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Well, Siri never succeeded in what it was sold as to the public. It's not about bashing Apple. I am just pointing out that neither Siri, nor AI have yet been successful by this company and it's surprising considering the resources they have.
Yes, I understand what you're saying, but as I wrote, there are certain technology limits that makes it irrelevant how much resources you have. And when it comes to LLMs that limit is 8GB of RAM. If you go a little deeper into LLMs world, you'll see that quality below a certain level of RAM falls off a cliff. You can be the richest company in the world and still not fit 2 liters of water into a one-liter bottle. That's more or less how it works.
 
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Yes, I understand what you're saying, but as I wrote, there are certain technology limits that makes it irrelevant how much resources you have. And when it comes to LLMs that limit is 8GB of RAM. If you go a little deeper into LLMs world, you'll see that quality below a certain level of RAM falls off a cliff. You can be the richest company in the world and still not fit 2 liters of water into a one-liter bottle. That's more or less how it works.

I see where we are going ...

Macbook Pro, now starting with 24GB of RAM
"Built for Apple Intelligence"
 
Where are those “Apple takes its time to release something “ people 🤣🤣
I probably was like one of these people lmao😆
For this though this is unacceptable. I doubt you find someone like this unless they are delusional or are on Apple’s payroll.
 
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Apple should not advertise features that aren't ready. Period.

Apple thought VisionPro and "spatial computing" were going to be the next big thing. The success and popularity of generative AI/LLMs surprised them. They rushed to implement AI in their products and overpromised with iOS 18 and the iPhone 16. They marketed features that were still in development and assumed they would be ready this year.

"Conversational Siri" was always the holy grail for Siri. It seems like it's still a ways away. They could've stated it as a future goal at WWDC, but they should not have said it was coming in iOS 18 when clearly it was not ready at all.
 
I see where we are going ...

Macbook Pro, now starting with 24GB of RAM
"Built for Apple Intelligence"
You can do a ton of things with 16GB RAM when it comes to LLMs. Most consumer graphics cards are 16GB VRAM with the top ones having 24GB VRAM. And most models really shine with 16GB VRAM. The difference between 8GB and 16GB VRAM is massive. It's not even close.

I predict Apple Intelligence 2.0 or whatever it's called will cut off the M1-M3 with 8GB of RAM.
 
Yes, I understand what you're saying, but as I wrote, there are certain technology limits that makes it irrelevant how much resources you have. And when it comes to LLMs that limit is 8GB of RAM. If you go a little deeper into LLMs world, you'll see that quality below a certain level of RAM falls off a cliff. You can be the richest company in the world and still not fit 2 liters of water into a one-liter bottle. That's more or less how it works.
I don’t disagree with the point you make here regarding technology limits, but it does sound like this massive, $multi-trillion corporation, reportedly capable of hiring “the best” in every technical and business discipline, was incapable of properly identifying hardware requirements for the technology they decided to move forward with, and incapable of identifying sensible milestones as prerequisites to marketing a product.

For some of us, recent rumors and reports call into question every angry statement I have seen in MR forums insisting that “Apple is big, has the best people, and can walk and chew gum at the same time” (paraphrased) as a response to a tongue-in-cheek comment about the latest announcement of new emojis.
 
And they should be fined for it!

This is coming from a huge Apple fan and supporter. But when the lies start becoming so egregious, I have to wonder how much they deserve my admiration.
Seems like Apple will do anything now to keep the money rolling in… Heaven forbid they have a bad quarter!
 
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I don’t disagree with the point you make here regarding technology limits, but it does sound like this massive, $multi-trillion corporation, reportedly capable of hiring “the best” in every technical and business discipline, was incapable of properly identifying hardware requirements for the technology they decided to move forward with, and incapable of identifying sensible milestones as prerequisites to marketing a product.

For some of us, recent rumors and reports call into question every angry statement I have seen in MR forums insisting that “Apple is big, has the best people, and can walk and chew gum at the same time” (paraphrased) as a response to a tongue-in-cheek comment about the latest announcement of new emojis.
I'll say it again. When it comes to software, there are certain limits that you can't get over, no matter how much resources you have. And yes, the problem is RAM, a hardware limitation that they created for themselves, it's their own fault, no one else's. I'm convinced, however, that the conflict arose internally, where accountants insisted on 8GB, and the R&D department demanded 16GB. In the past, they've always managed to get over the limits somehow, but not this time. Stubborn adherence to the limits meant that in the end they will lose more than they saved.
 
