Apple Preparing for Mac OS X 10.5.1

[Manic Mouse]

I did a straight upgrade and Leopard has been a painless and smooth transition for me. People here are blowing the bugs out of all proportion, it's a very nice OS that will only get better with updates. I've had no major issues and the minor ones are easily forgivable since Leopard has completely revolutionised OSX for me, with the new Finder, stacks, time machine and spaces all being utterly awesome.

 

[twoboxen]

Leopard has been pretty decent, except for the already mentioned Keyboard drops (MBP) and crappy stacks.

I have a question, though. Does anyone know how to fix this issue? Or is it a known bug? I have had the same thing happen with both Tiger and Leopard.

When I have an external mouse connected to my MBP and close the screen, moving the mouse will awaken it from sleep. Now, I understand why you'd want this if you have an external monitor hooked up, but I don't. I have to unplug the mouse before closing the lid or else the screen will come on and be hot as hell when i open it back up. This is a stupid scenario.

Don't EVER turn on the LCD (OLED, whatever) with the lid closed. and ONLY awaken the computer from sleep when EDID present on DVI-out.

Perhaps there is an easy fix. Anyone?

 

[50548]

So far I'm favorably impressed with Leopard. Not bad at all for a new OS.

But I have run into a few minor problems too.

As IEatApples pointed out, Disk Utility won't repair permissions.

And the Dock won't redraw properly after running a graphics intensive game. I keep my dock at the bottom, and after running Jinni Zeala, the Dock icons are covered with green blobs. Moving the Dock to the side and then back to the bottom clears it up.

The Leopard installer did not retain my mail SMTP settings. I tried to send an email and the send button was grayed-out. After a little searching around I discovered that my outgoing server settings were blank.

Of course, Finder no longer automatically remembers window settings - it applies one setting globally, unless you goto info and check a button to always use a setting for a particular window. This isn't really a bug, but a feature loss.

Time Machine could use a few more user options, such as choosing the frequency of backups, having a backup now button, etc. Again, it's not a bug but a feature nice to have.

Overall though I really like Leopard. Can't wait to see what's in this first revision.

So far, so good for me as well...no major hassles, and Disk Utility DOES repair permissions, although it takes a long time and shows no details...this needs to be fixed.

TM seems to be fine until now, although I recently got a 30sec freeze on my external HD, probably because of a bus error...

All in all, a VERY solid upgrade and everything is snappier, especially Safari, Finder and Mail...really good.

 

[Switched2aMac]

After reading much of this thread, I'm starting to think I have the only working copy of Leopard on the planet.

Me Too. I have had no problems and everything is working as expected. I do think there is a lot of work that needs to be done, it is not perfect in any way. Ex. iChat backgrounds do not work like they do in the Leopard demo. As for stacks, it took me a while to get used to them but they are growing on me. Would be a nice feature to disable it.

 

[morespce54]

This doesn't look good.

Wow... I was lucky enough to never encountered this before...

 

[marcfiszman]

Metaview

New Spaces preference in 10.5.1: Metaview
http://odelbee.com/2007/11/06/new-spaces-preference-in-1051-metaview/

 

[izzle22]

i almost never upgrade a OS, cause it almost all the time spells disaster in the end.

after the numerous times that i have seen bad Os installs from a upgrade install cd (not counting updates from updater) in other OSes, i have since then always installed a clean OS. and it always results in a fast clean running OS

i cant wait to see what fixes 10.5.1 will bring, Bring on the update ( of corse when they are ready so it wont break more then it fixes)

i still cant wait for 10.4.11 to come out ( for my sower Mac's)

I've never done a clean install. I always do upgrades and never had any problems(I've done upgrades on Panther, Tiger and now Leopard). The only problems I am seeing with Leopard are the same small ones the people who have done clean installs have.

 

[72930]

New Spaces preference in 10.5.1: Metaview
http://odelbee.com/2007/11/06/new-spaces-preference-in-1051-metaview/

I don't use Spaces, but I'm desperate to find out what that is!

 

[morespce54]

...Sometimes I see shared machines, sometimes I don't...

That's strange... I had this problem a few days ago. i connected to an on-line server and (except for the server window that automatically opens) there were nowhere I could see the server (not in the source pane of my wiindows and not on my desktop). Of course, before I notice that, I closed the server window thinking the server will show up in the source pane of my finder windows...

After quite sometime , I've figured I had to set the finder preference to show the "Computer" source in the source pane. Then, I could select the "computer" in the source pane and (only then) I could see the server in that window...

The server never appeared on the Desktop nor in my shared or any source pane.


btw, I'm talking about the "computer" source in the finder preferences, not "my sweet mac HD" source...

 

[morespce54]

Firstly, the idiot MOVED instead of COPY a file - first stupid mistake, second, read the following:

http://it.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=351141&cid=21248993

There are a tonne of variables which are left open to question; btw, I have a hard disk hooked up to my airport shared via smb, and no problems.

