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Apple Pro Machines -- Still Coming?

Raveny said:
you maybe right, but i think that this is not a supply problem of the PPC 970FX, I have heard that this is a problem of the system controller from apple. The fx chip is since december in production so far as I know
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Yeah, I forgot about the new system controller. All of that will have to be revised for the 970fx. Hopefully Apple will be able to take advantage of the 90nm process to bring down costs and improve performance. But, they did get the Xserve shipping last week to general customers. I find it hard to believe that they can't get the system controller working correctly for the PM at about the same time. People also say it is ATi's fault, Hypertransport 2.0, faster DVD-R/RW drives, etc., etc. It would be nice if they could just add a Dual 2.2 or 2.4 GHz to the top of the line and drop the single 1.6 while they get their house in order.
 
Raveny said:
you maybe right, but i think that this is not a supply problem of the PPC 970FX, I have heard that this is a problem of the system controller from apple. The fx chip is since december in production so far as I know
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Is this the next chip that IBM's vice-president spoke of last year? Is this a next step toward the G6?
 
*Yawn* You do, of course, realize that this is all a big mind game which Apple is the sole benefactor of, don't you? While seemingly unpleasant, all the downs make you appreciate the ups even more, and all the ups make you quasi-patiently wait for more ups, while enduring lots of downs.

If that company wasn't marketed to death by the effects of secrecy, and by the common mac user's sensitivity to little hints and suggestions (which is, in fact, generated by the impatience during downs, the secrecy, AND the lack of absolute superiority in the performance of Mac computers), then, at the rate which they've been going, Apple probably wouldn't be in business.

Your dissatisfaction is what they are using to their advantage. Do you know this? Even if you do, has it really, truly sunk in?

Remember, it's all a game; a very expensive, very large, and very self-centered game, and Apple is the primary controller of it. Now, Apple, it's about nearing that time for you to throw the dog a bone!....in a little while...in a little while longer...rumor. Rumor rumor rumor...something to look forward to!...darn, that one came to nothing. Hmm, what's this? Ohhh, this might be true, let's watch THAT! Wait, wait, wait, each hour of each day becomes more agonizing, until the fateful rumored date. Another fake! Meh, I didn't really expect it to be true, anyway...let's just be patient. Until another rumor shows up, with more alleged validity. PLEASE, APPLE! No go.

Now, the big question: Are you still interested? YEAH
 
form said:
*Yawn* You do, of course, realize that this is all a big mind game which Apple is the sole benefactor of, don't you? While seemingly unpleasant, all the downs make you appreciate the ups even more, and all the ups make you quasi-patiently wait for more ups, while enduring lots of downs.

If that company wasn't marketed to death by the effects of secrecy, and by the common mac user's sensitivity to little hints and suggestions (which is, in fact, generated by the impatience during downs, the secrecy, AND the lack of absolute superiority in the performance of Mac computers), then, at the rate which they've been going, Apple probably wouldn't be in business.

Your dissatisfaction is what they are using to their advantage. Do you know this? Even if you do, has it really, truly sunk in?

Remember, it's all a game; a very expensive, very large, and very self-centered game, and Apple is the primary controller of it. Now, Apple, it's about nearing that time for you to throw the dog a bone!....in a little while...in a little while longer...rumor. Rumor rumor rumor...something to look forward to!...darn, that one came to nothing. Hmm, what's this? Ohhh, this might be true, let's watch THAT! Wait, wait, wait, each hour of each day becomes more agonizing, until the fateful rumored date. Another fake! Meh, I didn't really expect it to be true, anyway...let's just be patient. Until another rumor shows up, with more alleged validity. PLEASE, APPLE! No go.

Now, the big question: Are you still interested? YEAH
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LOL! ...but that actually might have some truth to it - you never know what Apple really thinks about rumor sites anyway.
 
i work at a bestbuy in ohio, the current status of all our G5 towers and displays are "Deleted" they have been for atleast a week, if not longer. what this means...

1.best buy wont be selling apple computers anymore

2.best buy is trying to get rid of stock with the expectation of new product releases

the inventory in our district warehouse is down to about a total of 9 towers...something like 4 2.0ghz, 3 1.8ghz and 2 1.6ghz. the ditrict warehouse cant really be a reflection of the whole company but i can keep my hopes up. in the same way that im still waiting for the PB update to buy my first mac. (i didnt bother to check inventory on the displays)
 
form said:
*Yawn* You do, of course, realize that this is all a big mind game which Apple is the sole benefactor of, don't you?

If that company wasn't marketed to death by the effects of secrecy, and by the common mac user's sensitivity to little hints and suggestions...
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I don't believe the 'common Mac user' has any knowledge of most rumors or rumor sites. People so often confuse the Mac enthusiasts and computer hobbyists on these sites for the 'typical' Mac user. It just isn't so.

