I'm sure the people of the Republic of China (aka Taiwan) are happy to have missiles pointed at them by Communist China. Yes, Communist China are actually communists no matter how you put lipstick on that pig, and they are evil.
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I'm sure the people of the Republic of China (aka Taiwan) are happy to have missiles pointed at them by Communist China. Yes, Communist China are actually communists no matter how you put lipstick on that pig, and they are evil.
Sure... Whatever you believe. To mr China's sovereignty is more important than individual freedom. If Taiwan to declare independent, I will support full on war with Taiwan. Simple 99% Chinese people will support government.
I simply don't care whether communist or whatever, whoever can boring better life for it's citizen, I will support. Cutrently, the communist party did that and people aren't willing to change.
I don't really care if communist are evil, they are the ones who brought China to modernization and people are happy about that.
Aka.. just because people like you in US government, there is untrust between China and US. You guys think China is the ultimate enemy, we do not think this way. You and those old folks in Congress are they reason why tension between US and China happens.
There are communist sympathizers around every corner.
China hasn't been a communist country for a long time so do not link both together. It was inevitable for China to become second and soon largest economy by absolute numbers. China has more citizens than Europe and US together, do the math. How does that break down to per head? Well, far from being overly developed or bringing wealth to the average person. So what has communism brought the people? It has benefited mostly the top 5% while millions of people still suffer today and haven't benefitted at all.
When it comes to getting the job done and you are absolutely right. The Chinese government will ruthlessly move everyone out of the way if they want to push through with things. If you call efficient and fast moving, killing people, taking people's homes away and literally not give a fudge about people who live outside the larger cities, compared to inefficient and slow, then be my guest.
China benefits from having basically a dictatorship in place but only to a certain point and not forever - I agree with you on that one. They don't have to adapt to a western democracy; you make typical Chinese comments without knowing much yourself. You have a very simplistic view on the matter I have to say and I hear this from Chinese friends all the time. What is western democracy? There is no 'western democracy'. The US for instance is not a democracy in my eyes and the system works very different to most democracies in Europe.
China needs to find its own democratic system and perhaps something similar to what the US has might work. It is still a terrible "democracy" but somewhat better than a dictatorship.
To what extend. Chinese people are able to enjoy high speed train ride, great subway system, complex highway system within short period of time. We are more ckncerdnabout greater good than individual liberty. When country as whole poor and undeveloped, it is laughable to speak about individual liberty.
This is the difference between Chinese culture and Western culture. Chinese are more concerned about national as whole than indidivualism. Nation comes first then people comes later. Without a nation, individual is just a individual.
There is old Chinese saying:
国兴则家兴，民富则国强
Meaning when country is striving, families are striving. When people become wealth, country will be stronger. Poeple without united and strong nation will be subject to other nation's bullying.
Without strong government and nation back you, you are just a weak individual.
Therefore, it is lanuguable when Westerner point finger and forcing their idology to us.
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We are rational people and understand difference between two system. You on other hand just think your way of life is only way and refuse to acknowledge other way of life. Really, capitalism allows corporation suck people dry and collecting 90% wealth to top 1%.
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I agree. And there is NO LAW stating that companies must comply with the demands of the FBI regardless of what they ask. In China and Russia, there IS A LAW now that bans VPNs. Therefore, Apple must follow the law.
China is not a communist country (anymore), you should really look up what communist is.
The poster you replied to has it right!
Very good post, thank you.
China has some major problems to deal with in the future. They're not going to dominate manufacturing forever (maybe a couple more decades max) and they've already exhausted the ability of infrastructure spending to significantly boost their economy. Diminishing returns on the horizon...
Question for Chinese nationals, I believe it used to be common for affluent and tech savvy folks in China to have a VPN in their home set up. I know my friend who lives there had it. He needed it to do his tech focused job. Is that still true? So would your friend's wifi if you were visiting him be connected to a VPN which would allow your phone to go through a VPN?
I haven't been to China in years so I'm far from up to date on how things are going there. But when I last visited there were many illegal things that were consistently circumvented by the upper middle class. And I'm not talking about just the rich, I'm talking about folks making $100,000 a year (which goes a really long way in China).
I haven't been to China in years so I'm far from up to date on how things are going there. But when I last visited there were many illegal things that were consistently circumvented by the upper middle class. And I'm not talking about just the rich, I'm talking about folks making $100,000 a year (which goes a really long way in China).
Hate to tell ya but the US or any other technology advanced country with Nuclear capabilities would destroy the world with just a single launch of a ICMP missile. It wouldn't be the single launch of a ICMP missile but the retaliation from other countries that would destroy the world. No country is stupid enough to launch a ICMP at any country knowing that would be the end of civilization as we know it. Being tuff is so passe' now.
