wow this is great news, I like that they are actually listening. I hope they can also do those lion edits to make everyone happy as well (come on couldn't they have just put the changes in the settings instead of try to force us how to use the computer).
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Apple Puts Legacy Final Cut Studio Back on Sale
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it's meant for the iPad - the future of editing
This Final Cut X is for the future of editing not for the editors that are already using FCP studio 3. FCP X is made for people to use with the iPad, regular people who shoot something with a consumer camera or iPhone and need to edit while sitting on a couch while eating cheetos... not us power users who pay our rent and mortgages from editing.
Since editing software is a very very small part of apple profits we as a group can be tossed aside for the grand scheme. The average future touch screen device editor will never need TeleCine or most of the other goodies. H.264 video comes off their little device by memory stick and can be edited quickly, uploaded to YouTube for viewing by grandma and America's Funniest Home Videos... ha ha ha! way to go Final Cut X ! another funny pet video, har har.
Screw it, screw them, I'm done with FCP once and for all. AVID is much better, and it's their bread and butter. Editing for apple is marmalade. AVID is bending over backwards now for customers and the product is much better than FCP.
This Final Cut X is for the future of editing not for the editors that are already using FCP studio 3. FCP X is made for people to use with the iPad, regular people who shoot something with a consumer camera or iPhone and need to edit while sitting on a couch while eating cheetos... not us power users who pay our rent and mortgages from editing.
Since editing software is a very very small part of apple profits we as a group can be tossed aside for the grand scheme. The average future touch screen device editor will never need TeleCine or most of the other goodies. H.264 video comes off their little device by memory stick and can be edited quickly, uploaded to YouTube for viewing by grandma and America's Funniest Home Videos... ha ha ha! way to go Final Cut X ! another funny pet video, har har.
Screw it, screw them, I'm done with FCP once and for all. AVID is much better, and it's their bread and butter. Editing for apple is marmalade. AVID is bending over backwards now for customers and the product is much better than FCP.
Wrong title for this thread
You guys do realize that Apple has NOT caved.
As much as we'd like to think they're doing the "Classic Coke" shuffle,
the reality is that they just decided to offer the EXISTING copies of FCS 3 for sale rather than trash them.
Non-IOS apps are no longer important to Apple.
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You guys do realize that Apple has NOT caved.
As much as we'd like to think they're doing the "Classic Coke" shuffle,
the reality is that they just decided to offer the EXISTING copies of FCS 3 for sale rather than trash them.
Non-IOS apps are no longer important to Apple.
- chip
- highlevelproductions.com
I'm truly curious. Are you talking from in depth experience with FCPX, or are you just talking out of your ass?
You would be incorrect. It is both. Many professionals such as myself would love to break it in while still using 7, but the paradigm change of the magnetic timeline mostly as well as it's inabilities with audio editing make it so unusable that there isn't much point. It's obvious that some of the paradigm changes had to be made to make things like the magnetic timeline function. Backwards design for sure.
RANT WARNING!!!!
Final Cut Pro is so old and outdated. Final Cut Studio was the biggest waist of money for me. It sits on the shelf collecting dust. And Motion and Soundtrack? Don't get me started. They are anything BUT Logic. And I don't know anyone that uses those apps. Apple didn't even originally design FCP anyway...
I don't blame them at ALL for revamping FCP into this new version. FCP users should of left after Apple bought it. Same with Logic. Which probably will be canned soon too.
Stick with the Adobe family. Premiere Pro and After Effects. This will blow everything away.
Get some REAL audio software here
http://www.steinberg.net/en/products/nuendo.html
To recap. Here's all you need.
Adobe Master Suite
Steinberg Nuendo
Monster Computer
***Done***
Now go back to work.
Final Cut Pro is so old and outdated. Final Cut Studio was the biggest waist of money for me. It sits on the shelf collecting dust. And Motion and Soundtrack? Don't get me started. They are anything BUT Logic. And I don't know anyone that uses those apps. Apple didn't even originally design FCP anyway...
I don't blame them at ALL for revamping FCP into this new version. FCP users should of left after Apple bought it. Same with Logic. Which probably will be canned soon too.
Stick with the Adobe family. Premiere Pro and After Effects. This will blow everything away.
Get some REAL audio software here
http://www.steinberg.net/en/products/nuendo.html
To recap. Here's all you need.
Adobe Master Suite
Steinberg Nuendo
Monster Computer
***Done***
Now go back to work.
Perhaps quote the part number from this Macworld story, which also quotes an Apple rep describing this temporary availability. Hey, maybe they sold out already.
LOL, this is far from Apple's biggest problem. Lion's reviews were also bad (though not quite as bad).
Not true. A re-write of an application to make use of every processor/core and all available RAM does not prevent previous projects from being able to be opened in the re-written application. All the loyal customers that were there when Apple was near the end. All the people moving to Final Cut Pro/Studio and convincing others they should use it. All the people that were waiting for a 64-bit, top-to-bottom version that would take full advantage of the Apple hardware they spent thousands, if not tens of thousands, of dollars/pounds/euros to get. All those people, instead of getting Final Cut Pro 8, got a giant "F-you" from Apple.
What are the selling points? You can't import previous projects, many features missing, but will be coming "soon" in updates, it is available in the Mac App Store. Apple has thought of everything.
I suppose it could some how be opened. But trying to take an old FCP7 project in FCP X could have totally unexpected results. Considering its so vastly different, It might just get scrambled in the process trying to translate the project using new features that never existed in the prior version.
I don't really believe that. In the most part it has been well received.