Yes, Apple is aware of the rumor sites, and yes, rumors may have some impact on their sales (especially prior to a Macworld Expo), but to think that they make their major development and marketing decisions in order to manipulate the rumor mill is just... silly.
 
Mac2004 said:
I sure found the below article on the Power Mac G5 interesting.... Has anyone experienced this problem with their G5 and has the problem been resolved by Apple?? Let me know!!

Here's the link to the article:

http://www.arstechnica.com/wankerdesk/04q1/g5-noise.html
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I'm pretty easily annoyed by such things, and I haven't noticed it in 7 months of ownership. The G5 does sit under my desk, which would reduce the issue, buthonestly I haven't heard it. Of course, now I'm at work, and, as soon as I go home, I will notice it and slowly go insane. Thanks for the post! 😉

Anyway, at least for me, it hasn't been a problem. Perhaps I'm one in a million, and I got one of the first ones shipped (I don't mean literally, but I had the dual-2 by September, so it hadn't had time to have the power supply reved).
 
Flowbee said:
I don't believe the 'common Mac user' has any knowledge of most rumors or rumor sites. People so often confuse the Mac enthusiasts and computer hobbyists on these sites for the 'typical' Mac user. It just isn't so.
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That's true...but people, especially those who have been considering buying a new mac...do notice that the current models have been around for a while, at the same price. Personally that is what lead me to the rumor sites...seeing the model I wanted didn't drop in price. I was like how can that be...is a new one coming out around the corner (That happened with the last computer I bought, and I didn't want it to happen again)

So let's pretend you are one of those people looking at the dp 2.0 g5...since June. Now it is march and the specs and price are the same. Makes you wanna hold off your purchase doesn't it.

So Apple should really stop trying to sell us 6-10 month olf technology at 1st day prices....especially when their competitors have increased comparable specs by 20-100% over the same time period.

1. DVD burners in notebooks: PC notebooks are at 4x even 8x. Powerbooks are stuck at 2x

2. Minimum system RAM is 256 on all models over $400, in cases of models over $1000 RAM is 512. eMAcs still ship with 128

3. Top level desktops ship with 128-256 VRAM. Mid-range systems ship with 64 MB VRAM. eMAcs and entry level iMAcs ship with 32MB.

4. Hard drives on mid to high end machines are 160gb. ($1000+) Apples do not get that much till you spend $2500.



Sounds to me like price drops are warranted...especially since updates don't seem to be happening till WWDC.
 
Mac2004 said:
I sure found the below article on the Power Mac G5 interesting.... Has anyone experienced this problem with their G5 and has the problem been resolved by Apple?? Let me know!!

Here's the link to the article:

http://www.arstechnica.com/wankerdesk/04q1/g5-noise.html
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Yes, running a recording studio, I'm desparately hoping rev B can fix this, as we can't buy until this is fixed. Folks with our identical setup have this problem for sure.

Guess the casual user is ok, though, but I thought Apple was trying to address our market </rant>.

Regarding the quiet SP1.8, yes it does seem to be just the duals.
 
Flowbee said:
I don't believe the 'common Mac user' has any knowledge of most rumors or rumor sites. People so often confuse the Mac enthusiasts and computer hobbyists on these sites for the 'typical' Mac user. It just isn't so.

Yes, Apple is aware of the rumor sites, and yes, rumors may have some impact on their sales (especially prior to a Macworld Expo), but to think that they make their major development and marketing decisions in order to manipulate the rumor mill is just... silly.
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To go even further, based upon listening to customers when I visit the local Apple Stores, I don't think the average buyer is even all that aware of how old the line is. And, for that matter, I don't think the average PC buyer knows how long a given system has been on the shelf. They tend to buy what looks best of what is placed before them on the shelves. It's just that the PCs happen to be newer.

And I don't mean to insult buyers. But my observation has been that most of the people I've heard talking before buying a Mac at the Stores tend not to care and/or know about how ancient their purchase happens to be.

There's an Apple Store in the mall near me (Salem, NH), and my 3.5 year old daughter loves to play the games there, so I spend a lot of time wandering around waiting for her to finish.
 
here is my 2c why apple is drawing out these updates, is they want to get the most money out of what now is most likly a cheaper manfurcting process. the people apple is targeting are not us. they are not the poeple who read macrumors, and know excatly how long a particuar model has been out. It some guy/gal or pointy haired boss who is using m$ right now. These guys don't go and look when they think apple is going to update, if they are convinced to buy apple they do it now. Thats what i did. I bought a 800Mhz ibook, and found out i was getting a 900mhz ibook (last G3 ibook refresh april/2003), and thats what a lot of people do. They need/want an new computer now, not maybe next week/month when apple updates there products. Apple is more than happy to sell systems like this because after X months of a product release there margins increase, and they make more profit. Apple will put new products out when it is profitable for apple, not when it would make us macrumors people happy.

