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My condolences...It must be very difficult going thru life knowing how things should work and yet nothing seems to work that way. Of course it's not you who might be seeing or doing things wrong, or expecting too much...Hmmm

It's hard to see how I could be using iTunes incorrectly. Half the features simply don't work in iTunes 11. Expecting too much? If expecting it to simply work correctly is expecting too much that I don't hold out much hope for the future of Apple software. The current version of iTunes is a train wreck. Pure and simple. I've spent a lot of money downloading films and tv shows and audiobooks. I think that at least qualifies me to express an opinion. You might be happy with crap software but I'm not. We obviously have different standards.
 
iRadio is not even an Apple product and all the rumors of what their streaming service may be is pure speculation.

Save the complaining if/when an actual service gets released.

What? The clue is in the name my friend MacRumours. You know what a rumour is don't you? Of course it's pure speculation. I'm constantly amazed at the number of idiots who post stupid comments like the one above.

THIS IS A RUMOURS WEBSITE FFS. :mad::mad::mad::mad::mad:
 
I keep reading a lot of reports and comments in the tech world about the new iRadio service which is suppose to be responsible for delivering Apple Inc's new great product. The problem? This is one no one is talking about and that is one word and one word only: Genius. If Apple expects to launch this radio service, is it really going to be at the expense of using its genius technology? I beg to differ. The service is so underprivileged and neglected by Apple engineers to move forward a great technology. The feature doesn't work on new music, even popular music. Unless they have fixed this issue and are holding off for the launch to release the fix to users, iRadio is looking to bomb from Day 1. When you can make genius playlists from the most popular songs of the year on your phone, there's something happening that no one is talking about. Spotify and Pandora are effective because especially Pandora has generated years of experience to perform their services at best with the best music powering their playlist of music. They have musicologists to make sure their music plays the best music even with newer music. It's something people will either talk now or later about but this is what I see as a huge problem, not the deals. The deals will come around. If you notice, Sony loves Apple. As a matter of fact, the label has the most music Mastered for iTunes than any other label. Give it a try.
 
This seems more like follow the leader, rather than leader of the gang.

Except we don't know a thing about Apple's service other than its coming soon. It's a bit premature to say Apple is playing follow the leader especially with Apple's history of reinventing & redefining existing products. In a week we might have details and can intellectually dissect then. It will need to differentiate itself feom Pandora, etc or it will be a "me too" service but too soon to to tell yet.
 
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I said for one year per device. Right now these music services all cost between $5 and $10 / month. So Apple would be giving you $60 - $120 worth of unlimited music streaming for each device you buy from them. For people like me who buy an Apple product a year, I'd never have to pay for music again. For people who buy an iPhone every 3 years, well, they'd have to pay for music sometimes.

Would be an interesting pricing model. Expensive iPhone or iPad comes with 3 years free music, cheaper iPhone with 2 years, cheapest with one year. On the other hand, extending iTunes Match could be interesting as well.

I think there would have to be the question whether you can cache music and/or download over WiFi. Free music over 3G would turn out to be very expensive for most people. At the rates my phone company charges data, they would _gladly_ give me as much "free" music as I want over 3G as long as I pay for the data.
 
why would Apple announce a streaming music service at a developer conference?

Um... maybe because its PART of Apple OSes, you know those bits of code developers base their products around & hook into. Also because its cheap advertising since WWDC keynotes are well attended by industry & general press reporters.
 
Here are the maths for you:
I'm an artist with my own label and I make $0.0004 for one play on spotify. From one sale on iTunes I collect $0.637

How could anybody ever hope to make a living recording educational music for children? Keep your day job or take up pop music.
 
Interesting to read so many posts from spotify users and those that seem to think it's down to the labels to change their ways and better represent artists.

Here are the maths for you:
I'm an artist with my own label and I make $0.0004 for one play on spotify. From one sale on iTunes I collect $0.637

For those that think minimal cost or free streaming is such a great a great idea I'm genuinely interested in how you think I am going to make sufficient money for me to be able to record another album?

Tim

The Magic Crayons - educational music for children

$0.0004 for one play?

Got a source for that because you're way off?

Because, from those who provide sources, it's about $0.005 per play

http://thetrichordist.com/2012/04/23/streaming-price-index-123111/

$0.00535 per stream ($4,277.39 for 798,783 total streams - July to Dec 2011)


http://www.bernieschmidt.com/blog/2011/11/music-distributor-pulls-234-labels-from-spotify-rdio/

0.00450 per stream ($3,376 for 750,000 total streams)

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http://www.digitalmusicnews.com/permalink/2012/120604youtube

Zune
15,159 plays
Payout = $437.58
$0.028 per song
Ratio = 25:1 iTunes Song Download

Napster
30,238 plays
Payout = $479.07
$0.016 per song
Ratio = 43:1 iTunes song download.

Rhapsody
50,822 plays
Payout = $668.57
$0.013 per song
Ratio = 53:1 iTunes song download.

