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DDR2 and DDR3, one would hardly notice the difference. Might save a few seconds here and there and even if you add it up, it would not be much. LED displays are user preference, the power savings might amount to 30 mins make of portable use, then again it also depends on the brightness level. If you want instant-on then LED BL is the way to go. :)

Not to mention a brighter screen. It's funny you say "30 minutes", because thats about what Apple says. That extra 30 minutes means a lot more than 30 minutes in the long run. That means that, as your battery ages, the aluminum MacBook will still have a longer usable battery life as time passes. Plastic MacBook owners will have to replace their battery sooner.

And, again, DDR2 versus DDR3.. you're looking at a 40% real world difference in bandwidth intensive applications. You're comparing RAM running at 667MHz versus RAM that runs at 1066MHz, as well as the architectural differences. As another poster pointed at, you essentially (but not directly) can have 1 full channel worth of bandwidth (running in dual channel mode) available for the GPU. Not the case with DDR2. The GPU will be extremely choked and limited by DDR2 memory.
 
How true, these brag specs look disappointing when conversing with friends. However in the end this update is actually better than the UniBody. LED display is user preference.

I can't believe i'm about to say this but i actually agree with mosx on this one.. :eek:

This update is better than the Unibody ONLY if you're a hardcore fan of the PLASTIC macbooks, otherwise, the unibody is superior overall... I'm not going to repeat all the advantages, but i think there are quite a few..
 
Care to explain how?

Quite simple. Apple doesn't see the need to drop the model, and doesn't feel the AluBook can be dropped down to the price since it offers a more comprehensive set of features. Of course everyone wants the AluBook at $999, but Apple won't sell one at this time.

Do I think the WhiteBook should be at $799? Yes. This is Apple, so I'm not holding my breath.
 
Not to mention a brighter screen. It's funny you say "30 minutes", because thats about what Apple says. That extra 30 minutes means a lot more than 30 minutes in the long run. That means that, as your battery ages, the aluminum MacBook will still have a longer usable battery life as time passes. Plastic MacBook owners will have to replace their battery sooner.

And, again, DDR2 versus DDR3.. you're looking at a 40% real world difference in bandwidth intensive applications. You're comparing RAM running at 667MHz versus RAM that runs at 1066MHz, as well as the architectural differences. As another poster pointed at, you essentially (but not directly) can have 1 full channel worth of bandwidth (running in dual channel mode) available for the GPU. Not the case with DDR2. The GPU will be extremely choked and limited by DDR2 memory.

As mentioned it depends on what you do with your machine. Apple will not allow a power user to acquire a sub 1000 portable that might outperform its higher end portables. The reason being is that Apple knows that majority of its consumer will not fully utilize the power the UniBody machines has to offer and by the time its consumers even catch up to that level, something better will be released and if these users do need this sort of power there are other options. Majority of the people and this is from experience use only a portion of they machines power may it be portable or desktop. And since Apple is now using x86 technology it makes no sense to buy the top end of any portable of desktop unless you can really afford it and can justify the price.

If you buy this machine and intend to keep it for 2-4 years, you would not be kicking yourself then if you bought the UniBody MB. I have a SR MBP 17" and I have yet to see its dual core be used to its full advantage. Maybe Snow Leopard will change this, however I have no requirement and remember this machine does not stutter when playing 1080p video either. This is my preference, I also use an iMac and a NetBook and if I was in the market for another portable I can say I would not be purchasing the UniBody MB as it just not worth it, in another 6 months your $300 saved would have acquired a better return then if you were to have "invested" it in depreciating technology.

Certainly my electronics has all depreciated in value, however they are still functional and it has not dropped in value is not as drastic.
 
I can't believe i'm about to say this but i actually agree with mosx on this one.. :eek:

This update is better than the Unibody ONLY if you're a hardcore fan of the PLASTIC macbooks, otherwise, the unibody is superior overall... I'm not going to repeat all the advantages, but i think there are quite a few..

Matter of opinion, superior since you have to buy the only external display that support MDP, or it the reason that its something refreshing. I do know all the technical advantages. Considering portability, Apple has always crippled battery life in all its products. Apple did this with the original iPod and continue to do so at present, when other manufactures of mp3 players and 3rd party battery replacement offer double the battery life, seems kinda odd that Apple for which they ask and we pay a premium only offer a mediocre battery. Look at the new UniBody 17" MBP and tell me if you believe anything Apple says. There is a very good possibility that Apple has put in a lower grade battery in the PolyCarb MB to make the UniBody MB look superior. Or maybe its the bottleneck HDD running at 5400 RPM that is used by both the UniBody and PolyCarb MB. People are not looking at the entire package, focusing on a few specs does not make a system more capable than another.