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Things like filters probably wouldn't xfer (so they could just be ignored by the program) but at its core all that needs to come across is the clip name, clip timecode in/out and Sequence timecode in/out. It's a very simple text document. EDLs (Edit Decision Lists) are like 30 years old.
Lethal
I'm curious about your use of the word "fanboy"
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If you bought it then you're not a thief.
It's hard to hear the voices of the professionals when there are 10x as many Prosumers yelling too.
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Becoming?
Why did you write three paragraphs instead of just getting to your point. "AVID is much better." If this is true you don't need go on about other products just use AVID and have a nice weekend. It sounds like FCP used to be your old girlfriend and you still have unresolved issues.
By selling it, he transferred the license. Keeping a copy would be inappropriate.
Apple's given up
People just don't get it. If Apple truly wanted to remain forever in the Pro Broadcast and Cinema markets it would have released a full featured FCPX...or at least a product that met the needs of those markets. Certain common sense features were purposely left out. After 2 months FCPX has seen no updates--not a single addition to stem the complaints. The only thing they've done now is re-release a product they killed which is very unlikely they will update. Let's face it the high end pro market is very niche and Apple no longer does "niche". Ask all those people who bought servers, who now have to buy Mac mini's or my being hounded by Apple sales people to buy Final Cut Server--now what? Only option is Avid--period. Customer lost after spending many thousands of dollars. Apple wants the mass market. There are a lot more event videographers, small independent production companies with one editor where sharing isn't necessary, schools and consumers who want the feel of a pro editor without real pro features. You can't edit a 60 second commercial in a pro ad environment never mind a movie on this thing. BUT, editing is fun on it, easy and intuitive once you get the hang of it. Those people won't miss the Pro features. Face it, it's just too expensive to have a large team of specialty developers making over $100,000 working on a product they don't sell a mass number of. I'd expect an iPad 3 version of FCPX before you see broadcast features put back in--an iPad 3 version would be a take off product where people can shoot and edit in the same device for people getting rogue/blog/journalist videos on the net almost instantly. The only thing Apple really needs to do is drop the price of FCPX to $100 and seed the field to Avid and Adobe. They'd sell a lot more of those than Premier and MC combined. Adobe Premier is a far better product--it would take many many years for FCPX to catch up, as Adobe is constantly upgrading and adding features.
People just don't get it. If Apple truly wanted to remain forever in the Pro Broadcast and Cinema markets it would have released a full featured FCPX...or at least a product that met the needs of those markets. Certain common sense features were purposely left out. After 2 months FCPX has seen no updates--not a single addition to stem the complaints. The only thing they've done now is re-release a product they killed which is very unlikely they will update. Let's face it the high end pro market is very niche and Apple no longer does "niche". Ask all those people who bought servers, who now have to buy Mac mini's or my being hounded by Apple sales people to buy Final Cut Server--now what? Only option is Avid--period. Customer lost after spending many thousands of dollars. Apple wants the mass market. There are a lot more event videographers, small independent production companies with one editor where sharing isn't necessary, schools and consumers who want the feel of a pro editor without real pro features. You can't edit a 60 second commercial in a pro ad environment never mind a movie on this thing. BUT, editing is fun on it, easy and intuitive once you get the hang of it. Those people won't miss the Pro features. Face it, it's just too expensive to have a large team of specialty developers making over $100,000 working on a product they don't sell a mass number of. I'd expect an iPad 3 version of FCPX before you see broadcast features put back in--an iPad 3 version would be a take off product where people can shoot and edit in the same device for people getting rogue/blog/journalist videos on the net almost instantly. The only thing Apple really needs to do is drop the price of FCPX to $100 and seed the field to Avid and Adobe. They'd sell a lot more of those than Premier and MC combined. Adobe Premier is a far better product--it would take many many years for FCPX to catch up, as Adobe is constantly upgrading and adding features.
No upgrade for sale
Anyone who wants to purchase an upgrade to get from Final Cut Studio 2 to FCS 3 is still SOL. Telesales will only sell the $999 full license version and will not offer the previous upgrade path at the $300 price point.
Booo!
If your going to reverse policy, reverse it... don't half support your legacy user base.
Anyone who wants to purchase an upgrade to get from Final Cut Studio 2 to FCS 3 is still SOL. Telesales will only sell the $999 full license version and will not offer the previous upgrade path at the $300 price point.
Booo!
If your going to reverse policy, reverse it... don't half support your legacy user base.
Except there are features missing that a one man show find useful, such as milticam.
Badly wrong here, even FCS1 was released as universal version in 2006.
Maybe you could sell your FCS3/FCS3upgrade to me cheaply, if otherwise you get zero from it?
FSC3upgrade is about $500 on eBay now, thanks Apple for that!
I work in video production full time - and I've been a professional editor for about 15 years now.
It's too late. The damage is done. Apple is dead in professional video editing. Most professionals have decided to abandon Apple in favor of either Adobe Premiere or Avid Media Composer. Editors MUST be able to trust their editing system, and they will not take risks in this area. The professional community has seen that Apple is willing to abandon them at a moment's notice. This is intolerable for a professional, and therefore, very few will ever buy an Apple system again.
There is almost nothing worse that Apple could have done.
Final Cut is done. It's gone. Forever.
It's too late. The damage is done. Apple is dead in professional video editing. Most professionals have decided to abandon Apple in favor of either Adobe Premiere or Avid Media Composer. Editors MUST be able to trust their editing system, and they will not take risks in this area. The professional community has seen that Apple is willing to abandon them at a moment's notice. This is intolerable for a professional, and therefore, very few will ever buy an Apple system again.
There is almost nothing worse that Apple could have done.
Final Cut is done. It's gone. Forever.