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Apple Prepping for Notebook Refresh?
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So you want the same thing but with an equal and in many ways inferior keyboard?
It's missing those as well. And let's not forget that the keyboard on the mockup is backwards.
I'm sorry, but I can't see why the MBP should have a Blueray drive, not unless the Mac Pro gets one as a BTO in the near future. Unless of course Apple defies me once the coming release does have one, at that point you can burn me on a pyre and ban me for life from MR.
I'm sorry, but I can't see why the MBP should have a Blueray drive, not unless the Mac Pro gets one as a BTO in the near future. Unless of course Apple defies me once the coming release does have one, at that point you can burn me on a pyre and ban me for life from MR.
I think out of all the Mac hardware, the Mac pro will get Blu-ray first.
The aluminium design is fine but I guess they could also add a magnetic latch, user-replaceable hard drive and a black-frame around the display (like the iMac) too.
That sounds about right! I've only had my MacBook up for about 20 minutes and the CPU is already idling at 60c and the enclosure base is at 37c!
These things get TOO hot!
Thats about right too. My HP was $500 less than my MacBook. it came with twice the memory (but now you'll get 3GB versus 2GB), dedicated graphics, ExpressCard, HDMI, TV tuner, etc.
When I first got my MacBook almost a year and a half ago, I told people "I'll never go back". Even made a few sales for Apple thanks to random people coming up to me during my "honeymoon period" with my Mac. But now? Apple needs to bump it up to DVD writer + dedicated graphics in the low end model for me to even consider buying another MacBook. I'll never consider a MacBook Pro.
Hah, it would be nice to see Apple do something like that. Especially if it cuts down the heat on the system too!
100 days in and not a single restart? So you're still running 10.5.2 and missed out on a boatload of OS updates that were pretty important?
You really should run software update
If you're having random shutdowns and restarts on any computer, Mac or PC, then your system had severe hardware issues. That is not a normal fact of every day Windows use, that is a severe problem with your hardware that needs to be checked out. I've been using Windows for even longer than I built my own PCs and the only time I ever saw problems like that was when I had failing hardware.
Also, Windows slowing down and programs slowing down is completely untrue. I've had my HP for nearly as long as I've had my Mac now and I've had this Vista install going since SP1 was released. It's faster now than it was then, and its faster now than it was with a fresh install of XP when I first received the hardware. Software besides Windows runs faster too. My games run and play faster, things that are CPU intensive (like encoding video) outperform the MacBook (2.16GHz Napa on the MacBook versus 2GHz Santa Rosa on the HP).
As long as you run ccleaner and defrag every so often, Windows will stay just as fast as the day it was installed. Much the same way you have to run Onyx every so often to keep OS X up and running quick.
I also haven't had XP or Vista lock up on that machine the entire 9 months I've owned it. While BOTH of the Macs I've had have randomly locked up in different ways that I can never repeat. Funny enough, XP and Vista on both MacBooks has been rock solid with no freezing of any kind, it only happens in OS X.
Well, it sounds like you had hardware problems. My MacBook doesn't compare to my HP at all. I can do "important work things" on my HP, then take it and hook it up to my HDTV with an HDMI cable and watch blu-ray movies or TV shows I recorded while I was away the night before. I can hook up a controller and play all of the same games I would if I had a current console.
My Mac? Well, iTunes runs better so I suppose its better at syncing my iPods and iPhone.
Well, the design is certainly better. My MacBook as I type this is idling at 60c. My HP C2D peaks at 61-62c under extreme load like video encoding or playing a multi-threaded game.
Thats what I did
Well, mine doesn't trump the MBP, but everything worked out perfectly for me and that was nearly a year ago. Thats due to OS X's power optimization and the fact that Macs generally have higher capacity batteries than PCs.
My HP with a GeForce gets the same battery life as the same system with an X3100.