BUT... at this point apple need to update there products soon (1/2 months) becuase the x86 world is catching up to the G5, and the P-M is faster than our powerbooks.

We will see, within the next 1/2 months.
2.0, 2.3, 2.5 Powermacs.
1.2(12 inch),1.3(15 inch),1.4(15 inch),1.5(17) G4 powerbooks (the 1.5 G4 is good competion for the P-M, not matter how many people say the G4 is dead its not. The G4 has a shorter pipeline and a better altivec pipeline, futhermore the pipleine of the G4 is shorter than the P-M. The only thing that holds the G4 back is the current bus, if someone could design a true DDR bus for the G4 i would be more than happy to buy a computer with a G4 not matter how dead it is. If IBM would make a 1.5 GHz G3 and through it in an ibook i'd buy it, the G3(i don't use altivec that much) only has a 5 stage pipline, less than half that of the G4 and G5, and a fifth that of a P4.

1.6,1.8 G5 (moto can't get G4's that fast) imac by WWDC, i hope there isn't a major redesign, i love the white ibook, imac thing.

1.(something) G4 in a emac. i would like to see a g5 in there but that would cut into imac sales, and i think apple want to stop that.

1.0(12 inch), 1.2(14 inch) G4 ibooks by WWDC always keep below the powerbooks.

well anyways my 2c. I know alot of people say the same kinda of stuff, and i am not sure that we will see many of these before WWDC, but we can hope. If i think about if apple does any of these updates one at a time it will screw up their product grid, maybe they will do it. maybe they won't. i think its a big gamble for them to wait to WWDC to anouce all of these things. but that is the next big thing, and to update the whole product grid would take a big event (has an the whole apple product line ever been updated at once?) several months is a long time in the computer world. Apple is on the verge of a comeback, i know i have convinced 5 or 6 people to buy apple because of OS X(i think people have always had respect for apple hardware), but i do think that the next to excute the next 2-3 years flawlessly, and we will see a surge in apple market share 10-15% if they do everything right in the next 3-4 years. many, many people are sick of windows.. but any ways product delays kinda hurt, but sometimes they don't, most people don't know what 2.0 Ghz G5, or 3.0 Ghz P4 or any of that means.

so here it is, steve made the gamble. knowing who he is selling the most stuff to. we will not see a major product refresh till wwdc in june. i don't like it you don't like, but apple will....

[edit] - this was one train of though, so forgive me at the beging when i say 1/2 mounts. 🙂
 
El Duderino said:
i work at a bestbuy in ohio, the current status of all our G5 towers and displays are "Deleted" they have been for atleast a week, if not longer. what this means...

1.best buy wont be selling apple computers anymore

2.best buy is trying to get rid of stock with the expectation of new product releases

the inventory in our district warehouse is down to about a total of 9 towers...something like 4 2.0ghz, 3 1.8ghz and 2 1.6ghz. the ditrict warehouse cant really be a reflection of the whole company but i can keep my hopes up. in the same way that im still waiting for the PB update to buy my first mac. (i didnt bother to check inventory on the displays)
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The last I heard (a rumor on the internet) was that the Best Buy and Apple Computer "experiment" was over and that Macs would be disappearing from the few Best Buy locations that were actually carrying them. So, I think the answer is: 1. Best Buy won't be selling Apple Computers anymore.
 
G5 1.6 Pros & Cons...

I'm a "prosumer" (I do some illustration work now and again using painter+Photoshop)and an occasional gamer. I can afford to spend 2000 Euros.

For this amount (In Portugal) I can get either a 17 inch Imac 1.25ghz
or a 1.6 ghz G5 PPC. (only about 20 Euros difference in price). I have a 4 year old 17 inch studio display CRT which I imagine would hook up to a G5 tower...

I have a book job coming up soon so I can't wait much longer. My 4yr old G4 350 sawtooth is painfully slow.

I like everyone else it seems, have been waiting and waiting for these Rev B G5s (so that I might get a dual 1.8 for the 2000 and no power supply probs) or an imac upgrade to a G5 processor.

I'm not obsessed with speed, but I would feel ripped off paying the full wack for old tech. Especially if Apple upgrade them shortly after.

Which would be the best choice? I like the imacs, but just how OLD is that 1.25 G4? I mean if even ichat AV needs a 700mhz processor, how soon will I be out of the software loop?
I though a 1.8 single G5 would do the trick, but my local Apple store is selling them at 2610 Euros (only 100 euros less than the dual model). They don't sell any refurbs here.

Why don't they drop their prices dammit?