I’m disappointed of course. I wonder when they say fixing Siri would require more powerful hardware means fixing what they have now or if it means starting from scratch would require more powerful hardware?

Does that mean more memory/ ram is the boost they need? Or would a more powerful cpu be needed. Time will tell.
 
Told ya Siri needs to be dumped and an AI built from scratch. Something Apple isn't even close to doing yet and way behind. This whole narrative of it only needs 8gb of ram on device was hilarious from the start. Apple needs the cloud infrastructure and concept of an AI first. If anything they've left themselves vulnerable for an iphone killer to emerge.
 
I'll say it again. When it comes to software, there are certain limits that you can't get over, no matter how much resources you have. And yes, the problem is RAM, a hardware limitation that they created for themselves, it's their own fault, no one else's. I'm convinced, however, that the conflict arose internally, where accountants insisted on 8GB, and the R&D department demanded 16GB. In the past, they've always managed to get over the limits somehow, but not this time. Stubborn adherence to the limits meant that in the end they will lose more than they saved.
Adding to this one more thing. The RAM limits that Apple OS developers had to work with before the LLM era meant only advantages for the end consumer. The system had minimal size, minimal inertia, was snappy and one of the reasons why we were/are buying Apple products. In comparison, look at Windows - it's a bloated mess. This could also be one of the reasons management did not want to agree to base RAM increase, so that developers would not start delivering slop.
 
I upgraded from my SE3, which I loved, to the 16 only for the 8GB of RAM vs 4GB that the SE3 had. The main reason is that I have a lot of browser tabs that I keep open in both Safari and Brave. I got tired of them having to reload all the time. I also got tired of apps that I keep open reloading because Apple shuttled them off to storage to recover the memory they were using. There's a lot less browser tab reloading as well as app reloading now that I have 8GB of RAM.

I have no desire at this time to use any of the Apple AI features and have not enabled them. So this delay is fine by me, as I don't care. ;)

TBH, I thought I'd really miss Touch-ID vs Face-ID but turns out I don't.
 
Honestly, AI has been between bad and terrible on most platforms right now. From content creation, to questionable copyright issues, hallucinations, misinformation, etc. Please let this AI-fad blow over asap.
This. Gemini for example gives an incorrect response almost 100% of the time, yet Google claims that “ai is writing most of their code now”. Sure Jan.
 
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You start with bullet points, feed them into Apple Intelligence to generate a long, polished, typo-free email, then send it. The recipient, using their own Apple Intelligence, converts it back into bullet points for quick reading. It’s a perfect ecosystem.
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Honestly, AI has been between bad and terrible on most platforms right now. From content creation, to questionable copyright issues, hallucinations, misinformation, etc. Please let this AI-fad blow over asap.
As someone who is deep into AI and uses it daily to speed up my work by 10x it's amazing to see how some people still ignore it and think it's a passing fad.
I feel like I've gone back in time a quarter of a century, only the keyword "internet" was changed to "ai".
LLMs are not going anywhere, whether some like it or not. They are already unbelievably good and every month is another push of possibilities.

And for those who identify LLM/AI with text-to-text models. I recommend at least going to huggingface and seeing the LLMs categories. Heck, I'll paste it here for those who don't feel like checking:
Multimodal: Audio-Text-to-Text, Image-Text-to-Text, Visual Question Answering, Document Question Answering, Video-Text-to-Text, Visual Document Retrieval, Any-to-Any;
Computer Vision: Depth Estimation, Image Classification, Object Detection, Image Segmentation, Text-to-Image, Image-to-Text, Image-to-Image, Image-to-Video, Unconditional Image Generation, Video Classification, Text-to-Video, Zero-Shot Image Classification, Mask Generation, Zero-Shot Object Detection, Text-to-3D, Image-to-3D, Image Feature Extraction, Keypoint Detection;
Natural Language Processing: Text Classification, Token Classification, Table Question Answering, Question Answering, Zero-Shot Classification, Translation, Summarization, Feature Extraction, Text Generation, Text2Text Generation, Fill-Mask, Sentence Similarity;
Audio: Text-to-Speech, Text-to-Audio, Automatic Speech Recognition, Audio-to-Audio, Audio Classification, Voice Activity Detection;
Tabular: Tabular Classification, Tabular Regression, Time Series Forecasting;
Reinforcement Learning: Reinforcement Learning, Robotics;
Other: Graph Machine Learning
 
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I want money back for the 16 pro max, don’t advertise features that we won’t get
If Apple offered returns, I wonder how many people would return theirs just to go buy a brand new iPhone 16 again to have a new battery etc basically for free lol.
 
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