Thats actually not true at all. Theres a long history behind it, but I'll spare you the details. A modern PC with a modern dedicated GPU will essentially beat the pants off of any dedicated DVD player. Thats why theres hundreds of thousands of people who are into the whole "HTPC" thing. Granted those Oppo upscaling DVD players are pretty good, any notebook with dedicated graphics from the last 2 generations and HDMI output will outperform it with Vista and hardware acceleration turned on.
Well, I thought it was common sense for people to take compressed air and blow out their ports and vents and such every few days. I know I do.
And like I said earlier, my MacBook is idling at 60c right now while my HP peaks at 61-62c under load.
You don't know Apple's history too well, do you? There were massive failures with the G3 and G4 iBook motherboards due to design flaws, heat, etc. But Apple never acknowledged them. It took certain foreign governments getting involved before Apple would repair those systems, and ONLY in those countries. So if you live there and have a dead G3 or G4 iBook, you can get it fixed. Live in the US? Out of luck.
Let's not forget how Apple likes to weasel its way out of honoring warranty repairs for various products too. Have a dent in your MBP? Oh thats user caused damage, your entire warranty is void.
Despite all of this, the Apple fans keep on buying products and muttering to themselves that they're doing it for the "superior OS".
I think a lot use them because they're conditioned to believe that if you're into photography or film that you have to use a Mac regardless.
I know that a lot of people still say that Macs are better for photography. But how? The first thing I learned when I got a Mac was that editing pictures on OS X was exactly the same as Windows. iPhoto wasn't any better than the free Photosmart Essentials software you can get from HP, or Picassa from Google.
Tell that to the thousands of people at this very forum that complain about the sharp edges on the MacBook cutting into their wrists.
How would it cost Apple money when standard tray loading DVD drives generally run not even $10 to major OEM manufacturers and those thin 9mm high slot loaders are essentially custom made for Apple and a couple of other Windows PCs?
It also saves Apple money if one dies. Look at the difference in how Apple and HP handle dead optical drives. With HP you call them and they send you a new one in a box. You loosen a screw, swap the drives, tighten the screw, and you're done. Not even a 2 minute procedure. With Apple, you have to send the ENTIRE computer in (costing them more on shipping), then someone at the repair center has to rip the computer apart (labor), swap the drive (more expensive drive to begin with), and then ship the computer back to the user (again, more expensive shipping).
If my first MacBook had a user replaceable drive, I wouldn't have had to send it into Flextronics (Apple's contracted MacBook repair facility). They wouldn't have botched the repair MULTIPLE times, causing me to be without a functioning MacBook for three weeks, and it wouldn't have led me to switch back to Windows and realize what a raw deal I got.
It also wouldn't have cost Apple so much money in terms of time of customer service dealing with me and my case, shipping back and forth, labor costs, etc. A user replaceable drive would have been a simple small package shipment and not even 2 minutes of my time swapping the drive out.
Not to mention the upgradeability. I can put an internal blu-ray drive in my HP! Or how about one of those rare (yet still not as expensive as a replacement SuperDrive) 20x notebook DVD writers?
How can you not? How can it not bother you that your exterior case can easily push 40c and above, while your processor will idle at least 20c, on average, above what it idles in a normal PC?
Now you're just lying to yourself. No offense. But I can get a Gateway with equivalent specs for half the cost of the entry-level MacBook Pro.
For around $1,000 you can take a small hit on CPU but get graphics that outperform the MacBook Pro.
For $1,300 you see a variety of notebooks with the same processor and GeForce 8800M GTS.
For the cost of the entry-level MacBook Pro you see notebooks with dual GPUs running in SLI.
Overall performance isn't measured purely by CPU speed. Hence the reason a $2,500 MacBook Pro canNOT play blu-ray discs (legitimately or otherwise, lacks HDCP) while a $599 HP dv5z can thanks to its IGP.
I guarantee you, you are not as fast with a USB cable as you are with a card reader. I just timed myself, without rushing, and it literally took 6 seconds for me to open the door, pop the card out, close the door, and slide the card into the reader.