I used to believe almost everything Apple marketing spin used to shell out, fortunately I started to think for myself and do some research.
 
I haven't read the already many posts, but I think this will eventually lead into a $999 Aluminum one - once they have recouped the development costs from sales of the current Aluminum models...

Maybe by this September? :)
 
As mentioned it depends on what you do with your machine. Apple will not allow a power user to acquire a sub 1000 portable that might outperform its higher end portables. The reason being is that Apple knows that majority of its consumer will not fully utilize the power the UniBody machines has to offer and by the time its consumers even catch up to that level, something better will be released and if these users do need this sort of power there are other options. Majority of the people and this is from experience use only a portion of they machines power may it be portable or desktop. And since Apple is now using x86 technology it makes no sense to buy the top end of any portable of desktop unless you can really afford it and can justify the price.

While not everyone is a gamer or constantly encoding videos, people DO take advantage of the power in other little ways. For example, multi-tasking. The Core 2 Duo allows for many many more applications to be running at once, smoothly. There are other instances here and there. Like playing with their pictures in iPhoto, or watching youtube (since Flash on OS X is so inefficient). As time goes on people will use more power without even realizing it.

So even for the average user, that DDR3 memory will make all the difference in the world a year or two from now when it means the difference between having their picture editing show up instantly or within a second or two, even if they don't directly realize it.

If you buy this machine and intend to keep it for 2-4 years, you would not be kicking yourself then if you bought the UniBody MB.

I'd be kicking myself if I bought a plastic MacBook. I did! One who has a plastic MacBook that is more than a year old and has not yet cracked should consider themselves incredibly lucky.

I have a SR MBP 17" and I have yet to see its dual core be used to its full advantage.

Again, as I said, people will do things that do use that power and don't realize it. Most people don't realize what it takes to get a DVD compressed to H.264 in a timely fashion. For the average person who just wants to put a DVD on their fancy new iPod touch, that extra bandwidth is going to make all the difference in the world.

Maybe Snow Leopard will change this, however I have no requirement and remember this machine does not stutter when playing 1080p video either.

Must not be very high bitrate video, seeing as how video decoding in OS X is 100% software based. The UniBody Macs and presumably the new white MacBook do a slight level of hardware decoding, but only enough to take the CPU use down a little bit. Not the same level that Windows does.

I can say I would not be purchasing the UniBody MB as it just not worth it, in another 6 months your $300 saved would have acquired a better return then if you were to have "invested" it in depreciating technology.

What?

How is the UniBody MacBook not worth it? Especially compared to a netbook? It's a fully featured portable computer. It's not built as awful as nearly all netbooks are (that HP aluminum one is the only decent one). And unlike netbooks, its not woefully underpowered and good for nothing. You want to talk about something that isn't worth the money, look at netbooks. An aluminum MacBook is a fully featured computer that is 100% portable. It is good enough to be your ONLY computer. And that is what it is designed for.

Likewise, the plastic MacBook is also designed to be a fully featured completely portable computer, but at a lower cost than the unibody model.

In all honesty, its silly to say that the UniBody MacBook is not worth it, especially when you already have a 17" MBP and an iMac. You already have a portable and a desktop, so whats the point even getting a netbook? Aside from the fact that netbooks are completely and utterly useless, you already have the desktop and a portable!

Like I was saying, the way you're comparing the MacBooks just doesn't make sense. Both systems are designed to be PRIMARY computers, good enough to be the ONLY computer the buyer owns. They're not meant to be half functional, half-assed computers like netbooks. And when compared directly, the $300 more you spend on the UniBody goes much farther in the way you'll have a higher quality and longer lasting screen, much faster RAM, better battery life, etc.

Certainly my electronics has all depreciated in value, however they are still functional and it has not dropped in value is not as drastic.

How would your $300 saved on the plastic MacBook be better than the UniBody Mac again? The UniBody will last longer, it will be faster in the long run, the battery will last longer, the screen will last longer, the case will NOT crack as the plastic case is guaranteed to do.. That extra $300 buys you at least an extra 2 years of usable life compared to the plastic MacBook.

