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Now you're just resorting to making false claims about what I've "acknowledged". That's not much of an argument. The App Store is Apple's IP. They want to control it. They don't want to control the internet because that isn't their IP. Both the App Store and the internet are available on the iPhone. You can download a free app on the App Store (like Spotify, like Netflix, like Kindle) and then pay for subscriptions/content on the internet. You can also view all the porn you want on the internet on your iPhone but Apple is not going to allow porn apps in the App Store.

The App Store will continue to be Apple's IP, and their complete control of said store would not be affected if hypothetical third-party stores became available.
 
But why does apple have to give up revenue on a platform they created? Why should all the other app stores benefit off the work of apple?
Why did Microsoft have to open up its platform to other browsers? Why did AT&T have to open up its telephone network to competitors? Why were other companies allowed to benefit off their work?
 
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But Apple also operate the open-ended Mac which offers both solutions.
And Apple has repeatedly said that the approach to iOS was a clean slate where they could address legacy problems that existed on the Mac. Privacy/security was one of those legacy problems.
 
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Now you're just resorting to making false claims about what I've "acknowledged". That's not much of an argument. The App Store is Apple's IP. They want to control it. They don't want to control the internet because that isn't their IP. Both the App Store and the internet are available on the iPhone. You can download a free app on the App Store (like Spotify, like Netflix, like Kindle) and then pay for subscriptions/content on the internet.
You did acknowledge it. How is submitting every streaming title for approval, potentially thousands of titles, not onerous? There's a reason MS and Google decided not to launch an app, even though they wanted to. Apple can control the App Store all they want. Nobody is trying to control it. What they're being told is that they cannot prevent others from opening up their own stores.

You can also view all the porn you want on the internet on your iPhone but Apple is not going to allow porn apps in the App Store.
Right, because contrary to what you said earlier, Apple does in fact control which software can and cannot be installed on an iPhone.
 
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Well what's next? XBox and Playstation have to "open their platforms" to be able to run games from other sources? Sony and MS don't also get a 30% cut for having the games on the platform?

Why do people always bring gaming consoles into this? They need to wait their turn.
For now it is businesses like Apple/Google/etc that are being looked at.
 
And Apple has repeatedly said that the approach to iOS was a clean slate where they could address legacy problems that existed on the Mac. Privacy/security was one of those legacy problems.

Except Apple also touts the privacy/security of the Mac, despite it allowing sideloading.
 
Why did Microsoft have to open up its platform to other browsers? Why did AT&T have to open up its telephone network to competitors? Why were other companies allowed to benefit off their work?
Does Sams/Walmart have to allow any product that wants to be on their shelves into their store?
 
You did acknowledge it. How is submitting every streaming title for approval, potentially thousands of titles, not onerous? There's a reason MS and Google decided not to launch an app, even though they wanted to. Apple can control the App Store all they want. Nobody is trying to control it. What they're being told is that they cannot prevent others from opening up their own stores.


Right, because contrary to what you said earlier, Apple does in fact control which software can and cannot be installed on an iPhone.
I never acknowledged anything regarding anti-competitive practices. I acknowledged that Apple wants control over the App Store and not the internet. MS wasn't prevented from offering their game streaming service to iOS/iPhone users. And Microsoft always had the opportunity to release their 1st party games through the App Store before game streaming services were even viable on mobile. Did they do that? No, they chose to limit their 1st party games to Windows and Xbox.
 
Sony, Microsoft and Nintendo get 0% from my eBay sale/purchase.

Emulators have been around for decades. Nintendo prosecutes ROM sites, not the developers of the 30-year-old zSNES emulator. If that were true devices like the Analog Pocket would be illegal. Its an arguement for sideloading because they are wonderful!

I chose Android for my phone and use an iPad for work. I have a stake in both. The fact that you are advocating the lack of choice as a selling point for iOS speaks volumes.
Digital sales have no resale, for any platform, but Sony, Microsoft and Nintendo, got paid for the first time a game got sold, and they are all switching to digital distribution. Side loading would allow for developers to put products on iOS without Apple getting paid for the platform they created.

