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They're the same panel and the same monitor. Dell actually made the 3008 models worse than the 3007 ones in order to shave a few more bucks off the price.
Dell's been known to play "panel roulette" with their suppliers as well and not all the panels supplied by lg (previously lg.philips iirc) are created equal... Apple seems to get the better matrices rolled off the line where manufacturers like Dell get the mid-level ones or whatever is left over after the A level ones are supplied to companies willing to spend the extra bucks to ensure the panel is decent.

I bought my 30" ACD in 2008 along my Mac Pro and I have no regrets... the panel arrived perfect. It was expensive and there was probably better monitors out there but it maintains great color. I've read the Dells can be problematic to calibrate too--Apple's are no problem and they come pretty close even out of the box. Unless you want to spend more and get an Eizo or NEC, the Apple 30" is still pretty good middle ground there for an IPS display... I may buy another if Apple ever drops the price on the older model if/when he new ones come out.
 
Dell's been known to play "panel roulette" with their suppliers as well and not all the panels supplied by lg (previously lg.philips iirc) are created equal... Apple seems to get the better matrices rolled off the line where manufacturers like Dell get the mid-level ones or whatever is left over after the A level ones are supplied to companies willing to spend the extra bucks to ensure the panel is decent.

I bought my 30" ACD in 2008 along my Mac Pro and I have no regrets... the panel arrived perfect. It was expensive and there was probably better monitors out there but it maintains great color. I've read the Dells can be problematic to calibrate too--Apple's are no problem and they come pretty close even out of the box. Unless you want to spend more and get an Eizo or NEC, the Apple 30" is still pretty good middle ground there for an IPS display... I may buy another if Apple ever drops the price on the older model if/when he new ones come out.
Yeah, forget calibrating the Dell 3007. Mine has such insanely bright reds it almost looks flourescent, twice as strong as greens/blues.

Never used the ACD 30" and seeing as it appears to be approaching EOL, I probably never will. I was always curious as to why it's so thick, though. Given Apple's obsession with thinness it seems strange that they'd make a monitor that's thicker than everything else on the market. On the iMac they cram an entire computer into less space than the ACD has on its back.
 
Dell's been known to play "panel roulette" with their suppliers as well and not all the panels supplied by lg (previously lg.philips iirc) are created equal... Apple seems to get the better matrices rolled off the line where manufacturers like Dell get the mid-level ones or whatever is left over after the A level ones are supplied to companies willing to spend the extra bucks to ensure the panel is decent.
Absolutely. LG Display (formerly LG.Philips LCD), like all manufacturers, uses lot ratings, and Apple only buys what LG labels AA grade (each manufacturer uses a slightly different system), which costs more throughout the product cycle. Consumer monitors almost always use an economical blend of grades, which have various quirks and calibration issues that most customers will never notice or be bothered by. Sometimes it's obvious, though--Samsung, for example, is famous for using a mix of panel suppliers on their cheap monitors (supplied by themselves, AUO, and/or Chi Mei) that do noticeably affect quality, and it's completely luck of the draw.

You really do get what you pay for. There's a reason you can buy 24" monitors at $250, $400, $800, $1100, and $1500. You can get really lucky at the cheap end, but you can also be really unlucky. That's why it's always funny to see midrange products like Apple attacked from both sides--consumers think it's an expensive monitor that doesn't offer anything but looks and true professionals think it's a cheap monitor that gets the job done. Expectations from each change considerably.
I bought my 30" ACD in 2008 along my Mac Pro and I have no regrets... the panel arrived perfect. It was expensive and there was probably better monitors out there but it maintains great color.
And you should have no regrets. In 2008, if you could afford it, the Apple would be a no-brainer. Eizo didn't have a 30" until late 2008 or early 2009 (the 301W), and NEC still doesn't as far as I know.
Unless you want to spend more and get an Eizo or NEC, the Apple 30" is still pretty good middle ground there for an IPS display
The Apple would be a pretty good middle ground at $1299-1399, where its build quality would compensate for its slight underperformance compared to the WFP-HC. But as it stands, the good 30" Dell is almost 25% cheaper, has a better warranty, and I've heard no complaints from professional customers whatsoever (which can't be said for the rest of the WFP line). The U2711 is even better and even cheaper, because LG is being very careful right now about the panels it releases after all the issues. I expect the U2711's overall quality to decline, particularly if/when Apple announces a new display and Dell rushes to cut the price, but right now, it's the best-performing midrange large-format display out there. Unless you can get a good discount on the Apple, now is just not the time to buy one (unless you have absolutely no choice and can't afford an Eizo).

