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Im on esim with us mobile in 13 pro max. As i can recall on the activation, it was a breeze, 2 minutes. The 13 pro max activated on its own after i entered the imei2, didnt have to scan qr code nor enter the activation code manually. Today, literally 2 hrs ago, i entered Mexico. I activated my esim mexico line with in a minute. Couldnt activated by qr code cause i didnt have mean to another device to have the qr code shown. Therefore i activated by manually copied and pasted 2 codes. It took less than a minute for me to have data in Mexico. I will be in Canada in two weeks, i can assume it will be easy also… will see.
 
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Many carriers inside the US don't support it either (or don't support it on certain plans).
Yup. I'll have to change carriers when my 14Pro arrives. Bummer. I really liked the low cost family plan I've been on for years.
 
It's always the ones who think Apple has absolute power everywhere lol.

Trying to play knowledgeable about global cellular markets and thinking that eSIM will be adopted everywhere, well, that's another level.

Yea, right? I bet carriers wouldn’t adopt micro SIM and nano SIMs either… oh wait! They did!

I also bet carriers wouldn’t apply to be an Apple partner and beg for it and wait for a lengthy certification process to sell iPhones.. Oh wait! They do, all of them!

Apple isn’t big just because it’s Apple. Apple is big because of us as a consumer base. Just like how iOS users spend more money on average on AppStore compared to Android on Google Play making AppStore more important to developers and get more attention in comparison to Google Play, we also spend more on plans and make carriers more money asking for niche services and add-ons that the majority of Android customers don’t ask about.

Carriers will implement eSIM or they will no longer carry iPhones*. Period.

*Exception is if the regulatory body in the country is against eSIMs in the first place like China then Apple will offer an alternative.
 
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Sure just like other countries are mandating apple to still provide earphones and a wall adapter. Apple does not dictate local regulations nor can they enforce them.
Those items are more "accessories". I agree that, at a minimum, Apple should have an option to request a free adaptor with an iPhone purchase (like it gives you choice of color/storage size etc). Remember back when Apple came along with nano simm card and most other mfgs used micro simms? This is same scenario. Same case with lightning connector etc. Ultimately eSimm will be widely adopted.
 
Nope, you can't convince me this is a plus when most of the countries I visit don't have anyone offering eSim. I'm at the whims of T-Mobile (US) and whatever outrageous price they decide to charge for their international data plan.
 
That I'll agree with you on

And for "support", the point people are making is that "everyone" supports a simple physical SIM.
eSIM is a huge mixed bag of supported or not and then also the process involved differs across the board.

The larger point remains that eSIM + Physical SIM as an option is a better device if one had to pick.
It's simply more flexible. You can get the benefits, if desired, from eSIM, while still being able to go Physical if you prefer or just need it in a pinch.

Not for nothing, but as little as 12 years ago, not everyone supported GSM, or LTE. In fact, Verizon and Sprint refused to use or sell an iPhone because it didn't work with their own proprietary network, which was CDMA, while it worked for 99% of the world, who was on GSM.

Even they folded, and got the iPhone.

And that was a mixed back of supported and not supported, global standard and nonstandard. And coming up to now, with 4G, LTE, and now what we have, they all have adopted. Both Sprint and Verizon were battling with the GSM carriers saying that their network was better with the iPhone, yet even they folded into LTE, making the standard even better.

My point: all of the time they spent bagging the iPhone while they didn't have it made them feel salty in having to eat their words when they finally got it, as they couldn't reconcile their stance with having the iPhone versus them saying it was a crappy device. The same applies here; it's a mixed bag of supported and unsupported, but eventually, even the staunchest of resistant carriers folded because they saw the revenue they were missing.

BL.
 
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Nope, you can't convince me this is a plus when most of the countries I visit don't have anyone offering eSim. I'm at the whims of T-Mobile (US) and whatever outrageous price they decide to charge for their international data plan.
Something must be wrong. Haven’t you seen all the posts from folks that travel to 100+ countries reporting they have had no problems with eSIM? You need to keep up with the times!
 