Matter of opinion, superior since you have to buy the only external display that support MDP, or it the reason that its something refreshing.

Or you can buy the mini-DisplayPort to DVI or VGA adapter and use whatever monitor you like.

Just the same way you absolutely HAVE to buy a mini-DVI to whatever adapter for the plastic MacBook.

Considering portability, Apple has always crippled battery life in all its products.

uh.. what? The average unibody MacBook gets around 5 hours of battery life. My real world experience with it is just that with the screen set to the lowest. With the plastic MacBook and the screen set to the lowest, it's about 4.5 hours. At least thats what I got.

Apple did this with the original iPod and continue to do so at present, when other manufactures of mp3 players and 3rd party battery replacement offer double the battery life, seems kinda odd that Apple for which they ask and we pay a premium only offer a mediocre battery.

Again, what? The iPod classic 120GB, in real world testing, gets over 40 hours of battery life. http://www.ilounge.com/index.php/reviews/entry/apple-ipod-classic-120gb/P2 iLounge puts it at 42:29. The iPod touch 2G at 39 hours music playback. They claim 30 hours and 21 minutes with the iPod nano 3G, but mine actually lasts for almost 33 hours. My 80GB 5.5G iPod is rated for what? 7 hours of video battery life, but when I play video on it that is optimized for the screen it lasts for 18 hours. My 2G 4GB iPod mini was rated for 18 hours of battery life, yet for the first 2.5 years of its life it was able to playback for 26 hours.

iPod battery life has been grossly UNDERstated since the 4G iPods. Their computer battery life ratings are generally spot on.

You also can't find "double capacity" batteries for anything other than really old iPods (first 3 generations) any more. There is one for the 30GB 5G iPod, but its so ridiculously large that you need to swap the backing out for a 60/80GB back.

There is a very good possibility that Apple has put in a lower grade battery in the PolyCarb MB to make the UniBody MB look superior. Or maybe its the bottleneck HDD running at 5400 RPM that is used by both the UniBody and PolyCarb MB. People are not looking at the entire package, focusing on a few specs does not make a system more capable than another.

Actually, the plastic MacBooks have a battery with a designed capacity of roughly 5200mAh. The aluminum MacBooks have both a physically smaller battery and lower capacity battery at about 4200mAh. The screen, using 30% less power, and the RAM also using 30% less power, combined with the smaller motherboard and better cooling that lets the fan run at much lower speeds while under load help the battery last longer.
 
Over exaggerating much? Your statements lead me to believe you've never used a plastic MB before. Sure, they are a little prone to have cracked cases; but it's not a pandemic as your comments suggest.:rolleyes:
 
Sorry if this was already answered, since there's a ton of pages to sift through.

My friend bought the low end Macbook yesterday. Today it got updated. If she went down to the Apple store, would they let her exchange it for the updated one?
 
Over exaggerating much? Your statements lead me to believe you've never used a plastic MB before. Sure, they are a little prone to have cracked cases; but it's not a pandemic as your comments suggest.:rolleyes:

Would you like to see the receipt for my first plastic MacBook purchase? How about the receipt for the replacement unit? I have the receipt for the second replacement, third unit, that clearly shows me returning a plastic MacBook and getting the unibody. I even posted pictures of my plastic MacBook in the marketplace forum awhile back
 
I think this is an awesome and very surprising upgrade.

Three big reasons to get the new white MacBook over the unibody version:

1) Avoid the extremely glossy screen (especially that black bezel)!

2) Get Firewire.

3) Save $300.

In my mind the other differences are mostly fluff.

I've owned two white MacBooks and had zero problems with either. The new white MacBook would be a big step up from the late '06 model I have now. I'm strongly leaning toward buying one, while I haven't even considered the unibody version.
 
I think this is an awesome and very surprising upgrade.

Three big reasons to get the new white MacBook over the unibody version:

1) Avoid the extremely glossy screen (especially that black bezel)!

2) Get Firewire.

3) Save $300.

In my mind the other differences are mostly fluff.

I've owned two white MacBooks and had zero problems with either. The new white MacBook would be a big step up from the late '06 model I have now. I'm strongly leaning toward buying one, while I haven't even considered the unibody version.

The screen and bezel look far better in person than in pictures. For some reason Apple's product pictures always make the product look bad when it looks great in person.

