Apple Preparing for Mac OS X 10.5.1

[tribulation]

Sounds like hardware or driver issues, depending on the Mac.

its not a hardware problem. look @ support site and find all of the hundreds or thousands by now of graphic glitches bugs added. lots of problems on mac pros and imacs. they are so bad they make it unusable
with this many people having the same problem there is not a way that couldnt have caught the bugs before they released it. they are wway to major & common and 3 out of 4 mac friends have exact same problems

i think a huge problem was stupid making a deadline and having to meet it no matter what this time since they already delayed it. since Vista was delayed COULD NOT under any circumstances do the same after they talked so much bs about ms doing it. so they pushed this cr*p out the door totally unready and lacking even basic things that they showed off in demos
THERE IS NOT AN EXCUSE IN THE WORLD FOR THIS
this is NOT APPLES STYLE and it a joke and insult to us all
these arent just small bugs that a couple people might sometime get. these are HUGE bugs that make leopard 101% unusable. this is NOT A BETA PROGRAM. we bought version 1.0. that should work very good for a big company with 2 years worth of work that show very little progress in so many areas and even more disappointing is that they TOOK AWAY perfectly good things that couldve been untouched and made leopard SOOOOOOO much better. they took them away for no good reason & it sucks bad

 

[kaiwai]

The number one thing I hope they fix is the speed. Sure, I have an old 12" PB 1GHz, but with Tiger so snappy before, there is no reason why Leopard should be so sluggish (things like minimising genie effect, expose, dock magnification, etc that worked like silk before).

Second, improve the stacks nonsense so that they support a hold hierarichal menu sturcture and replace the look of the stack in the dock to the far more intuitive folder of old. Apple probably won't do the latter (even though it should) for stubbon reasons - it will be less easy to distinguish it's brand new big desktop feature stacks - and make it look too much like the dock folders of old (and therefore make people realise that it is a step back and not a new feature at all!)

Oh, but bug fixes first please. Photoshop Elements 2.0 will not run. Nor will iWeb '08.

I'm not too sure about Photoshop Elements, but iWeb '08 works for me, I have all the latest updates installed too - 2.0.2

 

[iJawn108]

how about on the server side are people having issues like this?

 

[BillyBobBongo]

.....these are HUGE bugs that make leopard 101% unusable. <snip>

I can't think what I did right/wrong, but for me Leopard is 100% usable. I've not experienced a single crash on my MacBook and all the programs that I use are functional also. The only problem I encountered was with Disk Utility, but I'm sure that'll be one of the first things that gets fixed.

My Airport connection has died once since installing Leopard, and that was after doing an 'Upgrade' rather than a fresh install. I erased everything and put in a clean install and it's been perfect ever since. The only other issue I have is when connecting to my Airdisk (I have to log in each time) but that's more of an annoyance than a bug if you ask me!

 

[milo]

Then obviously your friend is an idiot if he thinks that Windows Vista is any better; can't wait till he screams and whines. 10.5.1 is around the corner; everyone knows 'never expect perfection from a x.0 product' - that rule goes for all brands and all products.

What on earth is he doing? I've looked at porn, checked out youtube and a variety of other sites - not a single problem; what on earth is he doing to f*ck something up so completely? he sounds like a walking disaster.

So you're saying to me that we have this A-grade idiot who has moved from MacOS X to Windows Vista and claiming it to be 'just works'; sorry, he has some major issues then or majorly deluded, or simply a made up scenario to explain the issues you're having.

What is wrong with you? Are you completely incapable of making a point without calling other people idiots?

 

[ChrisA]

cool, probably the TM-airdisk thing will be sorted out, and maybe we'll get back the star wars hologram effect (even though we can already sorta get it...). Truth is I'm hoping that they'll sort out some of the interface sluggishnesses.

TM works on airdisk now. The problem is with airdisk. It is unreliable. I think Apple pulled the feature not because TM did not work but because it is not wise to use an unreliable disk for your backup device. They will need to fix the firmware inside the router. I hope the hardware engineers were smart enough to include a bunch of extra flash memory. Fixes to software almost always increase the size of the software. If the flash ram is nrealy full there will not be a fix.

 

[kaiwai]

What is wrong with you? Are you completely incapable of making a point without calling other people idiots?

I call them idiots because they firstly think that an operating system change will fix all the problems, and secondly, they assume that their problems are solely the domain of the operating system. Windows Vista will not fix the problems. He'll install it and find a whole new set of problems. I ran Windows Vista, and I can tell you as a *NIX battle axe (and ex-Amiga zealot) its pain is the equivalent of being kneed in the groin by a man with steel cap boots.

Sorry mate, when things don't work for me on my computer, I look in the mirror and ask, "what did I do wrong which cocked things up" - I am the first port of call when it comes to something going wrong. Then once I've done everything to eliminate myself from the blame equation, I then look outside of that.