After what I just said, how would a user replaceable drive be a weak point in the design? You don't have to risk your system being sent in and being without it for weeks at a time thanks to incompetent technicians (we all know Apple chose the lowest bidders for their repair centers), plus you can upgrade it to your hearts content.
Anyway, back on topic.
I would like to see an aluminum wedge MacBook that has a proper cooling system. The aluminum needs to be strong like in the MBA though, not cheap and flimsy and weak like the MBP.
ANd, again, dedicated graphics!
It could have the strongest and best looking case ever, and come with a Core 2 Quad/Extreme, 500GB, and 4GB of RAM standard but I won't buy it unless it has dedicated graphics.
If you'd take the time to read the warrantee agreement that you signed, you'd notice that case damage isn't covered. Your warrantee isn't necessarily void, they just won't pay for the dents made by you dropping your computer.
I wonder if Apple will work out a deal with AT&T to offer mobile broadband built-in on new laptops? Dell already has an option for 3 different mobile providers.
Please use the official "BD" acronym, don't invent a new one.
Note the logo:
It's a stylized "BD".
If I need to use sex to get the point across, look at the BD Babes:
(note the "BD" logo right under the boobs)
SLI for $2000, where?
And does it include the Genius Bar?
Not knocking you, MOSX because you do make sense, but a lot of posters seem to forget that other things come in the price.
The real difference is about $500 between comparable PCs and Macs.
And does it include the Genius Bar?
Not knocking you, MOSX because you do make sense, but a lot of posters seem to forget that other things come in the price.
The real difference is about $500 between comparable PCs and Macs.
^ Right, and since when was the genius bar actually convenient?
Let's say I buy a graphics card for a desktop from BFG. BFG is a company who makes nvidia cards.
I can call them and get a real person in the US. They don't charge me extra to call them like apple does.
Their warranty is lifetime, so I don't pay for stupid extended warranties which are a scam anyway.
But if you want to get support from apple, you have to make an appointment and wait in line. And then you have to deal with "genius" bar people who really know absolutely nothing and can't help you fix your problem.
Oh and did I mention how flextronics sucks a big one?
Let's say I buy a graphics card for a desktop from BFG. BFG is a company who makes nvidia cards.
I can call them and get a real person in the US. They don't charge me extra to call them like apple does.
Their warranty is lifetime, so I don't pay for stupid extended warranties which are a scam anyway.
But if you want to get support from apple, you have to make an appointment and wait in line. And then you have to deal with "genius" bar people who really know absolutely nothing and can't help you fix your problem.
Oh and did I mention how flextronics sucks a big one?
MOSX
Dedicated dvd players out perform laptop PC's period, stop lying to your self and get with the program.
Timing your self means you have no life, I mean that's just sad.
And no for the final time the heat is not an issue. Yes it is for you get over it.
Blowing compressed air threw a vent doesn't clean of the dust that is accumulated on the fans them selves.
I know Apple history better than you. It was an GPU problem not an heat issue. And Apple did acknowledge they started a program for it.
While on the subject if your such a fan of dedicated graphics why doesn't NVIDIA come forward and say they have a problem.
That has nothing to do with Apple or NVIDIA it has to do with how companies work. It toke MS long enough to acknowledge the 360 hat a problem.
As for professionals using a MBP because their conditioned to think so BS and you know it.
What do sharp edges have to do with RSI?
I didn't say my MBP out performed all of your wedge shaped wonders. But it does most of them, simply because Mac OSX is better at muti tasking and the spreading of the CPU load.
Again I'm not fully happy with the current MBP's but I'll take it over a PC any day. Your happy with what you got I'm happy with mine lets leave at that.
Dedicated dvd players out perform laptop PC's period, stop lying to your self and get with the program.
Timing your self means you have no life, I mean that's just sad.
And no for the final time the heat is not an issue. Yes it is for you get over it.
Blowing compressed air threw a vent doesn't clean of the dust that is accumulated on the fans them selves.
I know Apple history better than you. It was an GPU problem not an heat issue. And Apple did acknowledge they started a program for it.
While on the subject if your such a fan of dedicated graphics why doesn't NVIDIA come forward and say they have a problem.
