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..and yet that somehow gives China a pass on forced abortions for female babies. You're disgusting.

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...and this is related to Apple removing some VPN apps from their China iTunes because [input answer here].


IMHO:
  • it's bad press, obviously
  • Apple had no choice, or have iTunes China banned completely
  • There are plenty of other options, so the impact is minimal
 
Denying an abortion is nowhere near as bad as forcing one on someone. I'm sorry that you don't see that.

It is when the latter no longer happens. Why does America get a free pass on owning slaves? Or the UK? Lets find a country that doesn't have a bad history and make them the leaders of the world and have done with it, eh?
 
So I'm really unsure why you thing forcing user to sign in ink solves any issue or makes anything better?
The world would be much better (and let me emphasize much better) if companies weren't allowed to store your data without paper and ink contract, because such increased difficulty to get permission to store your data would lower significantly the number of companies that menace our privacy. I'm not saying I don't want online shopping, and online business, but all my data always on my own storage only. All the info needed for online shopping could be stored in your computer. Not to mention private info, like the place I parked my car this morning, the gift search I just performed, the photos (with GPS location) I took on my holiday, etc, etc... companies are able to store (and process) all your private data just because "you agree by using their services". No please, the world would be much better if they had to beg you to sign a paper contract to store a single bit of your data.

But people don't care... they give all their private life for free, they don't even know what the "cloud" is. It's sad and worrying the direction we are going.
 
The world would be much better (and let me emphasize much better) if companies weren't allowed to store your data without paper and ink contract, because such increased difficulty to get permission to store your data would lower significantly the number of companies that menace our privacy. I'm not saying I don't want online shopping, and online business, but all my data always on my own storage only. All the info needed for online shopping could be stored in your computer. Not to mention private info, like the place I parked my car this morning, the gift search I just performed, the photos (with GPS location) I took on my holiday, etc, etc... companies are able to store (and process) all your private data just because "you agree by using their services". No please, the world would be much better if they had to beg you to sign a paper contract to store a single bit of your data.

But people don't care... they give all their private life for free, they don't even know what the "cloud" is. It's sad and worrying the direction we are going.

Nope. I don't think you ever took Contracts in law school. A valid contract or user agreement is a valid contract or user agreement. Doesn't matter how it's ratified. You do realize that under some conditions verbal contracts are valid and enforceable, right?

Users must consent to letting a company store their data. It's not by right. If you don't want a company storing your data either opt-out or don't consent. Whether you consent by pen or keyboard is irrelevant. The terms of the agreement are exactly the same. What you are suggesting only prolongs the time required to process the agreement. The outcome is exactly the same. Either way the consumer agrees to the terms.

The idea companies are going to "beg" consumers to sign a contact is ridiculous. As the example I made earlier, a car rental company requires you to sign an agreement at the airport. They don't "beg" the customer to sign the agreement. The customer wants the car, they sign. They don't want the car, they don't sign. Now some rental agencies let you "check in" via an app and you and electronically sign the agreement. Please tell me what the ultimate difference is there other than one schmoe had to wait in line and the other did not.
 
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Do you find it acceptable for such a vocal CEO that preaches freedom of values and freedom to access information and freedom to privacy in their home country, but to recognize the COMPLETE OPPOSITE in another country in which they don’t reside but still rely on for their financial success? And how do you leap from my post to an assumption that I “hate” gay rights? Finally, are you suggesting that the Chinese government is correct in that its citizens should not have access to “foreign” opinions or unlimited access to the Internet?

Just a quickie because it’s all this way of thinking deserves;
-Tim Cook lives in America. His company is based in America.
-People with that “women in America shouldn’t care about feminism in America because it’s worse in the Middle East” attitude only seem to care about point scoring rather than humanitarian reasons. Maybe you do or don’t. It’s up to Chinese companies to make a difference in their country.
-LGBT people exist in those countries too, Apple should be allowed to sell to them.
 
-LGBT people exist in those countries too, Apple should be allowed to sell to them.

Interesting factoid: in China, Product(RED) watch bands, cases, iPhones are merely red. And the Pride watch band is sold as "rainbow" coloured.
 