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Nope, you can't convince me this is a plus when most of the countries I visit don't have anyone offering eSim. I'm at the whims of T-Mobile (US) and whatever outrageous price they decide to charge for their international data plan.
You don’t need an international data plan. T-Mobile customers have had free data roaming for years!
 
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The question isn't whether or not carriers abroad support eSIM, the question is, can I, a visitor to the country who doesn't have a local address, local bank account, local government ID, and who may not speak a word of the local language, get a plan with an eSIM before I walk out of the airport?

It's usually easy enough to buy a physical SIM card when you arrive, some countries have vending machines for them in the airport.

I'm going to Turkey next year. According to Apple, there are 3 carriers there that support eSIM. Fantastic. How do I get one? The carrier's sites are in Turkish. I stumbled through one of them with Google Translate. I think I need to already have a Turkish number to sign up. I'd most certainly need a Turkish address, possibly a Turkish bank account to pay for it.

Hell, I went to see what the options are for the UK, to at least remove the language barrier. Seems like none of them support eSIM for PAYG. I guess as a visitor, I'm not getting an eSIM.

And yes, I know about Airalo and the like. They're convenient, but expensive compared to local plans. They also don't support voice calling if that's something you need. Airalo is probably fine for most people for short term travel, but if you're spending a lot of time abroad, it's not going to cut it.

Y, Agree with you - there are 2 sets of issues here:

1) Convenience - the availability of using pre-paid SIM cards when traveling - originally from the UK, my family too often uses prepaid / pay as you go SIMs when traveling. Many carriers (in fact most, if not all of the UK carriers I have used) do not offer eSIM for pre-paid or pay as you go plans.

2) Privacy - I have seen less commentary about user privacy; pre-paid / pay as you go SIM card plans offer the most - if not only option for practical anonymity for journalists, privacy advocates, or users & travelers in authoritarian / oppressive countries. There are even scenarios where business & leisure travelers to potentially high-risk countries may depend on switching SIMs between devices to enable them to take a burner device for the duration of their trip & to ensure that their regular device remains risk/threat-free.

& fwiw - with regard to the risk of SIM theft - there are already other well established countermeasures in place (device lock) to limit the allure of stealing iPhones, & SIM / identity theft invariable always occurs through social engineering attacks aimed of the customers account & not theft of the physical SIM card.
 
Wrong move. I travel in many African and Asian countries, many of them never heard Esim. Apple should have waited 3-4 years to make the switch. As an Apple fan, I'm really disappointed.
 
I'm not happy about e-sim since I travel a lot to Europe, but for Central and South America I am on AT&T's Elite (Premium now) and no charge when roaming there.
I'm on the exact same plan on AT&T but oddly enough, i asked 2 AT&T representatives (they even texted their manager and said the same thing) at my local store and they said that it was only for use in Mexico (they said that because they didn't know that it's really for all of Latin America; they think Latin America is just Mexico)
 
We all know the benefits to eSIM, the issue is not there. The issue is that many carriers outside (and even inside) the US still doesn't support it to this day.
Well then it’s time to finally support it. They are lazy that’s the problem. Apple will force them to move forward
 
Like 500MB-1GB per month of high speed data, after that it becomes basically unusable. I’m away for months at a time so this simply isn’t an option, believe me I’ve tried.
If you're on Magenta Max you now get 5GB of high speed data a month. May not be useful for you if you're gone for months at a time, but for casual travelers it does make it less relevant. It's still way more convenient to pop in a local SIM though - for £10 I can get something like 15 or 20 gigs of high speed data in the UK for a week. More than I'll ever need.
 
Yea, right? I bet carriers wouldn’t adopt micro SIM and nano SIMs either… oh wait! They did!

I also bet carriers wouldn’t apply to be an Apple partner and beg for it and wait for a lengthy certification process to sell iPhones.. Oh wait! They do, all of them!

Apple isn’t big just because it’s Apple. Apple is big because of us as a consumer base. Just like how iOS users spend more money on average on AppStore compared to Android on Google Play making AppStore more important to developers and get more attention in comparison to Google Play, we also spend more on plans and make carriers more money asking for niche services and add-ons that the majority of Android customers don’t ask about.

Carriers will implement eSIM or they will no longer carry iPhones*. Period.

