Apple Pushing to Complete Record Deals for Streaming Music Service Launch at WWDC

4TheLoveOfTech said:
Would you please elaborate?

Your post wasn't quite long enough.

If your post is longer than the article it's not likely it's going to be read.
But please feel free to expand on your posting.
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LOL. I had the patience to read it.

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Saladinos said:
Yeah that's what they said about iTunes Match.

There were sketchy rumours, so Amazon and Google rushed to release an unimaginative copy of what they thought Apple was about to do.

Then it turned out Apple had a much better system.
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Agree - itunes match is a good service, and I can see the iRadio, or whatever it would be called, being tied in well with this.
 
ninjadex said:
WWDC is a developers conference. Why in the world would the big announcement be a Streaming Music Service?
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If it is somethng that would be revealed by the iOS Betas they will announce it because it will be leaked by someone else and Apple can't stand that.

If it won't be then it will likely, if it is true at all, be announced at the Fall Music/device event
 
ChrisA said:
Din't Apple buy the "Apple" label from the Beatles? They should resurrect that and sign some artists and make their own recordings. They already have iTunes and so could promote their own artists using that.
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Seriously?
 
Mactendo said:
They'd better arrange better deals than to hurry up for WWDC.
Ah, Tim, you're screwing it up...
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Based on rumors that could be total bunk. We don't know if this service exists, is something on their radar or what it will be.

Or who is the hold up if any.
 
rmwebs said:
Sadly that will never, ever, ever,ever happen for obvious reasons.

I'd happy switch to Apple's if it was exactly the same as my Spotify Premium account with a few additions:

1) Upload my own music, and no stupid 5GB limit
2) Still be cross-platform, not an iOS/Mac lock in - which is whats going to kill 'iRadio' before it gets going
3) Not reliant on iTunes (at least in its current fugly bloated incarnation)

Fix that and we're golden. Miss a single one and Spotify is still the better option.
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I think the apple version could do well if it is offered in many countries. For those outside of coverage areas, none of these finer points of spotify vs pandora etc matter, because we cant access them at all. If Apple fixes that, they will make money.

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gnasher729 said:
Because any such service would have contracts with the record companies, and these contracts usually don't survive when the company is bought out by another company.
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I beg to differ. Basically every business has supplier contracts. The terms of those supplier contracts are key to the business remaining viable and profitable. They can form a large part of the business itself, above the value of the net assets. If supplier contracts didn't survive sales of the company, then companies would not be sold. Uninterrupted transfer of these contracts is almost always one of the important conditions precedent in a sale agreement.
 
MacDav said:
He posted that he would like to see a streaming subscription service for Movies and TV. I pointed out that a major player already exists. Whether Apple or someone else can do a better job is beside the point. Also, next time you should try and post something that adds to the conversation...that's my opinion. Your move. ;)
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I did add to the conversation by pointing out that Netflix is not a very good option. Maybe Apple could provide a service that would compete in this space. If the Apple TV (with a display, not just the box) ever comes to fruition, I would hope a subscription with a large catalog of current releases would be offered.

4TheLoveOfTech said:
Perhaps the user doesn't have an iPhone or Apple TV box?

Perhaps the user doesn't want to pay the same amount to rent an HD movie as it costs to buy the DVD/Blu-ray?

Perhaps YouTube's Movie and Streaming service are on more TV's and media boxes than Apple?

Next time you should try posting something that adds to the conversation.

Just my humble opinion! :rolleyes:
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I do try to add at least something without being too snarky! ;)
 
Risco said:
What I meant was this time they won't lead the market with a late entry ticket.
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You can't really say that given that we don't know what the deal is. While late to the game it might be so awesome it blows away everything else in the market. That is assuming they are chasing the market at all. They might not be doing a radio gig at all but something else
 
canyonblue737 said:
Yeah, I would like all the music in the world given to me for free too! Oh, alright I'll just take it for free when I buy iOS device (a few hundred buck device with all the music in the world on it!)