It is when the latter no longer happens. Why does America get a free pass on owning slaves? Or the UK? Lets find a country that doesn't have a bad history and make them the leaders of the world and have done with it, eh?
Because if you dig into everyone's history, nobody's innocent. History is riddled with bad actors who tarnish the reputation of an entire nation. Are they symptoms of a national sickness, or an individual one? That's always been the question. Was Hitler just being "overly Germanic" (I know he was Austrian), or was he the exception to an otherwise peaceful people? Was Tojo an example of the average Japanese citizen, or an outlier? Does America take the blame for slavery, or do the individuals who owned slaves deserve the blame? It really depends on how you look at causality. The reality is that countries change with time. Neither the north, nor the south in the United States have any significant racist tendencies anymore. This was obviously not true at the birth of our nation. Do the sons have to pay for the sins of their fathers? When does it end? By this definition, are we not all guilty of some sort of sin, at some point in our ancestry? It's more a philosophical question, than anything else, and you can make a case for both sides. I prefer to let the past be the past, and to work on making a better tomorrow, rather than wallow in that which cannot be changed.
 
I prefer to let the past be the past, and to work on making a better tomorrow, rather than wallow in that which cannot be changed.

Then why are you dwelling on forced abortion, when it - like all those other examples - is a characteristic of the past?
 
Then why are you dwelling on forced abortion, when it - like all those other examples - is a characteristic of the past?
Because you are mistaken. They still happen. Do your research. It would be nice if what you said is correct, but wishing can’t make it so.

China has set up what amounts to a political Potemkin village, in which they appear to have similar values to us, but in reality they are trampling on the human rights of their people every day.
 
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Nope. I don't think you ever took Contracts in law school. A valid contract or user agreement is a valid contract or user agreement. Doesn't matter how it's ratified. You do realize that under some conditions verbal contracts are valid and enforceable, right?

Users must consent to letting a company store their data. It's not by right. If you don't want a company storing your data either opt-out or don't consent. Whether you consent by pen or keyboard is irrelevant. The terms of the agreement are exactly the same. What you are suggesting only prolongs the time required to process the agreement. The outcome is exactly the same. Either way the consumer agrees to the terms.

The idea companies are going to "beg" consumers to sign a contact is ridiculous. As the example I made earlier, a car rental company requires you to sign an agreement at the airport. They don't "beg" the customer to sign the agreement. The customer wants the car, they sign. They don't want the car, they don't sign. Now some rental agencies let you "check in" via an app and you and electronically sign the agreement. Please tell me what the ultimate difference is there other than one schmoe had to wait in line and the other did not.
You don't want to understand that what I'm saying is that storage and processing of user data should be allowed only under very unpleasant and annoying paper contracts (i.e.: the simple use of a service without ink signature shouldn't be enough by Law for that). The goal is simple: Forcing companies to either desist in their online business, or accepting to store your data in a storage you own and only in the exact moment when you accept a transaction. If everything worked like that, the world would be much better, and nobody would think of VPN tricks except criminals.
 
You don't want to understand that what I'm saying is that storage and processing of user data should be allowed only under very unpleasant and annoying paper contracts (i.e.: the simple use of a service without ink signature shouldn't be enough by Law for that). The goal is simple: Forcing companies to either desist in their online business, or accepting to store your data in a storage you own and only in the exact moment when you accept a transaction. If everything worked like that, the world would be much better, and nobody would think of VPN tricks except criminals.

No, you don't understand. There are two kinds of contracts: verbal and express. Express means there is written word and you "sign" to show you agree with those words in the document. There is zero difference between physically signing an agreement that states a company can store user data and one that is electronically signed. ZERO.

A contracts is an agreement by two more parties. All parties must agree to the writing (among other elements) for it to be valid. In your instance it's up to the user to understand what he or she is agreeing to before they give consent be it with pen and hand or keyboard and fingers.

So what you are talking about is sheer gobbledygook. It makes no sense from either a public policy perspective, a legal perspective, or an efficiency perspective.
 
I'd like to commend Apple for recognizing that the slaves who toil away making products for us have absolutely no use for any freedom, much less on the silly Internet. Thanks for sticking it to them a bit harder, Tim!

The world needs cheap labor - China supplies it and we all buy it, keeping that country's fat cats nice and happy.

Then we get really mad at our fat cats - and we NEED to keep those Chinese working hard to produce all of these machines so we can voice OUR disapproval of the terrible things our fat cats do to US - using the devices our fat cats pay their fat cats to enslave them to produce. Who CARES whose money it is? The fat cats can always just print up new money.

After all, unlike those strange people who live in some ancient stone age producing products they can't even possibly understand (bwahahahaha!!!), all of us do have unfettered access to the Internet!

Yeah, we normally just use it for porn and buying stuff - but, if we get angry enough, WATCH OUT! We can post angry screeds and stuff that make change happen, as evidenced by the election we just had providing us the CHOICE between giant dbag and t-sandwich. The dbag won that one, but the t-sandwich was most popularest of all. That progress and change is just around the corner, as long as we all stay vigilant on our computers like the people in Venezuela who are not quite as different.

