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Apple Pro Machines -- Still Coming?

James Craner said:
My guess is that we will see new Powerbooks (modest speedbumps + updated graphics cards) in the near future, possibly tomorrow. Perhaps these will happen before PowerMac update. That way Apple will have a further 6 months or so to get the G5 Powerbooks ready, which I suspect will be announced Aug to Oct 2004 timeframe.
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It could be so...I think WWDC will either see the G5 release or at least an announcement of them coming prior to Christmas...or I will be bitter ;)
 
AJPME said:
I was a mac fanatic until I got screwed by Apple in their 1710AV fiasco, so I switched over to Windows NT in '97. I switched back to Apple a few months ago for FCP, and I love the minamalistic interface of Safari and the user experience of OS X - it's great to finally have a stable mac os. Don't get me wrong, I think the G5s are a spectacularly designed chip and computer. However, Apple needs to play on the same playing field as PCs when it comes to hardware. If I could run OS X on a dual AMD 64 running on a nForce3 250 and upgrade components as I please, I and many others would be much happier and Apple would quickly increase it's installed user base and marketshare. I'm sick of BS "deals" like the RAM discount. And I don't want to hear anymore of the lame argument that proprietary hardware allows Apple to have more stability - just look at their screwed up proprietary power supplies in dual g5s that prevent audio professionals from even having the CHOICE to have an adequate replacement. This is 2004, we're running a Unix variant, and the PC components are plenty standardized. I'm not neccessarily asking for support for dated hardware like an AccelEclipse, but at least let me choose from the full line of future ATI and NVIDIA cards. I really, really do love OS X, but I've left Apple before when they screwed me over and I'll do it again if I feel that they're jerking me around too much. I don't care about iPods, I'm a professional who needs great tools like FCP and DVDSP, but Apple, please remember there are other tools like Avid out there.
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I think OS X "needs" to run on Apple hardware... it's like a marriage..but then between hardware & software..

it's the total package that does it for me..

buying a lada packed with bmw technology wouldn't do it for me, I need the original stuff, or else I don't need anything..

just my 2 cents
 
AJPME said:
If I could run OS X on a dual AMD 64 running on a nForce3 250 and upgrade components as I please, I and many others would be much happier and Apple would quickly increase it's installed user base and marketshare.
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And immediately tank its profits, since it makes its money on hardware sales.

OS X is just like the iTunes Music Store -- it is there to sell Apple hardware.
 
How does & when does Apple usually announce updates? I've only seen the ones Steve does himself. Do they just post something on the main page stating the new specs? And is it usually at a set time or just whenever they feel like doing it?
 
Am I the only one falling for this?

$500 off is a tough deal to beat. Is anyone else out there going to bite the bullet and buy the current 23" and G5?
 
Tulse said:
And immediately tank its profits, since it makes its money on hardware sales.

OS X is just like the iTunes Music Store -- it is there to sell Apple hardware.
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In Soviet Russia, Apple sells competitors' hardware!

Oh man, I've been reading too much Slashdot recently...
:D
 
AJPME said:
I was a mac fanatic until I got screwed by Apple in their 1710AV fiasco, so I switched over to Windows NT in '97. I switched back to Apple a few months ago for FCP, and I love the minamalistic interface of Safari and the user experience of OS X - it's great to finally have a stable mac os. Don't get me wrong, I think the G5s are a spectacularly designed chip and computer. However, Apple needs to play on the same playing field as PCs when it comes to hardware. If I could run OS X on a dual AMD 64 running on a nForce3 250 and upgrade components as I please, I and many others would be much happier and Apple would quickly increase it's installed user base and marketshare. I'm sick of BS "deals" like the RAM discount. And I don't want to hear anymore of the lame argument that proprietary hardware allows Apple to have more stability - just look at their screwed up proprietary power supplies in dual g5s that prevent audio professionals from even having the CHOICE to have an adequate replacement. This is 2004, we're running a Unix variant, and the PC components are plenty standardized. I'm not neccessarily asking for support for dated hardware like an AccelEclipse, but at least let me choose from the full line of future ATI and NVIDIA cards. I really, really do love OS X, but I've left Apple before when they screwed me over and I'll do it again if I feel that they're jerking me around too much. I don't care about iPods, I'm a professional who needs great tools like FCP and DVDSP, but Apple, please remember there are other tools like Avid out there.
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I'm with you all the way. Linux just passed Apple in installed base. It'll keep getting better. The argument of stablility from a single hardware/software vendor is losing everyday. Linux is very stable on various hardware. XP is stable on various hardware. Various Linux distro's run on x86 and PPC. OS X can do it too and Apple can be very profitable. As you said. The user base will grow and so will profits. Charge for iLife or add it to the OS distro and charge a little more.
 
pgwalsh said:
I'm with you all the way. Linux just passed Apple in installed base. It'll keep getting better.
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Yeah, I hope this is a wake up call for Apple.

Although I disagree that Linux is for non-geeks yet. Its still a pain to add hardware and it does require reference to manuals and technical support forums if you want to do anything mildly different with it. Yet because its cheap/free/nice interface/not too hard to use, its going places
 
Zaty said:
The announced dry spell could be due to the fact that tomorrow is going to be Super Tuesday with lots of upgrades. But honestly, I think there will only be one update tomorrow: iMovie 4.0.1 :D
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You'll get your New Music Tuesday and you'll be happy, dammit! :D
 
agreenster said:
Why do I feel like I'm on a see-saw?

PowerMac updates imminent...

Nope. Wait till July

PowerMac updates imminent...