:D:D:D:D:D:D:D LMFAO.
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I said for one year per device. Right now these music services all cost between $5 and $10 / month. So Apple would be giving you $60 - $120 worth of unlimited music streaming for each device you buy from them. For people like me who buy an Apple product a year, I'd never have to pay for music again. For people who buy an iPhone every 3 years, well, they'd have to pay for music sometimes.
 
sseaton1971 said:
I did add to the conversation by pointing out that Netflix is not a very good option. Maybe Apple could provide a service that would compete in this space. If the Apple TV (with a display, not just the box) ever comes to fruition, I would hope a subscription with a large catalog of current releases would be offered.



I do try to add at least something without being too snarky! ;)
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Okay fair enough, I'll try not to be snarky in my reply to you. Do you not realize that for $7.99 per month the Netflix steaming subscription is as good as the content providers will allow? Don't you think Netflix would love to have all the latest Movies and TV available? The problem is not that easy to fix. Apple has been grappling with this problem for many years now and still has not reached an acceptable solution.

Do you have any idea how much a subscription service that has everything everybody wants would cost per month? Lets just say it's way more than the average person can afford. Even if you could afford it, first you will have to deal with the many content providers, and also with all the cable and satellite companies, who want to keep the status quo. So as far as you adding something to the conversation, well...saying that Netflix is not as good as you would like it to be, is something any conscious person already knows, and doesn't qualify as adding something to the conversation. ;)
 
Shaun said:
Doesn't make any sense to me. There are literally hundreds of radio stations already on iTunes which nobody listens to. All the streaming services already have radio type services. And with those you don't have to pay any extra to listen to a song or album if you hear something you like.

Either go down the subscription streaming route to compete with the likes of Spotify and Rdio or add lossless content and continue with the download to own option to compete with CDs. iRadio is neither one thing nor the other and as such will ultimately die through lack of interest just like Ping did.

Every day I struggle to use iTunes with its laggy interface, it's total inability to perform sensible searches and its multitude of bugs which mean that even the simplest of tasks like going back and forth between pages no longer works. Apple have lost the plot with iTunes and somebody (we all know who) should follow Forstall out of the door, so he can drive off into the sunset in his Ferrari.
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My condolences...It must be very difficult going thru life knowing how things should work and yet nothing seems to work that way. Of course it's not you who might be seeing or doing things wrong, or expecting too much...Hmmm
 
MacDav said:
Okay fair enough, I'll try not to be snarky in my reply to you. Do you not realize that for $7.99 per month the Netflix steaming subscription is as good as the content providers will allow? Don't you think Netflix would love to have all the latest Movies and TV available? The problem is not that easy to fix. Apple has been grappling with this problem for many years now and still has not reached an acceptable solution.

Do you have any idea how much a subscription service that has everything everybody wants would cost per month? Lets just say it's way more than the average person can afford. Even if you could afford it, first you will have to deal with the many content providers, and also with all the cable and satellite companies, who want to keep the status quo. So as far as you adding something to the conversation, well...saying that Netflix is not as good as you would like it to be, is something any conscious person already knows, and doesn't qualify as adding something to the conversation. ;)
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I agree that a subscription service with a large catalog of current movies and TV programs is not something that can be easily achieved, but that doesn't mean it can't be done. Apparently Steve Jobs thought he was on the right track with television shortly before he died. Maybe he really was on to something, but we might never know.

Maybe Apple or another company can do something with advertising, maybe there will be some sort of "tax" on hardware devices that will go to studios/distributors, or maybe there will be some sort of credit system that will allow subscribers to view newer content with credits but also allow for full access to older catalog titles. And maybe the way things are now will be how it will always be. I certainly don't know the business of movies or television well enough to know all the possibilities.

I am interested to know if anyone in this forum has some ideas on how the distribution of movies and TV programs can be radically changed in a way that will both benefit the consumer and be acceptable to the owners of content.
 
CapnJackGig said:
No knowledge? They've already said that it won't be listen on demand. It's a Pandora knock-off. Why would anyone want that when Spotify and Xbox music offer Pandora style streaming *AND* free on-demand listening with ads.
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They said? I don't remember any press confference or anything.
 