I have no quarrel with the PRC developing and asserting rightful claims. However, in addition to the PRC protecting North Korea from sanctions for developing nuclear weapons that will target the US, there is the issue of the PRC bullying its neighbours by building artificial land features in contested international waters. So you think the problem is the old folk in the US Congress? I think it might very well be the young folk in the PRC who have not experienced war and who do not understand its costs. The old folk in the US remember how the US entered into WWII, and that the US isolationism prior to its entry into WWII caused unimaginable suffering in Europe, Africa, and Asia (ironically people in China being among the hardest hit). As for the PRC's motivations, this is much more complex than the PRC building a better life for the PRC's people. Your expressed willingness to go to war with the ROC to protect 'sovereignty' over a people who do not want to be ruled by the PRC is a case in point. You 'don't think this way' of having 'ultimate' enemies indeed.
It's not a matter of hating because I don't hate Apple or Tim. But I am extremely dismayed at the inconsistency of Tim using the bully pulpit he has as CEO of Apple to (rightfully) call out certain kinds of injustice in the United States, but he lets slime like Jimmy Iovine brag about promoting the likes of R. Kelly on Apple Music when it suits their purpose.
Which reminds me... Apple heavily promotes music genres originated by black artists and uses many black models and actors in their ads to support their image of diversity. Nice work on the optics there to appeal to the black community. But I feel their efforts lack real substance for black Americans, especially in light of Tim's talk of commitment to investing in China and all the stores it opens in places with anti LGBT and misogynistic values that Tim often rails against very strongly.
For example, I was raised and lived most of my life in PG County Maryland, which has become home to one of the largest affluent African-American populations in the entire country. There was some malaise and crime as our malls died out in the 80's and 90's, but retail is once again booming here. There is no Apple Store here. Residents have to go to neighboring counties.
Why does a country like Dubai that abides by elements derived from sharia law get an Apple Store before a predominantly black county full of educated black professionals? Even the IRS located its HQ here. If they are all in on diversity, put one of their precious stores in a majority black county so people don't have to burn gas in heavy Maryland traffic to get to one. The money is there. Strangely, the many Apple stores we do have in Maryland are all in predominantly white or mixed demographics. Hmmm.
Better yet, put in one of their R&D facilities here for their healthcare product development. The location could be prime because it is right next to D.C. and accesible to prestigious research facilities like Johns Hopkins which is advantageous on many fronts. Our doctors and researchers are very diverse. And the black community in Maryland at large is going big into jobs in the healthcare field and senior care. Opening a store here and investing in our education and jobs would do something very solid for the minorities they are currently reaching out to in image only. And would enable more people here to ditch their cheap Samsungs and buy iPhones. We don't have the cultural and political and practical barriers to buying iPhones. We just often lack the income.
I'm sure there are people living in other parts of the country or other hospitable countries who could make similar observations about the lack of Apple retail presence and investment where it would be most welcome and repaid in purchase of Apple products.
Everyone talks like Apple has already sold every Apple product it can to every last American or Canadian or South American or European or Vietnamese or Korean that it can and now it has to be all about China or bust. I'm getting a little tired of hearing about Tim whining about the money pit in China when there's still so much untapped potential elsewhere.
That "We are all in on China--why aren't you buying out iPhones" vibe Tim gives off concerns me. It looks like he thinks he can buy their loyalty. He should know that's not how it works over there.
There was a forum member who posted on a different thread exactly how poor Apple has been at implementing services in China. I'm worried that Tim just doesn't get what he's really facing with such a different culture. He thinks throwing more money and commitment at the problem is going to help, but not if that money is not giving the Chinese a product they can actually use. They will thank him for the jobs and go out and buy a Huawei and WeChat because it suits their needs better.
I don't advocate Apple pulling out of China, but I wish they would invest smarter there so the Chinese are happier with their Apple products and I wish Apple would stop ignoring opportunities in countries and communities that already share our ideals.
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I have no quarrel with the PRC developing and asserting rightful claims. However, in addition to the PRC protecting North Korea from sanctions for developing nuclear weapons that will target the US, there is the issue of the PRC bullying its neighbours by building artificial land features in contested international waters. So you think the problem is the old folk in the US Congress? I think it might very well be the young folk in the PRC who have not experienced war and who do not understand its costs. The old folk in the US remember how the US entered into WWII, and that the US isolationism prior to its entry into WWII caused unimaginable suffering in Europe, Africa, and Asia (ironically people in China being among the hardest hit). As for the PRC's motivations, this is much more complex than the PRC building a better life for the PRC's people. Your expressed willingness to go to war with the ROC to protect 'sovereignty' over a people who do not want to be ruled by the PRC is a case in point. You 'don't think this way' of having 'ultimate' enemies indeed.
Oh yeah... I do know the cost of the war... I am fully aware the cost.... Therefore, there is no war unless so called Taiwan goes full on independent.
China is not bullying with anyone. We are simply protecting our land. Just like you US folks protect your land and safety. You guys call China bully while you guys have military base everywhere and flying your spy plan all over us. And you US folks think you guys are the one protecting world order? Give me a break.
While you guys join with South Korea and threating North Korea. The whole thing is US trying to cook up conflict and use this as opportunity to have US military presence at Korea. Who are you kidding? You guys building anti-messile defense system in South Korea, who is targeting to? It is obvious China and Russia? Should China just give up North Korea and have US military presence right at our border? **** no. We support North Korea because we need concern about our security. So don't give us **** about how we run our country.