I'm not advocating lack of choice, iOS App Store has more apps than PlayStore. I'm advocating for lack of choice on where you can get apps, as a selling point.
 
I never acknowledged anything regarding anti-competitive practices. I acknowledged that Apple wants control over the App Store and not the internet. MS wasn't prevented from offering their game streaming service to iOS/iPhone users. And Microsoft always had the opportunity to release their 1st party games through the App Store before game streaming services were even viable on mobile. Did they do that? No, they chose to limit their 1st party games to Windows and Xbox.
Apple will maintain control over their app store. That's not at issue here.
 
Apple hasn't been found to have violated anti-competitive practices in courts of law. You have legislators claiming that they're acting in an anti-competitive manner without any court rulings to back it up. Using caps is the way for legislators to get around the fact that Apple has not been found to be in legal violation.

As I've said before, legislators around the globe have never bothered to do an actual comparison of prices, quality, selection and customer satisfaction with apps for iOS versus Android versus Windows versus Mac. That should be an easy way to show lack of competition and it's not being done...because the legislators know it wouldn't provide a favorable comparison relative to their legislation.

Do you honestly think that the whole world runs on US style laws and regulations?
 
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Apple will maintain control over their app store. That's not at issue here.
The issue goes back to what I originally posted: if a single store on iOS is anti-competitive versus 3rd party stores on Android/Windows/Mac, why aren't governments providing basic comparisons between them for prices, quality, selection and customer satisfaction? Answer: because they know it wouldn't support the anti-competitive claims.
 
Do you honestly think that the whole world runs on US style laws and regulations?
I expect the whole world to be able to make basic price, quality, selection and satisfaction comparisons between platforms they consider to be anti-competitive versus ones they consider to be competitive.
 
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They could maybe get around it by making an android OS port for iphone so customers have to choose either be in apples ecosystem or googles but by being able to swap OS's maybe that would get around the problem. I wouldn't think many people would choose to run android on an iphone so apple wins overall.
 
Why did Microsoft have to open up its platform to other browsers? Why did AT&T have to open up its telephone network to competitors? Why were other companies allowed to benefit off their work?
IBM was subjected to a 1956 consent decree that lasted 40 years and required them to adopt policies that benefited their competitors.
 
I expect the whole world to be able to make basic price, quality, selection and satisfaction comparisons between platforms they consider to be anti-competitive versus ones they consider to be competitive.
Well, that's not happening anytime soon.
 
It is not easy in this world without a smartphone. A game console on the other hand is just entertainment.
The smartphone has become a very important part of everyday life, way beyond calls, texts, facebook and games.
That industry is dominated by 2 of the biggest companies in the world.
Keyword in that is the number 2. Also everything you can do on a phone you can do on a computer.

I love that people defend gaming consoles being closed there is all these benefits to having an open iOS but not consoles! You don't matter gamers! My iPhone is my life.

Sorry it's all or nothing. You can sideload on phones when you can sideload on consoles. Going to be great to have Steam on PS5.

When the topic is "closed digital marketplaces" instead of the Apple App Store I'll listen others will listen and you will have more support. Until that's the phrase used in all these discussions then the argument has an agenda. I'm tired of this we want to regulate Kroger but not Costco because no one needs Costco.

Fight to make a real change on something instead of hurt Apple they have lots of money!
 
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IMO, if someone is going to claim that a single 1st party store is anti-competitive versus 3rd party stores then it should be easy to demonstrate that lack of competition through prices, quality, selection and satisfaction with apps on the platform. None of the governments in question are doing that. They're entirely avoiding those kinds of comparisons. That's a rather obvious red flag within the "game".

I suggest you take a serious look at the current Android world.
This is worst case if Apple just copies Android. I am quite sure they could come up with a far more equitable solution.
As we have seen snippets of code in the 15.5 beta releases os "sideloading" I suspect they are working on some kind of initial draft solution.
 
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