It's a perfectly respectable, mid-priced monitor, but it's reached the point of withering on the vine. I suspect Apple wants to save the price cut for wow factor with the new model, rather than squeeze a handful more sales out of the old one.
 
Wtf

this is b.s... stat comparison: top line imac -- bottom line mac pro

iMac -- 2.66 quad-core i5----check
iMac -- 4gb ram--------------nope(3gb)
iMac -- 1tb hd----------------nope(640gb)
iMac -- ATI hd 4850----------nope(Nvidia gt120)
iMac -- 2560 x 1440 res-----nope(no screen)
iMac -- $2,000----------------$2,500

the apple store has been lopsided like this for the past 190 days... and so the wait continues.
even the june wwdc is focused around apps for the iphone or itampon. cant f***ing believe it.
 
Interesting. I wonder why they don't market it more prominently. It's been out for over a year and I've never seen it, though in fairness NEC isn't one of our clients, so I have less access to their products.

They market them well enough, most specialist stores carry them here and they are well known to those who need pro displays. There isnt much reason to buy one over a cheaper Apple, Dell, HP, LG or Samsung unless you need higher quality.
 
They market them well enough, most specialist stores carry them here and they are well known to those who need pro displays.
They really don't. NEC heavily markets its 21" and 24" models, but none of their professional literature seems to mention the 3090WQ--it doesn't even appear in their 2009 product brochure. It has not appeared prominently in trade journals and has no professional-level reviews.

Contrast this with Eizo or the keystone models of the NEC line, which are covered with some regularity. I have never seen the model in question on shelf at any "specialty store" nor on the desk of any professionals, nor, as I said, has it crossed my path, which is highly unusual given my specialty.

It is by all appearances a rather stealth participant into the 30" market, where Eizo, and Lacie are the mainstays of the high end, with Apple and Dell in the midrange, and a HP and LG at the low end. This probably has to do with it being unveiled at Macworld 2008 but not available on the market until almost a year later.

That it is easily found when searching the NEC line does not mean it is well-marketed.
 
They really don't. NEC heavily markets its 21" and 24" models, but none of their professional literature seems to mention the 3090WQ--it doesn't even appear in their 2009 product brochure. It has not appeared prominently in trade journals and has no professional-level reviews.

Contrast this with Eizo or the keystone models of the NEC line, which are covered with some regularity. I have never seen the model in question on shelf at any "specialty store" nor on the desk of any professionals, nor, as I said, has it crossed my path, which is highly unusual given my specialty.

It is by all appearances a rather stealth participant into the 30" market, where Eizo, and Lacie are the mainstays of the high end, with Apple and Dell in the midrange, and a HP and LG at the low end. This probably has to do with it being unveiled at Macworld 2008 but not available on the market until almost a year later.

That it is easily found when searching the NEC line does not mean it is well-marketed.

According to this review the 3090wqxi is a good older model now available at reduced pricing.
 
According to this review the 3090wqxi is a good older model now available at reduced pricing.


I wonder if BY JUNE still is in play? I hear absolutely NOTHING about the Mac Pro. It seems as if no one is interested, including Apple. I wish the person who floated this rumor would update it. :)
 
I wonder if BY JUNE still is in play? I hear absolutely NOTHING about the Mac Pro. It seems as if no one is interested, including Apple. I wish the person who floated this rumor would update it. :)

Here's how I see it: I seriously expect to see an update next Tuesday or on the 18th of May. If we don't hear anything by then, it's going to be WWDC.

I don't believe any of the articles pointing to a September or October release. The technology is here, right now, ready to go. There is no way Apple will wait that long to update.