When I had a plastic MacBook I thought it looked better than the two tone color of the unibody. But then when Apple swapped it out after so many botched repairs and I got the unibody MacBook, there was just no contest. The UniBody looks 100x better in person. Plus it doesn't feel cheap like the plastic MacBook.

And the screen is also MUCH better on the UniBody Mac. The whole "reflections" thing is completely overblown. I use mine in all types of lighting, and even outdoors, and I have never had a situation where I have even seen a reflection.

Also, Firewire is dead.

For $300 more you get a better screen, up to 40% speed improvement in bandwidth intensive applications (like games and video rendering), you get build quality that puts the plastic units to shame, better battery life, its lighter, its thinner, and most important of all, it runs MUCH cooler.

I don't see how the plastic MacBook is a realistic option for anyone. Even those on a budget. It's better to save an extra couple of months and get the computer that will last versus the cheaper one that will crack to death with time and be extremely bandwidth limited in gaming.
 
that's right! firewire 4 LIFE! everything i have in my house and studio is firewire 400 based. any computer that doesn't have firewire is worthless to me. it makes no sense to to have firewire. The cheapest laptop has it but the more expensive macbooks don't. yeah.. makes sense...
 
And, again, DDR2 versus DDR3.. you're looking at a 40% real world difference in bandwidth intensive applications. You're comparing RAM running at 667MHz versus RAM that runs at 1066MHz, as well as the architectural differences.

that 40% figure is highly inflated, tests show that DDR3 is at best 8-10% faster using the fastest most expensive DDR3 2000 desktop memory, the more realistic and affordable DDR3 1333 only gets a 1-2% boost.

Most users, even when encoding video or playing games won't notice a difference.
 
The screen and bezel look far better in person than in pictures. For some reason Apple's product pictures always make the product look bad when it looks great in person.

When I had a plastic MacBook I thought it looked better than the two tone color of the unibody. But then when Apple swapped it out after so many botched repairs and I got the unibody MacBook, there was just no contest. The UniBody looks 100x better in person. Plus it doesn't feel cheap like the plastic MacBook.

And the screen is also MUCH better on the UniBody Mac. The whole "reflections" thing is completely overblown. I use mine in all types of lighting, and even outdoors, and I have never had a situation where I have even seen a reflection.

Also, Firewire is dead.

For $300 more you get a better screen, up to 40% speed improvement in bandwidth intensive applications (like games and video rendering), you get build quality that puts the plastic units to shame, better battery life, its lighter, its thinner, and most important of all, it runs MUCH cooler.

I don't see how the plastic MacBook is a realistic option for anyone. Even those on a budget. It's better to save an extra couple of months and get the computer that will last versus the cheaper one that will crack to death with time and be extremely bandwidth limited in gaming.


How the F!!!! is firewire dead? just about every single person i know that has a mac (which is a lot of people) has at least one firewire device if not more. i have 2 external firewire drives and an external DL dvd burner that is firewire. Also an m audio firewire 410. and at the studio forget about it. everything is firewire there.
 
So where is the BTO Black case?

Or put firewire into the unibody MB

BTW the European Apple stores seem to be updated now
 
I think this is an awesome and very surprising upgrade.

Three big reasons to get the new white MacBook over the unibody version:

1) Avoid the extremely glossy screen (especially that black bezel)!

2) Get Firewire.

3) Save $300.

In my mind the other differences are mostly fluff.

I've owned two white MacBooks and had zero problems with either. The new white MacBook would be a big step up from the late '06 model I have now. I'm strongly leaning toward buying one, while I haven't even considered the unibody version.

I agree, $300 difference, it's a lot! But I do love my unibody MB, half lb lighter, aluminum body. I don't use Firewire on my MB, and have display at home to edit photos. So unibody MB is right for me. Only complaint is the battery life. I wish I could have 5 hours battery life.
 
that 40% figure is highly inflated, tests show that DDR3 is at best 8-10% faster using the fastest most expensive DDR3 2000 desktop memory, the more realistic and affordable DDR3 1333 only gets a 1-2% boost.

Most users, even when encoding video or playing games won't notice a difference.

Your argument and links fail in a number of ways.

The first link is a year and a half old running on motherboards and chipsets that were never designed for DDR3 and didn't even have DDR3 in mind when they were made. DDR3 support was just tacked on for good measure.