[sarcasm]
Oh yeah, your right!
"Move" should never be used. It's probably an old *nix command that has been replace by copy/delete for ages. I just can't figured out why they forgot to remove it from the system...
[/sarcasm]

 

[tribulation]

I did a straight upgrade and Leopard has been a painless and smooth transition for me. People here are blowing the bugs out of all proportion, it's a very nice OS that will only get better with updates. I've had no major issues and the minor ones are easily forgivable since Leopard has completely revolutionised OSX for me, with the new Finder, stacks, time machine and spaces all being utterly awesome.

not true. thats nice it works for you but it doesnt for many.
if you saw my screen and all of the crap that gets drawn on it like lines all over every window you would be complaining too. if you havent had the bugs that is fine but dont trivialize them unless you know what youre talking about

 

[IzzyJG99]

I reverted back to 10.4.10 after trying to install not once, but 20 times over the phone with Apple 10.5 after I had a major crash. First I upgraded 10.4.10 to 10.5 and everything was fine. I opened the hard drive icon and there were all sorts of strange files that I had never seen before bin// and 'kernal_guidance-Mach" and stuff like that. So then I did a clean wipe and installed 10.5. Same problem. The guy suggested I restore to 10.4.10. Great. Did it. Worked. Then upgraded 5 times. Each time it took me to a screen wanting my password and username. I'd type it in and it wouldn't take it. Repaired permissions. Repaired the disk. Nothing was working. Finally after literally 6 hours on the phone with them they decided I had a bad disc and would ship me out one. The way he was talking though I shouldn't expect it (He just about all but flat out said it) anytime soon because according to him 2.5 million Leapord users are experieicing this same problem and are wanting replacement discs. The product repair tech I also spoke to mentioned that since the 26th alone there has been at least a doubling of calls to the OS-X Applecare Office. He even mumbled as he took my information that the developers didn't do very good job at weeding out the bugs.

I am frankly furious. If this new disc does the same as the one I already have I am going to revert back to 10.4 until the discs that ship out are at least version 10.5.3 so all the bugs have been worked out with this failed installation process.

And this whole thing started after my first install of 10.5 crashed because iTunes 7.5 blew up. Keep in mind I had 1,500 songs in there. All of which were purchased from the iTunes Music Store. They were supposed to have been backed up by Time Machine, but guess what apparently time Machine only really backs up iTunes Music once a week!

I'm furious, people.

 

[jeremytehjerk]

wireless issues

os 10.5 is a pleasure to work with and all but flat out not finishing coding all the security options for wireless and just leaving the options there to check when the system doesn't know how to handle them (PEAP not supported for 802.1x though it is a checkbox option, and ive heard there are other similiar missing pieces with wireless under 10.5) is just sloppy and clearly should have been noticed up the chain of command somewhere before launching the product. i would have expected apple to be more open about this and giving the many colleges and other affected IT departments trying to contact them some aid in fixing this, but i guess hopefully this update will handle these problems.

 

[alpharuin]

Right now my MacBookPro is virtually unusable:

- Constant keyboard freezes
- Airport keeps dropping my connection
- Random freezing "please restart your computer" screens about 2-3 times a day

Leopard was obviously rushed in order to be released by the end of October. Hopefully 10.5.1 will be a stable like a retail version is suppose to be.

 

[bilbo--baggins]

People here are blowing the bugs out of all proportion, it's a very nice OS that will only get better with updates.

It took me 4 attempts to install Leopard - in the end the only way I could get the installer to work was to unplug my D-Link Bluetooth adapter and go out and buy a cheap USB mouse. Then finally installed ok. It's running pretty well now - but you can imagine someone who buys a mac because it 'just works' and who has problems installing could very easily feel that they aren't blowing the bugs out of all proportion.

With such major bluetooth incompatibility problems (I still have to have the D-link dongle plugged into 1 of those 3 precious USB ports on my G5 because it doesn't work via my powered hub - a hub that was rock solid and 100% reliable in all circumstances in Tiger) I for one would be very interested to find out if I can exchange my Leopard installer DVD for a newer version once they get these bugs sorted out.

 

[SthrnCmfrtr]

Well, unless Leopard crashes and forces a hard restart literally every five to ten minutes, then it's nowhere near as bad as 7.5.3

I'm not saying that you don't have legitimate issues with Leopard, but anyone who wants to make the "Worst OS Revision EVAH!" claim really needs to have worked in a design studio (or any kind of professional environment) trying to use 7.5.3 ...

IIRC, you couldn't even go back from 7.5.3 if you had certain types of NT boxes on your network that you needed to connect to (I'm pretty sure that we only upgradeded to 7.5.3 because it had a TCP/IP revision that was necessary for shared networking with an NT server).

I actually saw grown men and women literally weeping with frustration as they tried to hit deadlines using that disgraceful piece of cr*p. I memorably had to physically restrain our Design Manager from hurling his PM 7200 across the room when he discovered that although he'd saved a Quark document relatively recently before a crash, the crash had corrupted the document itself.