Nope. They'll update iMacs first

PowerMac updates imminent....

I think I'm gonna barf.
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Make sure to do it into a plastic bag. No reason Apple should be the only one selling regurgitated technology.
 
Nicky G said:
In Soviet Russia, Apple sells competitors' hardware!

Oh man, I've been reading too much Slashdot recently...
:D
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Well, if we're to follow the forms exactly, that would be: In Soviet Russia, hardware sales makes its money off of Apple! But then, in SR, forms exactly follow us, so there should be no problem.

In other news, I nearly jumped for joy at this ruumor. I had all but lost hope for new PMs before WWDC. I sold my PC in disgust, and am living with only my computer at work until the new PMs come out! It's torture! I realize there may be nothing 'til WWDC (or longer) anyway, but it's good to keep the hope alive so I won't waste my money on a lesser machine.

And yes, I am aware it's petty to hold off on buying just so your (perfectly decent) machine won't be outdated before its time. I fully accept that -- embrace it, in fact. ;)
 
Falleron said:
Well, the build times on powermacs here in the UK is 5-7 days. It went up from 1-2 days at the end of last week. I believe something is happening.
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Absolutely. It was a cloudy day here until I saw this thread. Instant sunshine. I also had a particularly satisfying bowel movement this morning. Yep, something is definately up. :rolleyes:
 
lol

wrldwzrd89 said:
I certainly hope so too...even though I'm not in the market for a G5 right now. I will be buying a new machine in 2007 (I bought my iMac G4 in Jan 2004); I'd like to see what comes out between now and then so I know what to expect.
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this stuff here wont tell you anything. =)
 
An unscientific - lazy mans - check at MacMall indicates the following
PowerMac 1.6 = 715 Units in Stock
PowerMac 1.8 = 1514 Units in Stock
PowerMac 2.0 = 1083 Units in Stock

Before you whine and pout because this is information you don't want to hear, (plenty available) I said it was an unscientific check. :(

Not what I want either.
 
ThomasJefferson said:
An unscientific - lazy mans - check at MacMall indicates the following
PowerMac 1.6 = 715 Units in Stock
PowerMac 1.8 = 1514 Units in Stock
PowerMac 2.0 = 1083 Units in Stock

Before you whine and pout because this is information you don't want to hear, (plenty available) I said it was an unscientific check. :(

Not what I want either.
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Enough for 3 months ;) :D :(
 
ThomasJefferson said:
Yikes, Now I'm really depressed.
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I think its for the best. They have till September to get to their deadline of 3Ghz by summer 2004.

Best they bump the PM once a year signficantly than twice a year in steps. That way when you buy you know its king of the hill for a year or when you wait the wait will be worth it. Such a annual cycle reduces inventory complexities and variations, simplifies advertising and education. It also reduces costs, and frees time and money up for the other lines which do need serious attention at present.
 
gilrain said:
And yes, I am aware it's petty to hold off on buying just so your (perfectly decent) machine won't be outdated before its time. I fully accept that -- embrace it, in fact. ;)
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Exactly. Someone said in the previous Brilliant thread: why pay day 1 prices for 6 month old technology? No thanks, I'll wait. And that's Apple's problem. Didn't Steve Jobs say he wanted to get away from a few big releases a year to more often, smaller releases?
 
pgwalsh said:
I'm with you all the way. Linux just passed Apple in installed base. It'll keep getting better.
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And most of those installed units are presumably servers, maintained by geeks, not desktop machines maintained by no-one (typically).

And Linux is free, so there isn't a large real world corporate profit margin & R&D budget to sustain. How would Apple make a buck going this road?

Most opensource, and particularly Linux, survives and progresses on the goodwill of vast numbers of eager programmers and assorted IT geeks sinking endless amounts of time into trying to "kill Bill".

Opensource is like some sort of antibody reaction to the parasitic infection that is Microsoft.

It's a religion, not a business plan.


:)
 
Whatever happened to price drops?

cmoney said:
Exactly. Someone said in the previous Brilliant thread: why pay day 1 prices for 6 month old technology? No thanks, I'll wait. And that's Apple's problem. Didn't Steve Jobs say he wanted to get away from a few big releases a year to more often, smaller releases?
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I agree. If Apple really isn't going to update for another three months (uhh, it even feels bad writing it) then why not lower their PM prices? I understand these sales are meant to move their product, especially the 23" LCD. But why in the name of common sense would they not just lower the price of the PMs that have been out for 9 months? That would sure as hell move the dual 2 Ghz a lot master than memory and LCD rebates.

As it stands now, we're locked into a game of chicken with SJ. The question is who will blink first.
 
Soire said:
I agree. If Apple really isn't going to update for another three months (uhh, it even feels bad writing it) then why not lower their PM prices? I understand these sales are meant to move their product, especially the 23" LCD. But why in the name of common sense would they not just lower the price of the PMs that have been out for 9 months? That would sure as hell move the dual 2 Ghz a lot master than memory and LCD rebates.

As it stands now, we're locked into a game of chicken with SJ. The question is who will blink first.
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Maybe these price drops will be covered by the new Impress for Less promo? :confused:

Nevertheless, I'm not going to wait for updates from Apple at WWDC if indeed the wait is that long. With that said, I don't think it will be.
 
I want that guy's emoticon.

MacFan25 said:
We should just hope that since tomorrow is Tuesday, we'll wake up to a pleasant surprise. But if not, then I'm sure they'll be here soon...surely they won't go a year without a major update... :eek:
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Too bad I can't get the emoticon above. :eek:

Oh, wait. I can if I type in the code. :eek:
 
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