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Soire said:
I agree. If Apple really isn't going to update for another three months (uhh, it even feels bad writing it) then why not lower their PM prices? I understand these sales are meant to move their product, especially the 23" LCD. But why in the name of common sense would they not just lower the price of the PMs that have been out for 9 months? That would sure as hell move the dual 2 Ghz a lot master than memory and LCD rebates.

SNIP

Apple are also about making thier R&D costs back etc. Why lower PM prices now...because they WILL sell in the next three months at there current price point, and furthermore a price reduction might make people stop buying them waiting for new 3GHz machines. When the update occurs, possibly not until september, then the 2GHz will drop - a bit ...but bear in mind that there are a fare few shinny new G4PMs out there for sale without much discount on them really...selling your older machine cheap encourages people to wait which slows stock sales and blows your business model. I can see why Apple have kept the older machines at a decent price. Not that it makes me very happy
 
Nicky G said:
I could say something witty here, but decided against it. :rolleyes:

i figured someone might. im not even in the market for anything, i just bought into the "new release" hype, and got a little too dramatic. i hammed it up on purpose.
 
aswitcher said:
Apple are also about making thier R&D costs back etc. Why lower PM prices now...because they WILL sell in the next three months at there current price point, and furthermore a price reduction might make people stop buying them waiting for new 3GHz machines. When the update occurs, possibly not until september, then the 2GHz will drop - a bit ...but bear in mind that there are a fare few shinny new G4PMs out there for sale without much discount on them really...selling your older machine cheap encourages people to wait which slows stock sales and blows your business model. I can see why Apple have kept the older machines at a decent price. Not that it makes me very happy

I think this is more of an economics discussion than that of pleaseing the public- and I only took one economics class- and did poorly.

I see your point, but there has to be a trade-off somewhere where customers would decide it's worth saving money on a reduced price G5 NOW, and not wait the extra 3 months. To be honest, if they lowered their prices on the current G5s (compliant with the developer discount) I myself would give some serious thought to buying now rather than later. But 3 grand for something that came out nine months ago??? Come on, we all know this is insulting, so why doesn't Apple? :confused:
 
pgwalsh said:
Charge for iLife or add it to the OS distro and charge a little more.

you mean how it is now ? you can buy iLife or get it with a new machine.

and you think apple could add cost to the OS distro ?? since when they charge 129 we all get to hear the whiners whine. I'm sure the whining would double if they increased the price.
 
Soire said:
I think this is more of an economics discussion than that of pleaseing the public- and I only took one economics class- and did poorly.

I see your point, but there has to be a trade-off somewhere where customers would decide it's worth saving money on a reduced price G5 NOW, and not wait the extra 3 months. To be honest, if they lowered their prices on the current G5s (compliant with the developer discount) I myself would give some serious thought to buying now rather than later. But 3 grand for something that came out nine months ago??? Come on, we all know this is insulting, so why doesn't Apple? :confused:

Ok. If they dropped the price right now, then anyone who bought since Christmas would be miffed they didn't hold off any longer because Steve has said 3GHz by Summer, so they thought that there was at leasr 6-9 months before (at that time) their machines would be outclassed and worth less than the original RRP. This would have the effect of making everyone think that it wasn't worth buying a machine if it was 6 or more months old because discounts were just around the corner in preparation for the next machines. If Apple gets a reputation for discounts after 6 months then people will wait, especially for Rev As which may have teething problems...wait six months for problems to be identified and resolved AND for prices to drop and then buy. Not a good situation for Apple if that happened.

But Apple has offered up a few temptors, although to my mind with limited market appeal. 23" and cheaper ram. CHeaper ram is a farce but at least they are trying to now be competative. 23" is likely stagnant and overstocker AND facing a revamp, so they want to shift them just as they wouldn't mind shifting a few more G5s to help this quater comings sales prior to WWDC.
 
I'd gladly pay double to run OSX on different hardware.

HornetOSX said:
you mean how it is now ? you can buy iLife or get it with a new machine.

and you think apple could add cost to the OS distro ?? since when they charge 129 we all get to hear the whiners whine. I'm sure the whining would double if they increased the price.
 
Some_Big_Spoon said:
I'd gladly pay double to run OSX on different hardware.

If OSX ran on intel/amd machines, due to prices of hardware Apple would quickly drop to being a graphics arts tool, much as it survived the 90s as, and would unlikely ever resurface as a contender for the home desktop.
I for one would probably go get a toshiba laptop now and dual boot OSX and XP if OSX ran on windows machines. Sure its not as nice hardware but it will perform and will be cheaper.
Its the OSX that makes the purchase of the slick hardware justified :)

Where is my G5PB!!!??? :eek:
 
aswitcher said:
Ok. If they dropped the price right now, then anyone who bought since Christmas would be miffed they didn't hold off any longer

No more than they would be if the G5s were actually updated instead. I already acknowledge that I should have bought a dual 1.8 in December, and that would remain true even if prices dropped tomorrow.