 

[neolithicvirgo]

Whew

I really hope they add coverflow to the OS File Selection / Save dialogs... you can look at files in every other way and they still have aqua elements that don't look very leopard-esque.

Also, how about letting the user control the transparency of the top menu bar (/me craves 100%)

-Andrew

 

[madmax_2069]

I am fairly new to the Mac, so I don't have in-depth experience of the differences between Tiger and Leopard. My major gripe is with Front Row: while they significantly fixed the time it needed to read your music and video library, everything else (for my needs at least) seems to be worse. Gone is the nice effect that initiates FR. The UI imho is worse. And most importantly, there is no resume function for videos !
I hope they fix that in the first update.

Yes there is a resume function for videos in front row in Leopard. i just tried it and it asked my to resume play it start from beginning. my major gripe with FR is you cant tell it what folders you want to add to the video or music or other. and other gripe is that some videos that will play in QT wont play in FR (even if you put them in the movies folder.

what is the sources tab there for ( just for looks) cause it don't do anything

happens when you try to repair? my experience is that the whirly bar goes for quite some time, then it suddenly shows progress; give that a go, allow it to keep going, it'll eventually move forward.

i have let it sit there for about 45 minutes and it does nothing, i gave up on it. it makes me so mad just watching it i want to punch the screen in anger. but i cant do that to my Mac cause it is not its fault, its Apples for rushing Leopard out the door

 

[ChrisA]

How is using "move" a stupid mistake? Move should move a file. It shouldn't delete the original if the move fails and lose data. If this is true, it's a serious problem and needs to be fixed ASAP.

The problem is that the "move" routine gets an "I got it" message from the guy who writes stuff to disk, to the mover then goes the deletes the files. The problem is the "I got it" message was given when the data was only in a cache and not really on the disk. So the disk goes awy after he ssys he has it but before he physically writes it.

In the case in question the disk was in a file server not running mac OS X. One way to make a file server appear faster is to have it give out the "I got it" signal when the data are only in cache. But then if it crashes right after that you get the problem we are seeing.

 

[ckurowic]

Indeed

cool, probably the TM-airdisk thing will be sorted out, and maybe we'll get back the star wars hologram effect (even though we can already sorta get it...). Truth is I'm hoping that they'll sort out some of the interface sluggishnesses.

INDEED!!! I am really enjoying Leopard on my G5, however the interface sluggishness really ruins a lot of the experience.

 

[TheChemist]

What on earth is he doing? I've looked at porn, checked out youtube and a variety of other sites - not a single problem; what on earth is he doing to f*ck something up so completely? he sounds like a walking disaster.

A lot of people have had issues with flash not working after Leopard - either from an upgrade or a clean install.

I performed an Archive and Install and flash did not work. There is a plethora of pages regarding this issue on Apple Discussion. Are all those people walking disasters?

The solution involves removing an invalid reference to flash from within a Quicktime.plugin.plist file. That's a far cry from walking disaster.

 

[Alloye]

After reading much of this thread, I'm starting to think I have the only working copy of Leopard on the planet.

In any case, I think Leopard trumps Tiger by a wide margin. I've experienced zero issues with it and have only the following quibbles to offer:

1. Stacks: I would like to see an option for a menu-like (hierarchical) view and an easy way to make the folder icon stay on top.
   
2. Menu Bar: Transparency needs to be optional. It looks quite nice with some backgrounds and simply horrible with others.
   
3. UI: I would have preferred to see Aqua retired completely, but overall, I'm just glad brushed metal is dead!

Other than that, my Mac is now faster, more useful, and nicer to look at. And as a developer, I have great new tools and tons of new stuff under the hood to explore.

Good job, Apple!

 

[matt.shaver]

Leopard is the new System 7.5

I have used the Mac since System 4 and the most recent memory of all these bugs come from System 7.5, which for me was a waste of code!

All in all, I have went back to Tiger 10.4.10 on my MacBook Pro as there are many items Apple needs to fix. While some may say, "Oh these are version .0 bugs", I disagree. Remember, Apple has been working on this then decided to push it back. I have little sympathy for Apple who decided the iPhone was going to be their new crown jewel and some Mac users felt snubbed.

Now how do we feel? We have a half-baked OS where features are not fully implemented nor tested. There is so much eye candy that it's distracting and pulls a bit away from total functionality.

Overall, I'm disappointed with Apple and I trust their image will not tarnish due to this shoddy release.

Just my thought.

 

[plumbingandtech]

After reading much of this thread, I'm starting to think I have the only working copy of Leopard on the planet.

Nope. You don't.

But the rule of online forums is that this where the people with problems post about it for help or to blame apple cause they are evil because they put the iphone ahead of leopard by 4 months.

Squeaky wheels.

 

[72930]

Nope. You don't.

But the rule of online forums is that this where the people with problems post about it for help or to blame apple cause they are evil because they put the iphone ahead of leopard by 4 months.

Squeaky wheels.

