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Apple Pulls Some Disney and Pixar Titles From iTunes Store and iTunes in the Cloud [Updated]

markie said:
It's not theft, it's what you paid for. You purchase a license to the content, and to stream it as long as it's available, not for eternity. If you want to keep it, at the least download it, and even then you don't have protection forever since it's still only as long as the license server is available.
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Not sure this is true. Once the computer is "authorized" for playback, I don't believe it checks a server every time. Case and point, offline viewing. I can download titles into my laptop and watch them on a plane. iTunes has no internet connection while in flight to determine my license rights. The computer is already authorized to view all content associated with that specific Apple ID.
 
aced411 said:
It's not bad coding, Amazon is also effected. VUDU does not sell movies the same way as the other big players. When you buy from VUDU they guarantee you can stream the movie for as long as the service is available.
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well there goes my plan of having itunes as my primary digital store and ultraviolet as a secondary
 
the entire digital vault idea is flawed in this day and age. Sure, It worked when there was only physical media, but this will only encourage piracy instead of sales.
 
Every single technological problem people face today is solvable by doing things the way they were done ten years ago.

Sighhh.
 
alent1234 said:
well there goes my plan of having itunes as my primary digital store and ultraviolet as a secondary
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I seriously doubt this downtime of select movies will last very long. Plus, this has never really happened, at least to me. iTunes has been my digital only store for the last 4 years and this is the only time it's ever happened so this an extremely rare occurrence.
 
Disney can take stuff off sale, that makes perfect sense, but if we already gave you money to 'buy it' why can't you let us redownload it as a past purchase.

It's not like we can use it anywhere else or copy it illegally since there's DRM on it.

Makes me glad I bought The Lion King blu-ray which came with the digital copy vs the digital copy straight :/
 
Icaras said:
I'm not worried. Digital movies are becoming more and more important in this industry so they can't afford to scare off customers by robbing their confidence of the cloud away, like it's doing right now in this thread.

I fully expect this issue to be resolved by both Apple and Disney swiftly and to have my movies back soon.
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I totally agree, they will fix this fast as the future of this industry depends on it. That said though it proves how vulnerable cloud storage is. So yeah I see whats happening and I paying attention to it. My blue ray discs and player has just become that much more valuable to me.
 
xxBURT0Nxx said:
why do people blame apple for content that DISNEY removed??
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Disney (presumably) doesn't have direct write access to iTunes in the Cloud; only Apple should have the ability to remove previously-purchased titles from users. Disney may have asked for the content to be removed, but ultimately Apple chose to remove it, instead of fight.
 
coolfactor said:
I'm sure many others have already corrected you by now, but I'll do it, too. You never own art created by others, you purchase a license to "use" or "consume" it. In the pre-digital world, you owned by physical media, as no person or company could come and take that away from you, but in the digital era, unless you back up the files, they are not in your possession, you only have a license to enjoy them. That's what you paid for, and licenses can be terminated.

It is not theft, so don't spread this nonsense. Theft would be taking something that you own. So long as the files only live on Apple's servers and not in your home storage, then you have no rights to it outside of the license agreement.
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That is technically true. I read one particularly odd license agreement that basically, and in nearly the same words: "You own the media (DVD, CD, Disk) that 'the content' was delivered on. As such, your warranty is for just 'the media'. You do not, and never will own 'the content'." Well OK then...

The strange part of all that is that the actual people that produce 'the content' usually don't own it either. The lowly musician, as an example, is often covered by an agreement that says that the musician performs for 'the company' on an 'as needed' basis (or other such lawyery phrase) and is compensated for that performance. 'The company' owns the rights to said performance. All rights to said performance remain with 'the company'.

'The company' has gotten WAY too much control over 'the performers' 'performance' in my opinion... I think, in spite of what people I'm sure have said, there could be a case made against Disney and Apple for this. Get the right lawyer (lawyers) and the right court (wink wink) and Disney and Apple could be brought to heel...
 
coolfactor said:
I'm sure many others have already corrected you by now, but I'll do it, too. You never own art created by others, you purchase a license to "use" or "consume" it. In the pre-digital world, you owned by physical media, as no person or company could come and take that away from you, but in the digital era, unless you back up the files, they are not in your possession, you only have a license to enjoy them. That's what you paid for, and licenses can be terminated.

It is not theft, so don't spread this nonsense. Theft would be taking something that you own. So long as the files only live on Apple's servers and not in your home storage, then you have no rights to it outside of the license agreement.
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+1. Seems like you and I are part of the minority here with this kind of mindset.



roland.g said:
Not sure this is true. Once the computer is "authorized" for playback, I don't believe it checks a server every time. Case and point, offline viewing. I can download titles into my laptop and watch them on a plane. iTunes has no internet connection while in flight to determine my license rights. The computer is already authorized to view all content associated with that specific Apple ID.
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Yes but while the device is offline, in every scenario you mentioned the device had the content stored on it which is not what the article/thread is about. The situation it is referring to, is if your device no longer had a copy downloaded to it and you wanted to go into your purchased section and redownload it because you purchased it before. If Apple or the content creator had it removed from the store, then you would lose the ability to redownload that content.
 
