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Netflix has a terrible selection for their streaming service. Perhaps the person you replied to would like to have a service from Apple that has a better selection of newer movies.

Next time you should try posting something that adds to the conversation. Just my humble opinion! :rolleyes:

He posted that he would like to see a streaming subscription service for Movies and TV. I pointed out that a major player already exists. Whether Apple or someone else can do a better job is beside the point. Also, next time you should try and post something that adds to the conversation...that's my opinion. Your move. ;)
 
Netflix has a terrible selection for their streaming service. Perhaps the person you replied to would like to have a service from Apple that has a better selection of newer movies.

Next time you should try posting something that adds to the conversation. Just my humble opinion! :rolleyes:


Perhaps the user doesn't have an iPhone or Apple TV box?

Perhaps the user doesn't want to pay the same amount to rent an HD movie as it costs to buy the DVD/Blu-ray?

Perhaps YouTube's Movie and Streaming service are on more TV's and media boxes than Apple?

Next time you should try posting something that adds to the conversation.

Just my humble opinion! :rolleyes:
 
Yes, or how about the infamous Cube. There will always be exceptions to every rule. Also, Maps is a work in progress and was released before it was ready. Lets see how the finished product looks. ;)

Actually, in the last couple of years, maps has become the norm, not the exception. Siri and the disaster that is the podcast app also come to mind.
 
I was thinking about it, and basically what I want is Spotify Premium, but for free.

Yeah, I would like all the music in the world given to me for free too! Oh, alright I'll just take it for free when I buy iOS device (a few hundred buck device with all the music in the world on it!)

:D:D:D:D:D:D:D LMFAO.
 
meh wake me up when i can listen to the whole itunes catalogue with my iTunes Match subscription otherwise apple will be the laughing stock with everyone else but them offering the best of both worlds in one package.

i can already see the headlines "Apple catching up with everyone else but .. not really"

Yeah all those services allowing unlimited music access for free are killing it.

It is unfortunate that even though we have run through 75 threads on this issue a significant number of people here don't understand what apple is trying to do. Which is to allow the most future full free service possible.

People who insist on comparing it to programs that cost $120 a year clearly do not get it.

I have used free spotify and pandora. Apple's goal is to come up with an improved version of that model.
 
Late to the party with an inferior product. Good job, Apple.

Judging the product (service?) as inferior before it is even announced to exist, let alone after trying it. I hope you are never on a jury trying me!
 
Yeah all those services allowing unlimited music access for free are killing it.

It is unfortunate that even though we have run through 75 threads on this issue a significant number of people here don't understand what apple is trying to do. Which is to allow the most future full free service possible.

People who insist on comparing it to programs that cost $120 a year clearly do not get it.

I have used free spotify and pandora. Apple's goal is to come up with an improved version of that model.

Enlighten us all knowing one...

You don't know anything more than anyone else on this forum or any analyst.

You are spewing nothing but an opinion and trying to come off as making it sound like fact.

Keep your opinions to that rather than stating them as fact.

Given Apple's history in the last 2 years they haven't even been on base and a home-run isn't even in the ballpark.

Nobody will know until the rumored service is released.
 
Here's what I see...

Around every quarterly report from the major cell phone service providers who are partnered with Apple, we always see the same 2 basic commentaries: 1) great year with lots of sales of iPhone and 2) subsidizing iPhone is very expensive relative to all of the other phones. In short, they love the revenues that iPhone helps deliver but hate how much they have to pay Apple in the subsidy relative to how much other smart phones cost them. Pay attention next time; it's the same story every quarter.

Then there's this growing sense of "where's the beef?" in terms of the classic view of Apple's big innovations reputation. Think about it. How often have we heard that there is very little money for Apple in the iTunes store music sales... that iTunes exists to help sell hardware?

Now, why digital radio? It's already led by some pretty strong players in Pandora & Spotify. There's still completely free* radio over the air. There's also Sirius for the subscription hounds wanting commercial free. Is radio really that important to the masses anymore- especially in devices that you can load with all of your favorite music commercial free? Some might argue about "discovery" but can't we discover new music we like with 30-second previews of any song in the iTunes store? Or from our friends playing something we like? Or from free radio? Or when we hear the tune on television, at the mall, etc?