US is the country that go around the world and tell other nation what to do. Not China. Wherever US military presence, there are chaos and disorder.
We are standing up our way of life and we support our government at fullest.
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This is exactly the problem not only Apple faces but also all international companies faces. Two biggest smartphone player Apple and Samsung are sinking in China while Xiaomi, Huawei and Oppo are on the rise.
Therefore, Apple and Samsung need hire local and learn from other players. iOS need to be diversified to fit local tradition.
Examples: Chinese phone makers all have feature built in for blocking and restricting unwanted calls. Also they have feature that tells user location of originated calls. iOS and stock Android simply don't work well in China, people in China choose other phone simply because other phone makers know what Chinese consumer want.
Why can't Taiwan be independent? China is huge, what's the big deal letting Taiwan be independent? I never understood what the big deal was.
And you say we are the bullies. We are and so is China. I really feel for the smaller countries that must be sick of feeling like pawns with us, Russia and China always playing huge games of "chicken" with each other around the little countries. The little countries are lovely and unique and have a right to their culture and heritage. I wish their borders weren't always at peril. It makes me sick at the way things are because my country and your country and Russia are immature paranoid wretched excuses for world leadership. It's 2017 and we all should be reaching for the stars TOGETHER but that's probably several generations away, if we don't all nuke ourselves into extinction first.
US bases are in countries with their permission. We are not damaging the environment and ignoring international courts by creating artificial landing strips in the middle of the sea. Or do you suggest that these land features are still just emergency runways for civilian aircraft, as originally and laughably claimed by the PRC?
As for North Korea, let us remember the history of that original conflict. As I seem to recall, it didn't start with the US invading North Korea. Indeed, since the armistice, when has the US invaded North Korea or the PRC? I'll give you a hint: this is not a picture of the US invading the PRC.
(source: Jeff Widener, Associated press, link)
I get that you are proud of your country, and there is reason to be proud, but you also seem to believe that the PRC is immune to its leadership getting drunk on power. It isn't.
Why can't Texas go full on independent? Because Taiwan is by law part of China and international body recognize this.
Hell even annocing independent will violate ita own Constitution. ROC Constitution state Taiwan is part of ROC and ROC is all mianland China plus Mongolia plus Hong Kong Plus Mcaccu Plus Taiwan. Taiwan wants go independent, then they need people from above the regions agree.
With regarding to Taiwan, it is entirely Chinese internal matter. Taiwan is not a country and it will never be one.
Ah, thanks for presenting your point of view as a Chinese. I respectfully propose to disagree that the situation between Taiwan and China is quite the same as that of Texas and the larger USA. Taiwan's history and situation is quite a bit more unique than that.
monitoring people's lives is sickening to me, and banning them from protecting it is even worse. This is like forcing people to build homes with transparent walls.
This is reaching slavery status. Even if you are not Chinese or Russian, other Govt. will follow suit the the excuse that "China and Russia are doing it". I really wonder if govt. are mentally ill enough o read every message, email, snail mail, and phone conversation out there.
This is reaching slavery status. Even if you are not Chinese or Russian, other Govt. will follow suit the the excuse that "China and Russia are doing it". I really wonder if govt. are mentally ill enough o read every message, email, snail mail, and phone conversation out there.
US bases are in countries with their permission. We are not damaging the environment and ignoring international courts by creating artificial landing strips in the middle of the sea. Or do you suggest that these land features are still just emergency runways for civilian aircraft, as originally and laughably claimed by the PRC?
As for North Korea, let us remember the history of that original conflict. As I seem to recall, it didn't start with the US invading North Korea. Indeed, since the armistice, when has the US invaded North Korea or the PRC? I'll give you a hint: this is not a picture of the US invading the PRC.
(source: Jeff Widener, Associated press, link)
I get that you are proud of your country, and there is reason to be proud, but you also seem to believe that the PRC is immune to its leadership getting drunk on power. It isn't.
Yeah... Your solider just go other countries and rape their ladies...Remember the big protest from Japanede citizens? You guys force Japanese government accept US land US military plan where almost all local people are against. Remember protest from South Korean people with regarding anti-messile defense system?
We are simply exerice our terrorial right when we build artificial land. There is nothing wrong with that.
As North Korea, the tension between North and South has been tensified by endless Military exercises. Of cours North Korea are annoyed.
Look the communist party are full of corrupted politician. We all know that and Chinese people know that. But we are still supporting our government because it is only party that brought China to modernization. We saw the political chaos in Taiwan and know that we can't guarantee other solution will work.
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Look... Texas was from which country? Mixco. There are Texas independent movement. Does your government ever accepting Texas independent? I don't think so.
Taiwan has been part of China since sever hundreds years ago. They speak Chinese, write in Chinese, Chinese heritage is their root. Taiwan was part of China and is part of China and will remain be part of China in the future.
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No they don't. Not single government had resources and money to read everyone's email.
I'll add one more to the list: leave this forum alone. If they don't like Apple, go away.