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Seriously, vote by mail? Talk about fraud.
With vote by mail done right, you have a verifiable paper trail for every single vote. The only way to commit fraud is to literally coerce or pay off individual voters.

Fraud at any scale simply isn't economically viable unless you attack the counting system itself, and that's what the paper trail is for.
 
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Why on earth is voting day on a Tuesday? Here in Oz, voting is, and always has been, on a Saturday. Polls open at 8 and close at 6. If you can't make it, you can arrange to pre-vote at a post office. In major centres, you can't spit without hitting a polling station. Voting is compulsory, so woe betide an employer that tries to get in the way of that.

We were the beta. Everyone knows there are bugs to work out in future releases.
 
They also need to move the day you pay your taxes the day before the elections. People may vote differently. Strange how it's nearly 6 months opposite. :rolleyes:
 
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Pretty cool of Apple. Just asking, so nobody freak out: wouldn’t the average work shift allow for a person to vote either before or after work?
For normal 9 to 5 jobs, yes. But in the US with the majority of low-income working 2 jobs or more. Having to taking care of their kids. This is a good move by these tech companies. If those in power really cared they would make is a federal holiday and for those who vote can deduct a percentage from their taxes. I believe Australia does something similar.
 
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Pretty cool of Apple. Just asking, so nobody freak out: wouldn’t the average work shift allow for a person to vote either before or after work?
Too many jurisdictions have different nuances to their voting rules for this to be the case. Check the differences in hours for polling places by state: https://ballotpedia.org/State_Poll_Opening_and_Closing_Times_(2020).
The US is famously nonstandardized, and it’s entirely feasible that someone with a regular shift job couldn’t make it from work to their assigned polling place in time, particularly if that person lacks private transportation. (I’m not saying that’s necessarily the case for Apple workers). To say nothing of those who don’t work standard shifts, work additional hours, or hold multiple jobs.

I also appreciate the idea that people might not have to rush in order to vote. Voting is the outcome of deliberation, and should therefore be deliberate.

In short, voting should not be a burden but a joy. More employers should help to promote positive voting experiences, with the help of more broadly supportive legislation — for instance maybe a company could write off PTO for voting from their corporate taxes.
(I do not think you were suggesting otherwise; I’m just stating my stance).
 
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Why on earth is voting day on a Tuesday? Here in Oz, voting is, and always has been, on a Saturday. Polls open at 8 and close at 6. If you can't make it, you can arrange to pre-vote at a post office. In major centres, you can't spit without hitting a polling station. Voting is compulsory, so woe betide an employer that tries to get in the way of that.
If you fail to vote you also get hit with a tax correct?
 
No, it wasn’t. If I lived in Canada and upset w/ how bad my country is and complaining about the voting system - I’d be asked to move.

You might want to re-read my comment. I said that Canada is possibly the best country in the world, but our electoral system isn’t perfect (there’s no such thing as a perfect system). What about that would prompt you to suggest that I should leave? 😂

It’s like when iPhone lovers point out any little imperfection and people reply, “if you don’t like it, get a Samsung!”
You can love something and still acknowledge that it’s not perfect. That’s how improvement happens.
 
I understand conservitism. I may not agree with all of its values (nor do I necessarily agree with all liberal values), but at least it's a consistent, fact-based worldview. What we have currently is reactionary populism, and that's a very different beast. It's unfortunate more people don't understand the difference.
I completely agree. I enjoy, for instance, considering much of what the Megan McArdles or—to a decreasing extent—Rich Lowrys have to offer.
 
That would seriously have to be the dumbest reason not to have it on a Saturday. Firstly, election staff are public servants. This is probably the only time for them to make any overtime wages at all. Secondly, no-one cares about reporters or pollsters. If their bosses want them to work, they work. Simples.

The proof that this works is that it has worked well and continues to work well.
I agree that suggesting the press and polling staff would need to be paid to work on is an absolutely stupid argument against not polling on weekends.

In case people haven’t noticed, the news is reported on 7 days a week already. News does get produced on weekends. And you know what, if they didn’t want to they could just not cover it, although that will obviously never happen. Sure they’ll have more staff in, they’ll also have 100x the viewership of normal.

As for polling staff, please. They have one or two weekends to work probably on average every two or three years.

Instead, to protect those two small little groups we have cases like this very article where companies are paying staff to be absent from work. Thats the best case. While they won’t be fired there’s staff at other places that might have to give up part of a shift to get to a poll, assuming they don’t do a postal vote. Yes some people work weekends normally but it’s a minority, there’s obviously going to be a far greater economic impact to mid week polling. You can see that quite result in the comments here about implications and requirements to allow people to take time off in voting day.

As you point out, it’s mandatory to vote in Australia and we get around a 99-point-something rate between a weekend poll and early mail in for those that can’t make it, and most businesses don’t have to worry about paying for staff to attend.
 
they‘ve been doing that for a long time - and frankly, all companies should. That said: in Europe, elections almost always happen on weekends when most people are off anyway. Perhaps that‘s a model the US could also adopt.
 
I think I might already know the answer, but Apple is not/can not verify what the employee does during that paid time off, right? I wonder how many of the employees who opt for the free paid time will actually go vote.
 
I think I might already know the answer, but Apple is not/can not verify what the employee does during that paid time off, right? I wonder how many of the employees who opt for the free paid time will actually go vote.
No way of knowing. But I don’t think Apple really cares if someone tries to scam them out of four hours pay.

Dishonest people eventually get caught.
 
I think I might already know the answer, but Apple is not/can not verify what the employee does during that paid time off, right? I wonder how many of the employees who opt for the free paid time will actually go vote.
Right. No one in the USA is compelled/required to vote, and it would be unacceptable for an employer to require proof.
 
As an Apple stockholder, I support it. As an American citizen, I think we should move elections to either Saturday or Sunday and/or have vote by mail for all or on request for any reason.

No matter what day of the week it is, some people will have work. It might lower the number that require accommodations though.
 
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All states will have two elections this year, a primary and the general. Some states, like Oklahoma and South Carolina, will have 4.
Some also have three, if they hold the presidential preference primary separate from the state primary like my home state of Missouri does (March and August, respectively).
 
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