We also note that the bulk of Apple's business is heavily dependent on iDevices, especially iPhone. Since the bulk of who actually directly pays for the iPhone is not the classic customer (us consumers) but this handful of cell service partners, it is obviously paramount to keep that very big cash cow as happy as possible.

So, what do you do when you hear the cash cow grumbling about the relative expense of iPhone vs. other smart phones they also carry? Being Apple, you don't cut the cost of each phone to be more competitive and kill the Apple margin. So what else can you do? Well, being Apple, you could turn the internal innovation machinery on to focus on how to make those partners more revenues from iPhone.

How can AT&T, Verizon, etc make more revenues? The easy way is to get the masses to burn more data because with the tier limits in place, burning into higher tiers yields more money for them.

What has been the heralded iDevice "big things" from Apple over the last few years: Siri, iMessage, Maps, iCloud, Facetime, etc. Now, here comes iRadio. What do they ALL have in common? A high dependency on internet data burn. Each doesn't work (or work very well) without a live connection to data.

iRadio seems poised to be a monster in terms of data burn. Stream all that music from "the cloud" seems to be a great recipe for getting average data burn per customer up so that we are generally paying up for the next level(s) tiers.

Pair that with the wonders of LTE- which seems to be AT&T, Verizons, etc contribution to helping us chew through more data faster than ever and these kinds of "big innovations" seem ideal for putting much more money in AT&T, Verizon, etc pockets.

I'm a huge music lover. HUGE. But radio seems like it's about 1950-1985. I occasionally turn on Pandora or Spotify but, as much as I love music, neither really gets me going. There's also all that fantastic Sirius music beaming down at me from space, but it's ready availability doesn't motivate me to shell out the monthly fee to get it either. And while I know I'm not the market for this iRadio, is there really a market that are going to gush all over digital streaming radio that has the Apple brand stamped on it?

When I look at it, I see it throwing another bone at the cell service partners much more than bringing some revolutionary resurrection of radio to a hungry market just dying for more radio. I just don't see an Apple Pandora or an Apple Spotify being that great. Is it another Ping or MobileMe? Is it half-baked like Maps or even Siri? Or is it just more of that magical innovation machine focused in the wrong place (how to make revenue-essential cell service partners happier by innovating things that will almost certainly yield more profits for them).

Some people talk about Apple losing their way by not innovating "next big things" as they have in the past. It does feel past due for a whopper-level innovation like an iPod, iPhone or iPad to me too. I see rumors like this iRadio and wonder if Apple hasn't lost it's way at all- it's just focused it's innovation machine on where the bulk of it's bread is buttered.

Apple innovation used to be focused on blowing us consumers away because we were the bulk of the revenue potentials (we paid up for Apple stuff directly). iPhone changed that. They tried to sell iPhone like they sell the rest of their wares but that didn't go that well (the full-price iPhone sold well to the most Apple faithful and then started waning with the masses without the subsidy support). The subsidy business showed Apple a way to still make all it wants to make, still get its brand in millions of consumer's hands and get a few big partners to actually pay for most of the hardware cost in the background. Great... but it also made that handful of subsidy partners much, much more important to Apple than anything like them had been before iPhone subsidies.

Prediction of the next, next big thing after iRadio: iVideo as a streaming video "innovation" in a world with hard (tight) tiers for cellular service usage is a AT&T, Verizon, etc revenue-boosting dream to end all dreams. We can burn 2GB in a single movie stream... even easier at retina-quality resolutions... even faster at LTE speeds. The iTV, Apple Television, etc rumor seems to heavily revolve around this idea of streaming tons of video from iCloud. Wouldn't it be exciting to be one of the tollmasters who completely controls the connection between millions of consumers and iCloud?

