Right, because getting a Canadian iPhone 14 (without mmWave bands) is as easy as going to your local Apple store lol.
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Apple Promotes Benefits of Using iPhone 14 With eSIM While Traveling Abroad
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You do your research! eSIM is not F&**ing available on pre paid or pay as you go outside the US. Simple.
It's not but if you want the benefit of faster 5G UC/UW frequencies that are in the US, you're prevented from using physical SIMs when traveling abroad. This is a consumer unfriendly decision
Sure. It just doesn’t work for me which is why I posted what I did. I need a SIM card slot until the rest of the worlds telecoms catch up.
I was a store manager with AT&T until yesterday so I know the plan works in Central and SouthAmerica. This is why I tell everyone to avoid Authorized Retail stores, unfortunately there are a lot more of those than "corporate" stores.
In my opinion, I think Apple made the right choice as having SIM tray-less phone is part of the future. Eventually carriers are going to adapt to the having esim plans because Apple is such a big influence on technology (look at te removal of the floppy disk, removal of the CD rom and the removal of the headphone jack; eventually other companies followed suit)
You know what, I went to the Authorized Retail store. What's the difference though between them and the regular stores?
I even did my research on the type of plan that I had and I just wanted to confirm but they didn't know about it
As always you have no clue on what you are talking about.
It’s Apple that bend backward to accommodate CDMA on iPhone 4 so they can get Verizon. It’s not Verizon folded it was apple.
Apple was testing CDMA to get into Verizon network a full 2 years before iPhone 4 came out.
LTE has nothing to do with GSM or CDMA. Because it was one universal technology. Apple isn’t even the forerunner on adapting LTE. Same with 5G
Why do you need to continuously feel the need to write BS?
First LTE phone is HTC desire. First 5G phone actually started in China. Apple was actually late to both.
Please stop keeping on embarrassing yourself. You already have zero creditbility on prepaid vs postpaid esim.
Because they assume they have post paid or global esim, that it works.
Show me how you can get prepaid esim in China and Japan.
The answer is you can’t.
No one said that.
But this is apple forum and we are discussing iPhone 14 for us right.
So what is your point then?
Incorrect generalization as there ARE providers providing eSIM for tourists/prepaid, although not commonplace. I myself have stated 2 exact examples form my own experience.
BUT, you do bring up a point the lack of information. This is what Apple SHOULD be doing, aka making a dashboard to detail the eSIM readiness of (at least) their carrier partners worldwide. Simply having a list like what Apple is doing now is not helpful. If Apple really wanted to help customers, they should simply disclose what eSIM services offered by their carrier partners, any related fees, and direct link to their eSIM services. Transparency will help customers look at which carriers are the douche ones, and make wiser decision. Then free market will do its thing. Right now, Apple is only patting themselves in the back.
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Which one is more important to you? mmWave band or SIM tray? If both are important, get the iPhone 13. Done. Why so much stress over your own self imposed frustration?
Simply get the iPhone 13. That has both SIM tray and mmWave.
I mean I don't get the people that are self-limiting their choice to one single phone (US iPhone 14) as if that's the only phone available in the whole world.
Apparently your history of iPhone releases escapes you, because your history of this is wrong.
iPhone: ATT only.
iPhone 3G: ATT only.
iPhone 3GS: ATT only.
iPhone 4, until October 2011: ATT only.
Halfway through the iPhone 4 cycle, did Verizon get the iPhone, after spending nearly 3 years bashing the phone.
It wasn’t until the october 2011 - the same time that Verizon got the phone - that Sprint did as well. Both CDMA, for their networks only. The only reason they got that was because the contract for exclusivity with ATT expired around that time.
source for the bold.
Exactly. So much for unsupported this or that, because they ALL fell into the global fold, just like unsupported this or that for eSIM will. Thank you for proving my point.
I never said that they were the first. I said that they had all of the US carriers adopt the global standard, instead of having separate, proprietary networks that they try to pass off as the standard.
You know what they say when people assume and try to put words into people’s mouths…
Pot. Kettle. Black.
Worked for me in Australia. Too bad it doesn’t work for you. But oh well; have fun with the whinge.
BL.
Just want to mention that all my posts in support of eSIM or those speaking in support of eSIM are sarcasm!
On personal note:
My sister's phone broke while she was visiting the US from India. It was a dual SIM phone. Because it was an international phone, getting parts to fix it was going to take almost a month. We bought a new phone similar to her old one, a Samsung A53, thinking it has dual SIM support. It had 2 SIM slots and was advertised as a dual SIM phone by Best Buy. As she was about to leave, she discovered that it wouldn't recognize the second SIM card. It turns out that US spec A53's are advertised as dual SIM but one must be eSIM (rest of world gets full dual SIM support). We were out of the 14 day return period. Back in India she found her carrier doesn't support eSIM and her workplace only issues physical SIMs. Thus her only options were to switch carriers (but the other one didn't have good service in her house), carry 2 phones one for home and one for work, or get rid of the A53 that we bought and replace with a new phone with true dual SIM support. She ended up doing the 3rd option.