And that, Gil Amelio, is one of the reasons I'll never forget your time at Apple!

Cheers

Jim

I thought Spindler was the CEO when 7.5.3 came out...

 

[kaiwai]

Yes there is a resume function for videos in front row in Leopard. i just tried it and it asked my to resume play it start from beginning. my major gripe with FR is you cant tell it what folders you want to add to the video or music or other. and other gripe is that some videos that will play in QT wont play in FR (even if you put them in the movies folder.

what is the sources tab there for ( just for looks) cause it don't do anything



i have let it sit there for about 45 minutes and it does nothing, i gave up on it. it makes me so mad just watching it i want to punch the screen in anger. but i cant do that to my Mac cause it is not its fault, its Apples for rushing Leopard out the door

Which brings up an important question - what the h*ll were the beta testers doing? Why weren't there voices of discontent during the beta testing phase to the same degree there was with Windows Vista? I wonder whether there was actually a beta testing phase to begin with!

 

[duyvan82]

I just wish they updated the graphic drivers for us GMA users and fix that shared thing on the sidebar. Animations have been choppy for me and other people on Mac equipped with GMA (I even tried those Macbooks at Apple store, same issue). As for the shared thing, it just can't stop appearing and disappearing randomly and unexpectedly

 

[kaiwai]

A lot of people have had issues with flash not working after Leopard - either from an upgrade or a clean install.

I performed an Archive and Install and flash did not work. There is a plethora of pages regarding this issue on Apple Discussion. Are all those people walking disasters?

The solution involves removing an invalid reference to flash from within a Quicktime.plugin.plist file. That's a far cry from walking disaster.

I was referring to your friend as a 'walking disaster' not the operating system.

 

[kaiwai]

something like that should have been in safari for Leopard in the first place

True, which brings me to ask; why did they spend thousands changing the firewall, and writing their own when had they simply approached this guy, purchased it off him, they would have added a killer feature to Safari which would have had a "f*cking awesome" factor.

 

[kaiwai]

I just wish they updated the graphic drivers for us GMA users and fix that shared thing on the sidebar. Animations have been choppy for me and other people on Mac equipped with GMA (I even tried those Macbooks at Apple store, same issue). As for the shared thing, it just can't stop appearing and disappearing randomly and unexpectedly

Just out of curiosity, what type of process/specifications is teh Macbook; I'm running a Black Macbook, and haven't noticed a lack of 'teh snappy' - mind you, I have 2gigs of memory, maybe thats whats fixed it up?

 

[ckurowic]

I'm a little irritated some folks on here are down on those who are having problems. Oh, it must have been something they did, because Apple always puts out total gold...um no. Sorry. I love Apple, but sometimes they do put out half baked stuff, and while I think Leopard is for sure a few steps above half baked, it does have many issues that need to be worked out. I have used Macs since age 7, system 6, I know what I am doing. I have had the following issues:

1) UI sluggishness (as reported by MANY users, not just PPC users, so don't tell me my computer is just too old, please).
2) Shared computers decide when they want to work, not when I want them to
3) A very minor complaint...its harder to tell which Apps are open as opposed to Tiger because instead of a high-contrast black triangle under the icon we now have a translucent orb.

The things I LOVE about Leopard:
1) My G5 seems speedier, but the UI sluggishness ruins some of the experience
2) The Finder is easier to use, at least to me
3) The internet seems to be faster, not sure why
4) Dashboard is much faster, at least 2x

The UI sluggishness has nothing to do with the GMA chipset. I'm running a Radeon 9600 Pro with 256MB of video RAM and its sluggish. Tiger was silky. I also have 4GB of RAM.

 

[QuarterSwede]

I'm a little irritated some folks on here are down on those who are having problems.

1) UI sluggishness (as reported by MANY users, not just PPC users, so don't tell me my computer is just too old, please).

It's definitely not right for people to assume that since their install is perfect that Leopard runs well for others. I have a 1.5GHz 12" PB w/1.25GB RAM and I don't experience UI slowdowns at all. I definitely did after I did an Upgrade but once I decided to do an Erase & Install everything's been beautifully smooth. BUT, I understand that other may have problems. I hope they address your issues.

 

[ckurowic]

It's definitely not right for people to assume that since their install is perfect that Leopard runs well for others. I have a 1.5GHz 12" PB w/1.25GB RAM and I don't experience UI slowdowns at all. I definitely did after I did an Upgrade but once I decided to do an Erase & Install everything's beautifully smooth. BUT, I understand that other may have problems. I hope they address your issues.

I appreciate it. Its very odd. I did an erase and install after I noticed coverflow wasn't an option. I have a Mac mini that runs Leopard faster than my G5. Odd indeed.

 

[72930]

- Random freezing "please restart your computer" screens about 2-3 times a day

Leopard was obviously rushed in order to be released by the end of October. Hopefully 10.5.1 will be a stable like a retail version is suppose to be.

Those are Kernal Panics and quite possibly indicate a hardware issue...