This would have the effect of making everyone think that it wasn't worth buying a machine if it was 6 or more months old because discounts were just around the corner in preparation for the next machines

But again, in that respect there's not much difference between price drops in 6 months and speed bumps in 6 months. In either case nobody's going to want to pay the original price for a 6-month old configuration. If you're trying to argue that Apple should only make improvements to the lineup once a year, I strongly disagree. That would only exacerbate the waiting problems.
 
Bullet Bitten

Well, it was a good enough deal to get me to my local Apple store on Sunday morning. I'm now bathed in the glow of a 23" Apple Cinema HD Display, and my dual 2 GHz G5 is sitting quietly at my right knee, hardly making a sound.

I hope you all understand the sacrifice I've made for you. By giving up the wait and buying now, I've ensured that the new PowerMac G5 Rev. B will be available in exactly ten days from today - too late for me to return this one!

But hey, I'm happy. Like orgasms and ice cream, the pleasure of owning the fastest computer is ephemeral.



ITMediaCo said:
$500 off is a tough deal to beat. Is anyone else out there going to bite the bullet and buy the current 23" and G5?
 
I still see the updates coming out in the next week or so (if not tomorrow!) If Steve promised 3 GHz by summer, there needs to be (in my opinion at least) one more update before we simply go right to 3 GHz - Apple wouldn't let a pro machine like the G5 PM become 1 year old without any updates at all to it - that would just reflect far too poorly on Apple.
 
aftk2 said:
Says whom?
Well, there was a link on MacBytes not too long ago..

If you missed it, here you go:
The link posted on MacBytes some time ago. Doh!
http://biz.yahoo.com/bizwk/040213/b3871118mz063_1.html

An older market share percentage.
http://www.iht.com/articles/70026.html

http://www.osnews.com/story.php?news_id=6371

And most of those installed units are presumably servers, maintained by geeks, not desktop machines maintained by no-one (typically).
Nope got that wrong.. This is the desktop market. The web server market is a third and is expected to grow to 40% by 2005.


And Linux is free, so there isn't a large real world corporate profit margin & R&D budget to sustain. How would Apple make a buck going this road?
First RedHat is doing better. They charge for automatic updates at a yearly subscription service fee. They also charge for system management to help cut down IT costs. If you've been up on the news, Novel is planning on taking it to MS with linux on the desktop. Linux will become more gui friendly.

Most opensource, and particularly Linux, survives and progresses on the goodwill of vast numbers of eager programmers and assorted IT geeks sinking endless amounts of time into trying to "kill Bill".

Opensource is like some sort of antibody reaction to the parasitic infection that is Microsoft.

It's a religion, not a business plan
Not sure where you got that quote, but I do recall most Mac people hate MS too, so I consider them a blessing not a cancer. Apple benefits from OpenSource. IBM, Novell, and others are learning how to make a profit with OpenSource. The point is that Apple has a great friggin opportunity and they're letting is slide right by.

Apple has the better OS... I would just like to see it available throuh HP, Compaq, Dell, and AlienWare or let me build my own. Apple can continue selling their machines, they'll just have to compete.

I would have replied earlier, but I went for a run...
 
I predict that there will be updates to the Powermac on thursday (April Fool's Day). The changes on the "new" Powermac G5 will be limited to increased clock speed (dual 2.0, dual 2.2, dual 2.5GHz)and some other minor changes (faster superdrive?, Radeon 9800XT, GeForceFX 5900, etc.).

The iMac will then receive a major update/redesign including the G5 (1.6, 1.8, 2.0GHz) at WWDC and ship within weeks of announcement. The dual 3.0GHz Powermac will also be announced at WWDC with many other improvements and will be used to show a preview of Mac OS X 10.4.

The PowerBook, iBook, and eMac will all be updated to faster G4 in the next couple months as well. PowerBook G5 will be announced sometime in the fall/winter.

This is secret insider info! :D
 
I just had the crazy idea of creating a new user name, then posting that I know for a fact that updates tommorow. Then if I was right I would keep the user name and everybody would consider me to be an oracle! :D ...and if I was wrong, then hey- drop the new name act like nothing happened. This sounds like a cool idea, I just hope nobody beat me to it.

-yea I'm not going to do that, but I like the notion.
 
Soire said:
I think this is more of an economics discussion than that of pleaseing the public- and I only took one economics class- and did poorly.