Whether right or wrong: I wish the next, next big thing out of Apple would not be something that seems innovated to help AT&T, Verizon, etc make much more money. It would be good to get back to industry disruptive innovations rather than duopoly-fueling ones. AT&T, Verizon, etc are rich enough. How about innovating something for us consumers that doesn't add even more revenues to their coffers?

Your theory only stands if the USA = the world. In my country, and I thought many progressive countries, there are no limits on cell usage or Internet usage. Its all you can use, unlimited LTE bandwidth. Also, in many countries like this, there is no Pandora, there is no Spotify.

For us, a streaming music service, or streaming HD video service is just a great service and one that has no competitor.

Maybe all of these commentors who are struggling with Apple's potential business model for this are thinking from too much of a US-Centric mindset.
 
Judging about something you have no knowledge about.

No knowledge? They've already said that it won't be listen on demand. It's a Pandora knock-off. Why would anyone want that when Spotify and Xbox music offer Pandora style streaming *AND* free on-demand listening with ads.
 
Why does Apple not sign their own artists?

Din't Apple buy the "Apple" label from the Beatles? They should resurrect that and sign some artists and make their own recordings. They already have iTunes and so could promote their own artists using that.
 
What will be interesting to see is if they offer a trial, and how many people will actually use it.

It's going to be tough for them to convince me to leave spotify. They better reinvent the wheel with this music service. ;)
 
Din't Apple buy the "Apple" label from the Beatles? They should resurrect that and sign some artists and make their own recordings. They already have iTunes and so could promote their own artists using that.

You're kidding right? Please tell me you are and don't even know that the Beatles was an actual music group that had it's own company, Apple Corps and they battled it out in court for years.
 
meh wake me up when i can listen to the whole itunes catalogue with my iTunes Match subscription otherwise apple will be the laughing stock with everyone else but them offering the best of both worlds in one package.

i can already see the headlines "Apple catching up with everyone else but .. not really"

They might put a limit on how many times you can listen to something not purchased or matched but perhaps that will be there. It was in Lala which Apple bought for patents and software to do the matching.

Lala only allowed one full play but it had less funds since they only did web page ads. Apple might do it more like 3 for free, 10 if you are a Match member
 
Artists survival

Interesting to read so many posts from spotify users and those that seem to think it's down to the labels to change their ways and better represent artists.

Here are the maths for you:
I'm an artist with my own label and I make $0.0004 for one play on spotify. From one sale on iTunes I collect $0.637

For those that think minimal cost or free streaming is such a great a great idea I'm genuinely interested in how you think I am going to make sufficient money for me to be able to record another album?

Tim

The Magic Crayons - educational music for children
 
Interesting to read so many posts from spotify users and those that seem to think it's down to the labels to change their ways and better represent artists.

Here are the maths for you:
I'm an artist with my own label and I make $0.0004 for one play on spotify. From one sale on iTunes I collect $0.637

For those that think minimal cost or free streaming is such a great a great idea I'm genuinely interested in how you think I am going to make sufficient money for me to be able to record another album?

Tim

The Magic Crayons - educational music for children

99% of the users in this forum or in the rest of the world are not musical artists and don't care. That's opinion.

I like Pandora and I get it for Free on every device I own with ads.

That's a personal preference and many like to pay spotify, Google and other streaming services.
 
99% of the users in this forum or in the rest of the world are musical artists and don't care. That's opinion.

I like Pandora and I get it for Free on every device I own with ads.

That's a personal preference and many like to pay spotify, Google and other streaming services.

Indeed. But when musicians stop producing music maybe those same people will.
 
Actually, in the last couple of years, maps has become the norm, not the exception. Siri and the disaster that is the podcast app also come to mind.

I see...Well it's good to hear your unbiased opinion. :p
 
Indeed. But when musicians stop producing music maybe those same people will.

Rolling Stones are pulling in $650 US for a seat at their concerts. Mick Jagger is 69 years old and next month will be 70.

It's not that I'm not sympathetic to musicians for what they get paid before or if and when they make it big but that still will not change my music habits.

Just as musicians aren't sympathetic when I don't make my sales goals and only get a percentage of the bonus I was going to.

1st world problems are a bitch.
 
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