*Exception is if the regulatory body in the country is against eSIMs in the first place like China then Apple will offer an alternative.

Right, because a different form factor of a physical SIM card is the same as having no SIM card at all lol.

Everything you're saying applies to places where iPhone already has a large presence. Believe it or not, there are places in existence that don't.

"Carriers will implement eSIM or they will no longer carry iPhones*. Period."

Do you hear that? That's the sound of all the carriers weeping in unison. You can't hear it? Huh, I guess iPhones aren't a big deal where they are.

"*Exception is if the regulatory body in the country is against eSIMs in the first place like China then Apple will offer an alternative."

lol There already is an alternative. It's called, "living anywhere on the planet that isn't the US".

Your insistence on defending a trillion-dollar company for limiting connectivity options is laughable but on-brand for a fanboy.
 
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I'm just astonished at how much Apple has become so arrogant. Serioulsy, has anyone here in the past few months tried to activate an eSim with any carrier in the US? Well, I have tried many times with Verizon and T-Mobile and I have to say it's a nightmare!! Yes, surely they may have fixed and trained the carriers here in the US to activate eSims, but, can you imagine going to somewhere like Greece (Trust me, I was there and tried with Cosmote - impossible), Ghana, Guatemala etc where there is perhaps no such thing as an eSim or, you simply can't speak the language to activate an eSim at the local corner store
Do the research first. Type international esim on Google and you have plenty of options in every part of the world. Stop looking for excuses and educate yourself
 
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Forget about Att store if you can. Call them till you get someone know how to convert into the eSim
You don't even have to call AT&T to convert from physical to eSIM.
You can do it right on your phone. I've converted my wife, and my oldest daughter's 12Pro to eSIM and my younger daughter's 11 Pro as well. Never made a single call to AT&T or even had to go to their web site.
There's an option in cellular settings to do the conversion on the device.


  1. On your iPhone, go to Settings > Cellular.
  2. Tap Convert to eSIM. If you don't see Convert to eSIM, your carrier doesn't support this option. ...
  3. Tap Convert Cellular Plan.
  4. Tap Convert to eSIM.
  5. Wait for your eSIM to activate. ...
  6. Remove the physical SIM from your iPhone.
 
Do the research first. Type international esim on Google and you have plenty of options in every part of the world. Stop looking for excuses and educate yourself
lol Look who's talking. There aren't plenty of options in every part of the world. WTF are you talking about? Try educating YOURSELF.
 
Anyone with ATT try converting their physical SIM to an eSIM before their iPhone 14 comes tomorrow? I want to try it but I’m afraid it will mess things up and I’ll have to run to the nearest ATT store.
Piece of cake...
I've done it to all of my family's iPhones. Pretty quick too.

  1. On your iPhone, go to Settings > Cellular.
  2. Tap Convert to eSIM. If you don't see Convert to eSIM, your carrier doesn't support this option. ...
  3. Tap Convert Cellular Plan.
  4. Tap Convert to eSIM.
  5. Wait for your eSIM to activate. ...
  6. Remove the physical SIM from your iPhone.
 
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Do the research first. Type international esim on Google and you have plenty of options in every part of the world. Stop looking for excuses and educate yourself

I actually have. None of the mobile phone operators in the UK support ESIM for pay as you go accounts. Same in India - and you cannot activate it without going in person and having them run a background check. Large swaths of South America and Africa DO NOT SUPPORT ESIMs. You can get a global e-sim sure but that defeats the purpose and simplicity of walking into a cell phone store or hut or gas station or wherever, buying a SIM, pop it in the phone, and you're good to go.
 
For Americans looking to get an iPhone14 with a SIM tray, you could get the Canadian one.

iPhone14/128 is 1099CAD, which according to Google, is equivalent to 833USD. A regular US iPhone14/128 is $829 for the SIM/Carrier-Free. Not much difference in price.

Looks like the Canadian phone has all of the same bands/frequencies as the US models, except it doesn't have the 5G NR mmWave stuff.

If you don't need that, but do need the physical SIM, go Canadian.
Nah, that’s too easy. These guys prefer to whine and moan and made up scenarios and have victim mindset, as if the eSIM only iPhone 14 is the only phone that exists in the world.
 
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