😡
 
Hector said:
for $800 you could get a dual 1.2ghz powerlogix upgrade to keep that tower going
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Interesting. Wouldn't the 100mhz system bus and slow ram (sd100) bottleneck the processors? I'd probably have to fork out for a new graphics card too (currently 16meg rage)
 
the system bus and ram shouldent slow it that much and you can pop a radeon 9000 in there for not that much (or you can flash a pc card if your ether techniquely inclined or a cheap @ss)
 
Soire said:
I think if nothing else, we can all agree that if Apple truly isn't going to release anything new till WWDC two important things will occur:

1) The next three months are going to have record low sales of these horrifically outdated models. (Yea they work, but c'mon)
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You know what's terrible about computers? You pine for the model that you really, really want. It's far faster than what you have; it's specs are improved in every way. And then you get it. And for one blissful instant, it's everything you hoped it would be.

Then you get used to it. You become accustomed to its performance. And then you get irritated with it. I currently have a G4/400 w/640 megs of RAM running OS 9. Were I to buy a dual 2.0 Ghz PowerMac, it would be wonderful (and admittedly, with a G4/400 right now, I imagine it'd be wonderful for a looong time) - but slowly, ever so slowly, it would start to seem slower. It's completely illogical - stupid, even. But that's what happens. It happens with everything computer-related - displays, game performance, CPU, and high-speed internet. Increased performance leads to increased expectations.

This has everything to do with the quote above. I don't think I heard this much moaning, groaning and senseless hyperbole even when we were stuck with Motorola's languishing G4. You want dark times? Try having your high-end pro model PowerMac, complete with a pro model price tag, stuck at a max 500Mhz for 16 months (September 1999 to January 2001).
 
More users 1st B4 Hardware....

Tulse said:
OS X is just like the iTunes Music Store -- it is there to sell Apple hardware.
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Think with me for a moment. All of us are already used to Apple pricing & release timing of new products for the past 5 yrs. That said, most of us are a little ticked because the otherside are selling competent machines (not the OS-Windows) for garage sale pricing. This is being done because those systems are old architecture anyway; recent hardware by AMD/Intel is in response to the "Threat" (a la Jay Z style) of the G5 (read the NAD thread footed by Dell). With OS X and its speed on Apple hardware recent G4's & G5 "are you not entertained? Isn't this why you've come?"; to quote Gladiator.
Most of us needing newer hardware either don't already own an Apple or a system that is more that 2yrs old. However I'm sure most of us would be Happy if iTunes Music Store launched in UK, Asia, and Canada before new hardware to enjoy them on;I do want to see $500 drop across the line if this comes to fruition to help sales. This will increase iPod sales but it does entice these buyers to buy new Apple hardware. What does that do for us? Well more money in Apple's pocket means more money for R&D, more for OS X development (Panther's improvement over Jaguar!!), and maybe more interestnig people to iChat with. Better yet maybe more company's to share files with and more apps!!!

So many of us stated that with IBM's processors Apple is in good hands. What hurts Apple is the pre-emptive announcements. Now that the company is outta debt, they should consider some of the manufacturing process of ASICS chips or mobo assembly in house to reduce shipment costs (having mobo made here then send their for new chips then send back for packaging then finally send here for assembly) and outsourcing.

With Apple
Apple, get that dirt of your shoulders!! 😛 😉
 
aftk2 said:
You know what's terrible about computers? You pine for the model that you really, really want. It's far faster than what you have; it's specs are improved in every way. And then you get it. And for one blissful instant, it's everything you hoped it would be.

Then you get used to it. You become accustomed to its performance. And then you get irritated with it. I currently have a G4/400 w/640 megs of RAM running OS 9. Were I to buy a dual 2.0 Ghz PowerMac, it would be wonderful (and admittedly, with a G4/400 right now, I imagine it'd be wonderful for a looong time) - but slowly, ever so slowly, it would start to seem slower. It's completely illogical - stupid, even. But that's what happens. It happens with everything computer-related - displays, game performance, CPU, and high-speed internet. Increased performance leads to increased expectations.


It's not that illogical. The software you use is constantly being improved upon and upgraded. New features get added that can save you time or make your life easier.
You can either choose the path of ignoring new software versions until one day you find you have no choice because your computer will no longer run them, or you can upgrade incrementally and find that over time (3-4 years) your Mac will be over-burdened. This is my current situation.
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Lets stop guessing when things arrive they arrive sick of getting my hopes up every tuesday 😡 Theres not even any real proof that speed bumps are coming anytime soon and did steve jobs ever Promise dual 3.0 by the end of summer?? or did he just say "we would like to see dual 3.0 g5's by then" ??
 
"THANKS A LOT APPLE, REALLY!!!!"

Apple would be making so much money right now if they were to just release an update before the 3ghz models....I know I'm in line to by two.!!!!!

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