I see your point, but there has to be a trade-off somewhere where customers would decide it's worth saving money on a reduced price G5 NOW, and not wait the extra 3 months. To be honest, if they lowered their prices on the current G5s (compliant with the developer discount) I myself would give some serious thought to buying now rather than later. But 3 grand for something that came out nine months ago??? Come on, we all know this is insulting, so why doesn't Apple? :confused:
I agree, if Apple lowered their current prices for the dual 2ghz and told me that after updates the prices would not be lowered by much more, then I would seriously consider buying now.
 
apple store germany has new ibooks!!!!

the apple store germany announces in their hot news headlines: new ibook G4 with airport extreme and bluetooth.
they give no further information.
 
the promotional probably indicates that the Displays won't get updated until after the 26th of June. But the G5s most likely will Meaning a $500 discount for a setup that doesn't match... I'll take it.
 
nek said:
I predict that there will be updates to the Powermac on thursday (April Fool's Day). The changes on the "new" Powermac G5 will be limited to increased clock speed (dual 2.0, dual 2.2, dual 2.5GHz)and some other minor changes (faster superdrive?, Radeon 9800XT, GeForceFX 5900, etc.).

The iMac will then receive a major update/redesign including the G5 (1.6, 1.8, 2.0GHz) at WWDC and ship within weeks of announcement. The dual 3.0GHz Powermac will also be announced at WWDC with many other improvements and will be used to show a preview of Mac OS X 10.4.

The PowerBook, iBook, and eMac will all be updated to faster G4 in the next couple months as well. PowerBook G5 will be announced sometime in the fall/winter.

This is secret insider info! :D

Hey man, don't play mind games with the people on these forums. Say you have insider information only IF YOU DO. :mad:
 
nek said:
I predict that there will be updates to the Powermac on thursday (April Fool's Day) … This is secret insider info! :D

I assume the April Fools Day bit is the main point of this :rolleyes:
 
invaLPsion said:
Those came out in October, buddy.

Thank freaking god...

For a moment I was really freaked out, because I realized that I was reading this using an iBook G4 with Airport Extreme and Bluetooth, and I thought I had got stuck in some kind of tear in the spacetime continuum.

:D
 
pgwalsh said:
.The point is that Apple has a great friggin opportunity and they're letting is slide right by.

Apple has the better OS... I would just like to see it available throuh HP, Compaq, Dell, and AlienWare or let me build my own. Apple can continue selling their machines, they'll just have to compete.


Hmmm, I can't see it ever happening, it didn't work for them last time. And I think its probably too late now.

I could be wrong, and I concede I am no Linux expert, but heres how I see it.

Perhaps a major reason why OSX is better than Linux is that it actually inevitably consumes a large amount of money to create and improve an OS to the standard of vision and integration that Apple has achieved and must now maintain.

If Linux was as elegant, easy to use and install as OSX, do you think Redhat would survive when it could be got free elsewhere.

Redhat is surely benefitting from the unpaid labour of many talented programmers, and is effectively selling security and ease of use for code that is not intrinsically easy to use or install. The same could be said for IBM. They are all mainly giving a veneer of solidity and professionalism to a body of code they have largely not had to pay to develop and maintain, at least up to this stage.

How much money do Redhat invest into the actual opensource in a way that OTHERS can share without paying money to Redhat. IBM and Novell, are they writing code that benefits ALL opensource users and installations, or just theirs?

And even if they are investing now, the core of the OS was not paid for by them.

I don't think you can have it both ways now. If the previous attempt at licensing the Mac OS had worked better, and marketshare had been maintained or grown, perhaps Apple would be making enough money off software to keep the ball rolling and what you propose might have become the norm.

But now, since the installed base has become so small, its probably impossible to make that move, licensing would probably allow too many of their captive user base to move to another hardware platform and Apple would see a smaller percentage profit from every installed OSX copy than they do from hardware and OSX combined.

Perhaps that remaining revenue would then be too small to keep the OS development running at such a high standard. It would be a very high risk undertaking.

It works for Bill because he has so many copies out there, it works for Linux because most of the programming so far is still being done for free! It won't work now for Apple because they are the best but they are also the smallest.

Its a cleft stick.
 
Soire said:
I just had the crazy idea of creating a new user name, then posting that I know for a fact that updates tommorow. Then if I was right I would keep the user name and everybody would consider me to be an oracle! :D ...and if I was wrong, then hey- drop the new name act like nothing happened. This sounds like a cool idea, I just hope nobody beat me to it.

-yea I'm not going to do that, but I like the notion.

Dude, you'd've been no more of an oracle than the other 50 people who've posted that it's tomorrow for sure.

Now, if it in fact happens tomorrow AND you got all the specs right, then maybe you'd've at least been seen as a possible insider.
 
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