My Leopard is not perfect, but great! 10.5.1 ftw, but its not like I'm desperate...

 

[MrCrowbar]

Inquisitor works on Leopard now

Many people have been asking for it. It works on Leopard now. All gail Safari on Leopard!

http://www.inquisitorx.com/safari/releasenotes.php

 

[72930]

Many people have been asking for it. It works on Leopard now. All gail Safari on Leopard!

http://www.inquisitorx.com/safari/releasenotes.php

Its been working for a while, and before the working version (with the worse-than-before-installer,) there was PlugSuit...looks like you've been missing out on the Inquisitor goodness for a while

 

[madmax_2069]

Many people have been asking for it. It works on Leopard now. All gail Safari on Leopard!

http://www.inquisitorx.com/safari/releasenotes.php

something like that should have been in safari for Leopard in the first place

After reading much of this thread, I'm starting to think I have the only working copy of Leopard on the planet.

i haven't had a single crash or issue ( besides Disk Utility nor repairing permissions) with Leopard on my Digital Audio 533, but i will point out the bugs that i do see. the dock does take its sweet ole time when you want to add something to it. but that can just be a minor bug

so far my DA has been running Leopard non stop for 7 - 8 days and nothing has crashed

 

[Project]

Just to throw in some more perspective and add to earlier posts, I have had no issues either after an erase & install.

 

[madmax_2069]

Just to throw in some more perspective and add to earlier posts, I have had no issues either after an erase & install.

i almost never upgrade a OS, cause it almost all the time spells disaster in the end.

after the numerous times that i have seen bad Os installs from a upgrade install cd (not counting updates from updater) in other OSes, i have since then always installed a clean OS. and it always results in a fast clean running OS

i cant wait to see what fixes 10.5.1 will bring, Bring on the update ( of corse when they are ready so it wont break more then it fixes)

i still cant wait for 10.4.11 to come out ( for my sower Mac's)

 

[pgwalsh]

I can't think what I did right/wrong, but for me Leopard is 100% usable. I've not experienced a single crash on my MacBook and all the programs that I use are functional also.

I'm on a Mac Pro dual core 3Ghz and everything worked fine on my upgrade as well. I have fewer issues than perviously. I guess I'm lucky.

I did the following for my upgrade.

1. Backed up Tiger on to external disk with Carbon Copy Cloner.
2. Erased my entire mirror raid and did a 0 write pass.
3. Installed Leopard as a clean install with everything.
4. Created my Admin account and loaded my wireless usb drivers.
5. Installed iLife 08 and updated the computer.
6. Used the migration assistant and migrated my user accounts, applications and files.

Had to reenter a couple application serial numbers. I also had to reinstall parallels and create a new floppy drive for my windows virtual machine. Other than that I've had no real issues, just a few minor ones.

 

[glennyboiwpg]

After reading much of this thread, I'm starting to think I have the only working copy of Leopard on the planet.

In any case, I think Leopard trumps Tiger by a wide margin. I've experienced zero issues with it and have only the following quibbles to offer:

1. Stacks: I would like to see an option for a menu-like (hierarchical) view and an easy way to make the folder icon stay on top.
   
2. Menu Bar: Transparency needs to be optional. It looks quite nice with some backgrounds and simply horrible with others.
   
3. UI: I would have preferred to see Aqua retired completely, but overall, I'm just glad brushed metal is dead!

Other than that, my Mac is now faster, more useful, and nicer to look at. And as a developer, I have great new tools and tons of new stuff under the hood to explore.

Good job, Apple!

Nope don't worry. I also have a 100% usable version of Leopard.

And like someone else said.. Not sure what I did right/wrong but I haven't had any problems, other then a few VERY minor little UI things that i'm sure will get fixed on 10.5.1.

 

[MonkeyClaw]

I have used the Mac since System 4 and the most recent memory of all these bugs come from System 7.5, which for me was a waste of code!

All in all, I have went back to Tiger 10.4.10 on my MacBook Pro as there are many items Apple needs to fix. While some may say, "Oh these are version .0 bugs", I disagree. Remember, Apple has been working on this then decided to push it back. I have little sympathy for Apple who decided the iPhone was going to be their new crown jewel and some Mac users felt snubbed.

Now how do we feel? We have a half-baked OS where features are not fully implemented nor tested. There is so much eye candy that it's distracting and pulls a bit away from total functionality.

Overall, I'm disappointed with Apple and I trust their image will not tarnish due to this shoddy release.

Just my thought.

I pretty much the exact opposite. I have yet to have any major bugs or anything, the visual changes are nice and the new features are fantastic, spaces, quick look, hell even coverflow as part of the new finder, all gold stars in my book.

 

[A is jump]

Just to put my two cents in... Leopard is working great for me on my home computer. no crashes, no graphics glitches, no sluggishness, no problems.

with that being said, I will not update my MBP (which is my main work computer) until the second or third update. I don't want to chance it.