Second link fails because it admittedly used old and outdated software to run generic tests. They don't use a single modern game in their testing! Call of Duty 2!? Come on! Half-Life 2 is how many years old now? And anyone who knows anything about hardware and games knows that the original Half-Life 2 actually runs better on older hardware than it does on modern hardware. Plus the GPU they used was actually the limiting factor in their entire setup! The CPUs they were using were limited by the GPU. And, once again, OLD games. Quake 4, Call of Duty 2, Half-Life 2. Come on man. Seriously.

The final way your argument fails is completely neglecting the way DDR3 and DDR2 work, and neglecting the fact that the GPU performance (9400M) is directly tied to the speed of the RAM. As another user pointed out, you'll essentially (but not necessarily) have a full channel of the dual channel mode left available for the bandwidth to the GPU. That will have a very significant impact on speed.

And I can tell you from experience. I have DDR2 667 in my HP, 4GB of it. I have DDR3 1066 in my HP. Both run Core 2 Duos at 2GHz. On average, in video encoding, the MacBook is 30% faster using the same software in Windows and in OS X.

How the F!!!! is firewire dead? just about every single person i know that has a mac (which is a lot of people) has at least one firewire device if not more. i have 2 external firewire drives and an external DL dvd burner that is firewire. Also an m audio firewire 410. and at the studio forget about it. everything is firewire there.

Every single person I know that had a Mac (all but 2 have switched back to Windows now) never used Firewire. All of them used USB 2. For everything from audio recording to video cameras. Everything. USB is everywhere.
 
Would you like to see the receipt for my first plastic MacBook purchase? How about the receipt for the replacement unit? I have the receipt for the second replacement, third unit, that clearly shows me returning a plastic MacBook and getting the unibody. I even posted pictures of my plastic MacBook in the marketplace forum awhile back

So you got a few bad units. Look around this place, happens to people all the time. By no means does it represent the majority of white MacBooks, which I highly doubt suffer from the same defects at any measurable rate.
 
I am surprised I figured they were clearing out old stock like on the 17" pro till the new one was ready.

I might be more interested if they still offered the black one.

Thats the biggest reason I didn't want a pro was silver, I cheaped out and got my compaq silver, but I was hoping apple would move away from it, at least the keyboard, and bezel are black on the unibody.

On a brighter note this should further degrade the value on used models to a more appropriate price, because If I am going to buy used I want to pay a used price, not pay 1-200 less than new on a 1 or 2 year old computer.
I would much rather buy a refurb which are still overpriced and get full warranty as well.

At least its not such a big difference from the unibody now though.
 
this is apples way of discovering how much we really like the changes they have made, just the way they offered white iphones and black macbooks for an extra $100 in order to see if it was worth the extra cash to us. The aluminum macs are more environmentally friendly so i would guess that keeping the white macbook around and bumping the speed to keep up with current models is to see if we are going for the new aluminum models. I think aluminum is a good choice because its easy to recycle conducts heat REALLY well, and magnetically shields the notebook protecting it from rogue interference and your testes from heat and wifi.
 
Your argument and links fail in a number of ways.

And we should believe you because you conveniently fail to provide any links or verifiable testing to back up your lengthy diatribes?

Second link fails because it admittedly used old and outdated software to run generic tests. They don't use a single modern game in their testing!

And you fail because you ignore the 29 other software test they ran, including divx and xvid encoding, photoshop, winrar, 7zip, LAME, windows media, or are those all to outdated to matter as well?

Can you find even one other person on the entire internet that matches your claim of a 40% speedup, (oh wait, now you're claiming 30%, slipping is it?)
 
Geez, that mosx guy is pretty nasty. I do understand your pain somewhat. My mom's 2006 white Macbook had the "sudden shutdown syndrome" that plagued the first gen 'books, and I had to take it in to an Apple store to get it taken care of, and the finish on the computer really shows the dirt and oils on your hands. Her Macbook hasn't cracked, and I can probably find any number of people who haven't had the some problems as you have.

Regardless of any problems I may have had in the past, if I had to choose one Apple laptop to get, it certainly wouldn't be the Alubook. First of all, I don't think they are that impressive looking; the black bezel around the screen doesn't do it for me. As much as I dislike glossy screens, the added glare is aggravating (to me anyways). And the most egregious error is that not only did Apple take out Firewire, a technology that is most certainly not (emphasize on not) dead, they failed to add another port to take it's place. That is the most ridiculous aspect of the new Macbooks, in my opinion.

I apologize if my post didn't make a ton of sense- I'm sleeping as I type. School's been hell already:( I do think you should chill out mosx.
 
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