What Apple has done is pure hubris on their part. Someone probably won political battle at work and got a raise for coming up with this idea. My guess is they will reverse this decision with the next phone.
On personal note:
My sister's phone broke while she was visiting the US from India. It was a dual SIM phone. Because it was an international phone, getting parts to fix it was going to take almost a month. We bought a new phone similar to her old one, a Samsung A53, thinking it has dual SIM support. It had 2 SIM slots and was advertised as a dual SIM phone by Best Buy. As she was about to leave, she discovered that it wouldn't recognize the second SIM card. It turns out that US spec A53's are advertised as dual SIM but one must be eSIM (rest of world gets full dual SIM support). We were out of the 14 day return period. Back in India she found her carrier doesn't support eSIM and her workplace only issues physical SIMs. Thus her only options were to switch carriers (but the other one didn't have good service in her house), carry 2 phones one for home and one for work, or get rid of the A53 that we bought and replace with a new phone with true dual SIM support. She ended up doing the 3rd option.
What Apple has done is pure hubris on their part. Someone probably won political battle at work and got a raise for coming up with this idea. My guess is they will reverse this decision with the next phone.
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Here's another issue with physical sims. I have a Reolink Go security camera that uses a SIM card to transmit video so you can access with a cell phone or computer (makes it useful for locations that don't have wifi). Mint Mobile is one of the carriers that works on the Go camera. Mint often offers a 3 month plan for $10 or $15 specials (instead of the usual $45) with a physical sim. However, you must insert the SIM in a phone to activate it first before moving it to the Go camera. So if I buy a new iphone 14 that is no longer possible. I have to carry around an old phone to activate those sims - just another pain in the butt thing I have to worry about if I upgrade phones. Thank goodness my iphone 13 is good for another couple of years.
It is in Thailand
But generally you are correct its very hard to get pay as you go esims
There are many solutions available to the various scenarios we can dream up, but mostly they cost more or many $$$'s over a simple physical sim option
They may move....but whether the direction is "forward" is certainly debatable....except of course for those who dismiss any viewpoint that disagrees with theirs as invalid and unworthy of discussion...except of course to mock others and yap yap yap about how their views are irrelevant.
I on a trip to the US right now, during taxi on the flight here I signed up for free trial with mint mobile and set my eSim. When I landed in LAX my phone worked and decided to Sign up for 3 months. eSim is great when it works but I would rather a physical sim just in case.
Amid criticism from some customers regarding the removal of the SIM card tray on all iPhone 14 models sold in the United States, Apple today published a new support document outlining various "options and benefits" for using eSIMs while traveling abroad.
Apple says an eSIM is more secure than a physical SIM since it cannot be removed from an iPhone that is lost or stolen. Apple also says that eSIMs eliminate the need to obtain, carry, and swap physical SIM cards, or wait for them to arrive by mail.
The support document notes that the iPhone XS and newer can store eight or more eSIMs, while the iPhone 13 and newer can have two eSIMs active at the same time.
"This could, for example, include one eSIM for your home and another eSIM for the place you're visiting," the support document explains. "You can swap which of your stored eSIMs are active simply by changing your selections in Settings."
The support document includes information for customers looking to roam internationally with their existing carrier, purchase an eSIM from a local carrier while traveling abroad, or purchase a prepaid data eSIM from a worldwide service provider.
Apple says customers can activate an unlocked iPhone 14 model purchased in the United States with over 400 carriers that support eSIM on the iPhone in 100 markets around the world. Apple adds that many worldwide service providers also offer prepaid eSIM data plans for long-term use in countries around the world.
Some people have expressed concerns about eSIM availability while traveling abroad with eSIM-only iPhone 14 models from the United States.
In his iPhone 14 Pro camera review, travel photographer Austin Mann said he was "a bit concerned about the practicality of an eSIM-only approach for travelers with US iPhones who frequently visit the developing world," adding that he usually purchases a local SIM card in countries where he travels to so that it is easier and cheaper to communicate with people within the country. Mann said he would be thrilled to toss out his collection of physical SIM cards, but said he has been unable to figure out how to sign up for an eSIM line in East Africa, where he plans to travel to next summer.
The support document is unlikely to assuage disappointed customers, but it does serve as a helpful resource for using eSIM technology.
Article Link: Apple Promotes Benefits of Using iPhone 14 With eSIM While Traveling Abroad
It's inevitable, and technology wise, there is already iSIM, where the SIM is integrated into the SoC.
Having said that, we will always have physical SIM in the near future as the lowest common denominator. It's just that the availability for eSIM is lagging. Somebody got to put their foot forward, and Apple is the company that is big enough to do it.
Samsung tried persuading the top carriers in my country to support eSIM for their foldable launch, but it went to deaf ears. Sometimes we need somebody like Apple to push things.