Chinese are not even close to white - who knows? who cares? - and they live in some weird country that's, like, really far away. They just work really hard for us and can actually SURVIVE on food we only order out like once every couple of weeks, and even it's pretty cheap, just like all of them who aren't as good as us.

So thanks, Apple. I'm just glad I never have to deal with anyone crying on my shoulder about how their life sucks producing the stuff I need to use to complain about how much MY life sucks.

¡Viva la Revolución!
 
I'd like to commend Apple for recognizing that the slaves who toil away making products for us have absolutely no use for any freedom, much less on the silly Internet. Thanks for sticking it to them a bit harder, Tim!

The world needs cheap labor - China supplies it and we all buy it, keeping that country's fat cats nice and happy.

Then we get really mad at our fat cats - and we NEED to keep those Chinese working hard to produce all of these machines so we can voice OUR disapproval of the terrible things our fat cats do to US - using the devices our fat cats pay their fat cats to enslave them to produce. Who CARES whose money it is? The fat cats can always just print up new money.

After all, unlike those strange people who live in some ancient stone age producing products they can't even possibly understand (bwahahahaha!!!), all of us do have unfettered access to the Internet!

Yeah, we normally just use it for porn and buying stuff - but, if we get angry enough, WATCH OUT! We can post angry screeds and stuff that make change happen, as evidenced by the election we just had providing us the CHOICE between giant dbag and t-sandwich. The dbag won that one, but the t-sandwich was most popularest of all. That progress and change is just around the corner, as long as we all stay vigilant on our computers like the people in Venezuela who are not quite as different.

Chinese are not even close to white - who knows? who cares? - and they live in some weird country that's, like, really far away. They just work really hard for us and can actually SURVIVE on food we only order out like once every couple of weeks, and even it's pretty cheap, just like all of them who aren't as good as us.

So thanks, Apple. I'm just glad I never have to deal with anyone crying on my shoulder about how their life sucks producing the stuff I need to use to complain about how much MY life sucks.

¡Viva la Revolución!
what kind of porn? heard midget porn is half way decent :p

so, don't buy apple products or anything else made in China and be happy, wait, are you just ranting on a Friday no less? happy hour is almost here, time to tackle some real 1st world problems like , what movie will I watch this weekend, where in this beautiful country will I go to if I decide on a weekend escapade, should I hit the gym to exercise since I have plenty of time off or just get on the bike trail and enjoy the scenes? decisions decisions.........
 
what kind of porn? heard midget porn is half way decent :p

so, don't buy apple products or anything else made in China and be happy, wait, are you just ranting on a Friday no less? happy hour is almost here, time to tackle some real 1st world problems like , what movie will I watch this weekend, where in this beautiful country will I go to if I decide on a weekend escapade, should I hit the gym to exercise since I have plenty of time off or just get on the bike trail and enjoy the scenes? decisions decisions.........

This is America - if I wanna be hypocritical, I *#*@ well CAN!!!!

Power to the... well, power to people who self-identify most like me and stuff that shows how smarter I am.

If those Chinese workers get on my Facebook - there's like so many of them and what if they all unlike me? That would make me feel like such a twit.
 
This is America - if I wanna be hypocritical, I *#*@ well CAN!!!!

Power to the... well, power to people most like me and stuff.

If those Chinese workers get on my Facebook - there's like so many of them and what if they all unlike me? That would make me feel like such a twit.
I like Chinese, if I'm ever single again I might date one or 10 :D
 
I like Chinese ...

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Who peed in your oatmeal?

There I was - just looking for an image of a Quaker, when I found out...

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Silly Chinese could NEVER come up with that.

GET BACK TO WORK!!! I'm headin' to the lube -

WAIT!!!!!! If our lube is made in China... my unwanted child is... GRAAAHHHHHRRRRR!!!!!

They skimped on spermicide again. I need to find out the shipping on sending little Jimmy back where they made me make him on purpose... and I better get a discount now that he's gonna be over there - I should, right?

Those lousy fat cats!!!
 
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There I was - just looking for an image of a Quaker, when I found out...


Silly Chinese could NEVER come up with that.

GET BACK TO WORK!!! I'm headin' to the lube -

WAIT!!!!!! If our lube is made in China... my unwanted child is... GRAAAHHHHHRRRRR!!!!!

They skimped on spermicide again. I need to find out the shipping on sending little Jimmy back where they made me make him on purpose... and I better get a discount now that he's gonna be over there - I should, right?

Those lousy fat cats!!!

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