ArtOfWarfare said:
Apple could make it a perk of owning one of their devices. Obviously Spotify can't do it - then they'd have no business model at all.
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This is Apple ;) When have you ever known them to give away something with a lifetime recurring cost to them? Also, I really cant see the record labels allowing that. We all know how they are, especially with Apple. At best this'll be a monthly subscription. At worst it'll be pay to play.


ArtOfWarfare said:
Apple has made Windows Apps before. If it's a service they make money off of, I can easily see them offering it for Windows and Android users.
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They also discontinued them. The latest iTunes got no Windows update and there hasn't been any major Windows update in well over a year. Apple have also never released an Android app, and Cook made it clear in the D11 that Apple would only do an Android app if it made financial sense to do so. Even this probably wouldn't (at least to start with) as Android's already got a number of competitors covering the area (Google Music being baked in to any GAPPS licensed handsets).



ArtOfWarfare said:
Have you actually used the new iTunes or are you basing your name calling off of the prior versions? I haven't used the new version much (because I swapped to Spotify when it was first released in the US) but I launched it just to look around... it looks to be what it should have been all along, to me... it's just way too late because Spotify has proven to be such a wonderful music player for me.
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Yes I have used it. And yes it's still a bloated pile of crap. Sure, it's closer to what iTunes is supposed to be, but a UI overhall is not going to fix iTunes problems, which is essentially all the latest release is. The app is slow and bloated.

The only plus it had (altho not any longer as Spotify finally updated a month or two ago) was retina graphics.
 
rmwebs said:
Apple have also never released an Android app, and Cook made it clear in the D11 that Apple would only do an Android app if it made financial sense to do so.
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Don't spread misinformation.

Tim Cook noted during his interview at the D11 conference tonight that “Apple has no religious issue porting an iOS app to Android,” but was careful to point out that they would only do so “if it made sense.”
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BigHonkingDeal said:
Let's just hope it will not be a BETA like SIRI and Maps.....

One would hope that Apple with all their purchasing power can get a better agreement with those labels than all the smaller companies like Pandora or Spotify.... especially since they have been negotiating for quite some time.
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dont give your hopes up too much ;) iTunes Match still feels like a beta to me, pretty bad at matching and horrible at cover art management
 
Reading the forum shows how everyone hopes for a big move from Apple.
In 2010 iRadio would only be taken to knowledge without any excitement.
Since Apple has stopped to innovate this became a bigger thing than it is.
Ok, iTunes Match was a really good thing but as long as they do not really improve iOS, Apple keeps losing their shine.
 
Does anyone else feel like iRadio will be one of the big announcements at WWDC that knowones going to care about? There are plenty of apps that already do that, apple is just trying to get people excited with something that when it actually comes out knowone will really care about or be all that used, it's not like really innovative... They just don't know what else to do anymore... Maybe they should focus on something else like the boring home screen. I know not everyone feels this way but just redesigning the look of the apps isn't enough, although it will be a much welcomed change. Maybe super simple widgets & a button/switch in settings for people who want the option of widgets turned off so people not interested in them can have the original wall to wall icon experience. Obviously it could never be a big fail like ping but it's still it's not something necesseary.
 
petsounds said:
Music artists generally only make enough through merch to pay for their touring costs -- they've always had merch, and it's always just been an extra bit of money for them. Constant touring is not a solution.
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Don't they make most of their money from the shows themselves though? I would imagine a reasonable percentage of the ticket fee would go to the house, but the rest is for the band, right? I'm not sure, just curious/speculating.

I could see how the merch sales can cover touring costs. Record sales is another story, in an age where buying individual songs seems to be the popular choice for most. I would imagine over the years that selling individual songs only (in an extreme case) in the long run leaves a lot of money on the table, no?
 
Almost....

Sony might go for the Warner Deal. Then it's a go.

It's not Pandora. IMO, it will be seen as the next level. :apple:

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M-O said:
why would Apple announce a streaming music service at a developer conference?
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Because it's more than a Music Streaming Service? ;)
 
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