Icaras said:
I seriously doubt this downtime of select movies will last very long. Plus, this has never really happened, at least to me. iTunes has been my digital only store for the last 4 years and this is the only time it's ever happened so this an extremely rare occurrence.
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either way i only buy the cloud version if its at a significant discount to the physical version. no reason to pay full price and put up with this nonsense
 
StephenCampbell said:
Every single technological problem people face today is solvable by doing things the way they were done ten years ago.

Sighhh.
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A 2 TB External drive cost about $100. That's pretty much all you need. This is why I will never pay companies like spotify and rdio. I don't care about the cloud, that's convenience. I care about having access to what I pay for, and the only way to guarantee that is to download the file.

People have to stop assuming companies are looking out for their best interests. They are not.
 
Icaras said:
I am fully aware of the vault, having gone through buying Disney movies from VHS, to DVD, to blu-ray, but so far that tradition has only been fully exercised in physical formats.

Movies and TV shows can ALWAYS be removed from the iTunes store to purchase, but the general policy on iTunes is that that purchase will remain on your iCloud account, even after being pulled from the store. This has already happened to some of the titles that I've owned on iTunes. They've been removed to buy or rent from the store, but it's still resides on my iCloud account for viewing.

If Disney were to pull movies back into the vault from iTunes, it doesn't mean they need to take away your purchases. Just for future purchases or renting.
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Disney, however, sees that as "renting" also in the future. Even if you purchase it, if its a streaming file, they see that as "renting" in the future.

They don't want that. It goes against the philosophy of Disney Vault.

Thankfully, Disney movies that I purchased through iTunes still has not been stored into the "vault", so as I type this, I'm downloading the file (including iTunes extras "DVD content") and putting those files into the Cloud Storage Drive and my external hard drive, so in event these files gets put into the "vault", I can re-add the movies to my main hard drive and iTunes library.
 
I find this disturbing if it's a permanent move, but I think people should hold fire until we actually know what is going on.

It is a bit tempting to gloat a little, as some have done about this being a peril of the cloud and relying on others to hold your data, and it's something I certainly have warned of in various threads. The relatively tiny collection of iTunes digital copies I've got (almost all as bonus incidental copies that came with Blu-ray versions or freebies from iTunes itself) are always downloaded and then archived locally just in case they go away online. If the move is permanent, it's not really Apple's fault so much as the content owners (i.e. Disney in this case).

But I don't want to gloat about it, because actually this is not cool for anyone, whatever our current preferences on video consumption. Because while I've defended and supported Blu-ray over the likes of iTunes for video distribution for all the reasons I need not repeat here, I have always conceded that one day, eventually, we will likely all consume video from online sources only, and this sets a (or adds to existing examples of a) terrible precedent. The terms *should be* quite clear that when you buy from iTunes, your purchase is accessible for re-downloading whenever you like.

Of course Disney have every right to pull content for sale in line with their silly 'vault' gimmickry like they've done on every home video format ever. But once you pay money to own a copy, that should be a clear line where Apple say 'ok Disney, that's akin to access to their VHS/DVD/BD copy - you can't pull that from them'. This is where Disney may have a technical legal right, but I'd argue not an ethical / moral right.

It's actually even worse than with physical media, where at least there are second hand sales on eBay etc if you miss a title during its period 'out of the vault'.

But again, let's maybe chill out a bit until we actually know they meant to act like the villains it seems like they have(!).
 
Ditto. This is why I do not buy movies from iTunes.

Maintaining a local storage system of 10TB+ just for movies is simply not worth the effort or cost, so the only two sensible choices for a movie collector are physical discs or on-demand cloud downloads. But until I can be guaranteed that my cloud movies will always remain available, I will not buy them that way.
 
Icaras said:
I seriously doubt this downtime of select movies will last very long. Plus, this has never really happened, at least to me. iTunes has been my digital only store for the last 4 years and this is the only time it's ever happened so this an extremely rare occurrence.
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I'm sure 90% of your content will be in the cloud for a long time..but this is how it goes. Contracts expire and occasionally licenses are revoked. If you are happy with the risk, I can accept that. If not, buy discs, download and keep your iTunes purchases locally or use Ultraviolet (provided UV doesn't go belly up).
 
Nermal said:
Disney (presumably) doesn't have direct write access to iTunes in the Cloud; only Apple should have the ability to remove previously-purchased titles from users. Therefore Apple chose to remove this content.
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Wrong... The copyright owners have all the control. Even if they did not go in and take the file off the server, one email to Apple would accomplish this task.
 
It's not just movies that are susceptible to this. Music and apps also! It's why Apple keeps bugging you to make your own backups.
 
Unbelievable!!

I am blown away by this incredulous act! Apple better get ready to PAY! I own(ed) both the Lion King and Beauty and the Beat via iTunes and they are now both gone from even my purchase history. I don't know who apple thinks they are but they won't get away with this!!!!
 
How is this news? It's been Disney's policy for decades.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disney_Vault said:
The "Disney Vault" is the term used by Walt Disney Studios Home Entertainment for its policy of putting home video releases of Walt Disney Animation Studios's animated features on moratorium. Each Disney film is available for purchase for a limited time, after which it is put "in the vault" and not made available in stores for several years until it is once again released.
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