Now, will we get some leaked information just before the update? Absolutely not. Here are some reasons:

A. The Mac Pro just isn't as popular as the MBP, iPad, or iPhone. Less interest means less of a chance of somebody having inside information.

B. Stores such as Best Buy don't actually stock the Mac Pro in their physical stores (at least at my locations). Because the Mac Pro is an online only item, some employee isn't going to see vacant inventory slots on the computer, because they don't ship the Mac Pro to stores. This is something we saw with the MBP, but probably won't with the MP.

C. This one is more of a guess, but, after the recent iPhone "scandal", I'd be willing to bet that employees at Apple received a few warnings. This means we are definitely not getting any leaked photos, information, etc. from inside sources.

I'd be willing to bet that within the next month, the Apple store will go down early one Tuesday morning and we will have our updated Mac Pros. Their will be no/not much advance warning. Minutes later, the MacRumors message boards will be filled with potential buyers crying about how the updated Mac Pros lack quality hardware, are way too expensive, and that the wait wasn't worth it. ;)
 
How much do you guys think the new 27 ACD will cost? Im looking for a new display (24 ACD or DELL U2711) and maybe Ill wait to see the new 27 ACD, but I dont want to wait two months to have it and then see its still glossy or its price is too high.

Should I just buy the 24 ACD or the Dell and forget the new cinema display? It freaks me out its possible price...
 
How much do you guys think the new 27 ACD will cost? Im looking for a new display (24 ACD or DELL U2711) and maybe Ill wait to see the new 27 ACD, but I dont want to wait two months to have it and then see its still glossy or its price is too high.

Should I just buy the 24 ACD or the Dell and forget the new cinema display? It freaks me out its possible price...

One thing is for sure. It will be OVERPRICED. :)
 
One thing is for sure. It will be OVERPRICED. :)
Name one Apple LCD monitor that even approaches the high end of monitor pricing.

Apple doesn't sell consumer monitor hardware, but neither do they engineer to the true high end of professional displays. Apple monitors are decidedly mid-priced and midrange professional. If you don't need those features or that performance, buy a consumer monitor and save some money.

In other news, for those looking for a large-format monitor, NEC threw its hat in the ring yesterday:

http://www.necdisplay.com/NewsAndMe...srelease=db6395fd-e488-4d52-815c-742634c5ceae

This is NEC's "cheap" line of monitors, so it should give some hints at Apple's pricing for a similar product. 27" IPS, $1399.

More support for an Apple offering in this size in the $1299 range.
 
Well, it's May 17th and June is coming right up. I sure wish whoever posted the
original story would chime in. :)
 
Dell

I had 2 30'Dell 3008. First one had dead pixels after about 6 months. Replacement was broken after 5 hours of use (see attached). Both of them had an irregular color tint over the whole of the display, especially visible if you worked on a Word document. more red in the middle and a bit more green to the right, not to be changed with calibration, which was urgently needed right out of the box. To make things worse for the replacement for the first monitopr (which was factory new) was a refurbished one...
Now contemplating to wait 2 weeks until WWDC and to buy ideally a 27 inch Apple, otherwise the old 30', whioch is probably still better in quality than the Dell. Have to see how lab ops plays along though, rule is replacements are only made with the same item...
 

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I had 2 30'Dell 3008. First one had dead pixels after about 6 months. Second one came was broken after 5 hours of use. Both of them had an irregular color tint over the whole of the display, especially visible if you worked on a Word document. more red in the middle and a bit more green to the right, not to be changed with calibration, which was urgently needed right out of the box. To make things worse for the replacement for the first monitopr (which was factory new) was a refurbished one...
Now contemplating to wait 2 weeks until WWDC and to buy ideally a 27 inch Apple, otherwise the old 30', whioch is probably still better in quality than the Dell. Have to see how lab ops plays along though, rule is replacements are only made with the same item...

That's the risk you run with Dell. It's a roulette of what you'll get panel wise. Many people I know just want consistency in their tech. G-Tech puts only Hitachi drives in their cases, I won't have to guess whether it's a Samsung, Seagate, or WD.

Apple takes panels from two manufactures as far as I recall, and they are going to be IPS. Same with NEC and Eizo (my not be IPS, but every model will have the same panel tech.)