That has nothing to do with Apple or NVIDIA it has to do with how companies work. It toke MS long enough to acknowledge the 360 hat a problem.
As for professionals using a MBP because their conditioned to think so BS and you know it.
What do sharp edges have to do with RSI?
I didn't say my MBP out performed all of your wedge shaped wonders. But it does most of them, simply because Mac OSX is better at muti tasking and the spreading of the CPU load.
Again I'm not fully happy with the current MBP's but I'll take it over a PC any day. Your happy with what you got I'm happy with mine lets leave at that.
Point? Never said the service was good.
But you are still paying for it.
For the record, I haven't had bad service at a genius bar yet, but then I don't drop my MBP and don't need help installing RAM.
And a little in their defense, anyone would have a hard time trying to figure out how some idiot fudged up their machine.
I think i am gonna stay with vista now
After reading mosx's very informative posts, i feel that i would be heading in the wrong direction with a macbook/OSX. Unless there is a "good" update by the end of the month i am going to stay with vista and probably buy an updated xps or a sony vaio.
For anyone asking why i posted this, I just wanted to!!!
After reading mosx's very informative posts, i feel that i would be heading in the wrong direction with a macbook/OSX. Unless there is a "good" update by the end of the month i am going to stay with vista
and probably buy an updated xps or a sony vaio. For anyone asking why i posted this, I just wanted to!!!
After reading mosx's very informative posts, i feel that i would be heading in the wrong direction with a macbook/OSX. Unless there is a "good" update by the end of the month i am going to stay with vista
For anyone asking why i posted this, I just wanted to!!!
Glad to see others are seeing the light.
I'm most likely going with a top-end HP gaming laptop myself. I'll wait until the next update, to see what improvements/price drops the MBP will get, but it sure seems better and cheaper for me to keep my MB and buy an HP for games, rather than selling my MB and getting a MBP.
I thought you were kidding since I had only heard of XBR5s.
Now I have to do more digging to see when the XBR8 will hit, and at what price point. So far, "fall" is the best indication I've found in preliminary searches.
so while i wish the MBP would come out next week or at least by mid-august, I have a sinking feeling I'll be let down. Last time they took forever and I see the same thing coming. Which is frustrating because I need a new comp before I go off to college and i don't want to get a new one, only to have the new MBP come out within the month. COMMON APPLE, be nice to the college people. Release it soon PLEASE!!!!!!
Except last year's iMac introduction was in early August so kids could bug their parents with, "Please mommy, please daddy! I'll be ever so good! And get good marks this year! If ONLY YOU GET ME A NEW iMAC !!!!!!!!!!! And you know it'll help me with school and everything....sooo? Mommy? Daddy?" Hook. Line. Sinker.
And they got their iPod nanos (2nd Gen Aluminums) and wished they had waited and got iPod touch instead (When Steve intro'd the new iPods a month later). Sad really. It's the kids who suffer.
I think the MB/MBP will be refreshed in early to mid August because Apple has an incentive to get the computers to schools because of the evangelism factor. Students sell each other on Apple hardware (saw it in my freshman year of college when the iPod was intro'd the year before <---wow I'm old) It's how I ended up getting my MacBook in my senior year before leaving school). So all in all, getting these devices to market before the whole world to see, is a good move by Apple Sr. Marketing VP, Phil Schiller (hahhah ActiveStync) .
Expect the MB/MBP update on the 5th or 12th of August (Tasty Treat Tuesday).
Whys everyone so down on the current macbook pro latches? I've always thought that was one of the coolest design features on the MBP. Maybe its the engineering geek in me, but come on, magnets are boring!
I would however LOVE to see a larger trackpad.
I would however LOVE to see a larger trackpad.
I've played around with the magnetic ones on MacBooks and I have to admit that I prefer the latch on my MacBook Pro by farrrr.
My latch broke off on my MBP after 2 years. Now I have to keep it upside-down all the time to keep it closed. Generally, less moving parts means less problems.