Spotify
798,783 plays.
Payout = $4,277.39
$0.005 per song.
Ratio = 140:1 iTunes Song Download
 
Apple should launch an unlimited music service for free with a purchase of iDevice.

/s

I seriously hope the service is more like Spotify than Pandora.

Now THAT is a killer feature. Here's hoping that iRadio isn't just another Pandora clone. I stopped using that service when Spotify came to the US.
 
Hardly misinformation. Think for a second. When would it make sense for Apple to release an android app? When it can make money without compromising the money being made on iOS. Not really rocket science.

Yuo twisted his words which are "if it makes sense" to fit your agenda. That is all. There are no apps made by Apple for Android free or paid, so there are no grounds to draw conslusions from. What you did is just guessing and prejudice. All in all steaming pile of *********.
 
I wish they were designing this more like Spotify and less like Pandora. I'm don't know anybody who prefers the Pandora/similar-artists radio model over the artist on-demand model of Spotify.
 
Don't they make most of their money from the shows themselves though? I would imagine a reasonable percentage of the ticket fee would go to the house, but the rest is for the band, right? I'm not sure, just curious/speculating.

I could see how the merch sales can cover touring costs. Record sales is another story, in an age where buying individual songs seems to be the popular choice for most. I would imagine over the years that selling individual songs only (in an extreme case) in the long run leaves a lot of money on the table, no?

It totally depends. For major artists, yeah they'll have deals that guarantee a certain take of the ticket sales. For indie/smaller artists, they're at the mercy of whatever venue they're at. Many smaller clubs will only give money to the bands after they meet a certain amount of revenue from ticket and liquor sales. Generally the take is pretty small, and usually gradated so the headliner gets the biggest take, the opening band the smallest. But they're all taking a pretty small portion of the pie.

Album and song sales are still the lifeblood of the music artist. These streaming services don't begin to make up for that revenue.
 
I can definitely see the value in an iRadio service. may not be that different to things like Pandora, but it will seamlessly work with iTunes which is its biggest advantage.

I just hope they announce some changes to iTunes Match as well. Hopefully so you can manage what gets uploaded. Or upping the limit of 25k songs.
 
It's hard to see how I could be using iTunes incorrectly. Half the features simply don't work in iTunes 11. Expecting too much? If expecting it to simply work correctly is expecting too much that I don't hold out much hope for the future of Apple software. The current version of iTunes is a train wreck. Pure and simple. I've spent a lot of money downloading films and tv shows and audiobooks. I think that at least qualifies me to express an opinion. You might be happy with crap software but I'm not. We obviously have different standards.


"We obviously have different standards"
Yes, it's a simple case of you seeing the glass half empty, while I see the glass half full. The actual glass contains the same amount of water for both of us. ;)
 
Doesn't make any sense to me. There are literally hundreds of radio stations already on iTunes which nobody listens to. All the streaming services already have radio type services. And with those you don't have to pay any extra to listen to a song or album if you hear something you like.

Either go down the subscription streaming route to compete with the likes of Spotify and Rdio or add lossless content and continue with the download to own option to compete with CDs. iRadio is neither one thing nor the other and as such will ultimately die through lack of interest just like Ping did.

Every day I struggle to use iTunes with its laggy interface, it's total inability to perform sensible searches and its multitude of bugs which mean that even the simplest of tasks like going back and forth between pages no longer works. Apple have lost the plot with iTunes and somebody (we all know who) should follow Forstall out of the door, so he can drive off into the sunset in his Ferrari.

I also am totally confused as to what value such a so-called iRadio service could bring considering the already crowded space in that domain, as well as iTunes's already existing Radio function, which literally has hundreds of radio stations for every taste, and is totally fine, works great, sometimes has ads and sometimes doesn't.

And I certainly hope they will not get the stupid idea of discontinuing that feature, which has always being one of the best features in iTunes.
 
I also am totally confused as to what value such a so-called iRadio service could bring considering the already crowded space in that domain, as well as iTunes's already existing Radio function, which literally has hundreds of radio stations for every taste, and is totally fine, works great, sometimes has ads and sometimes doesn't.

And I certainly hope they will not get the stupid idea of discontinuing that feature, which has always being one of the best features in iTunes.

I think the current iTunes radio stations will be a gonna if they launch iRadio.

As usual with Apple it's all about money and control. They probably don't make any money from the current radio streams, with iRadio they can control it and sell the ads directly. Plus some people are bound to listen and buy tracks they hear all without ever leaving iTunes.

Fortunately there are plenty of other internet radio aggregators. I'm using TuneIn right now and the sound quality is good. It's much better than iTunes radio as you can find stations by genre, country, city, etc. Give it a try. :D
 
I don't get why they'll be chraging money for this, it doesn't seem like a good enough product. I think I'll stick with the free music streaming music I'm using now, Torch Music, because to be honest it works perfectly well.
 
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