I personally still hold the 30" ACD and 23" ACD in high regards. I'd opt for one of them in a heartbeat.
 
That's the risk you run with Dell. It's a roulette of what you'll get panel wise. Many people I know just want consistency in their tech. G-Tech puts only Hitachi drives in their cases, I won't have to guess whether it's a Samsung, Seagate, or WD.

Apple takes panels from two manufactures as far as I recall, and they are going to be IPS. Same with NEC and Eizo (my not be IPS, but every model will have the same panel tech.)

I personally still hold the 30" ACD and 23" ACD in high regards. I'd opt for one of them in a heartbeat.

There is only one manufacturer of IPS panels. While Dell's quality control has always been a lacking on displays, Apple appear to be no better now. It probably isn't feasible to have the kind of quality control where no bad displays go out, or rather it is cheaper to just exchange on any warranted complaint without fuss as they all do, and with the volume someone like Dell do I guess you will always get a lot of bad stories.
 
There is only one manufacturer of IPS panels. While Dell's quality control has always been a lacking on displays, Apple appear to be no better now. It probably isn't feasible to have the kind of quality control where no bad displays go out, or rather it is cheaper to just exchange on any warranted complaint without fuss as they all do, and with the volume someone like Dell do I guess you will always get a lot of bad stories.

Don't get me wrong, I was mentioning the use of the panels. I agree about Dell's volume, which may be their reason for putting a mixed lot of panels in their monitor . . . PVA and IPS. As in, the 3008 is one model of monitor that may have either a PVA or IPS panel in it. So a user buying two may wind up with one of each.

Most of the other high end manufacturers will use PVA across the line, or IPS across the line.

I agree with the quality control issues that many are having. Apple IMHO shouldn't have as many QC issues as others. But as they grow in marketshare, I see it being a bigger issue.
 
Don't get me wrong, I was mentioning the use of the panels. I agree about Dell's volume, which may be their reason for putting a mixed lot of panels in their monitor . . . PVA and IPS. As in, the 3008 is one model of monitor that may have either a PVA or IPS panel in it. So a user buying two may wind up with one of each.

Most of the other high end manufacturers will use PVA across the line, or IPS across the line.

I agree with the quality control issues that many are having. Apple IMHO shouldn't have as many QC issues as others. But as they grow in marketshare, I see it being a bigger issue.

Thankfully "panel lotteries" are a thing of the past now, Dell and HP were both guilty of it, but it was only on a few models. I dread to think what the reaction would be if Apple did it.
 
Thankfully "panel lotteries" are a thing of the past now, Dell and HP were both guilty of it, but it was only on a few models. I dread to think what the reaction would be if Apple did it.

Good to know about that. i knew that it was something they did not too long ago, and it was on my list of cons for buying a Dell. When I do FINALLY get to pick up my Mac Pro, I'll take a stronger look at the Dell monitors.
 
Is ViewSonic in the game?

Hi,

Clearly I'm not up on the specs of Apple and competing monitors being discussed, but I'm curious what you all think of the new ViewSonic VX2739WM 27-Inch 1920x1080 Full HD Monitor. I see the resolution is lower, and guess it's not an appropriate solution for high-end graphics editing . . . but since I just ordered one, I'd like to know it's strengths/shortcomings . . . the price is about 1/3 of what is being tossed around here.
 
Hi,

Clearly I'm not up on the specs of Apple and competing monitors being discussed, but I'm curious what you all think of the new ViewSonic VX2739WM 27-Inch 1920x1080 Full HD Monitor. I see the resolution is lower, and guess it's not an appropriate solution for high-end graphics editing . . . but since I just ordered one, I'd like to know it's strengths/shortcomings . . . the price is about 1/3 of what is being tossed around here.

It's strengths are it uses a decent TN panel and it's size. Weaknesses are it is a TN panel rather than IPS (like Apple use and you will find in higher end displays). Limited otions to correct the colour of the display and such. You didn't say what you are using it for though, if it isn't graphics then I'm sure it'll be fine, if it is you may want to reconsider and get something like the Dell U2410.
 
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