heisenberg123
macrumors 603
rolls-royce and rolex are not good examples those are much better and made with better quality than Ford and Timex
Apple RAM prices are even more of a joke now.
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rolls-royce and rolex are not good examples those are much better and made with better quality than Ford and Timex
Apples compare to Oranges, Rolls don't compare to "normal" cars.
Rolls Royce do not sell the same RAM sticks for 9 times the price, they sell a unique product, hand manufactured like no other.
To compare a stick of RAM with the same performance and electrical components as one a ninth of its price in the same way as you might compare a £10,000 Vauxhall Corsa to a £250 000 Rolls Royce Phantom is (dare I say it) very naive?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vauxhall_Corsa
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rolls-Royce_Phantom_Drophead_Coup%C3%A9
Damn they look and drive soooooo similar they must be the same thing!
So, please spare the cod car comparison. We all have freedom of choice but the level of trust is the factor that stimulates customer loyalty.
If the Rolls garage down the road marks up the same Phantom for £2million as you could buy the other side of town for £250,000 then the local garage is a swindler.
Can you see the similarity to Apple's pricing, or am I taking your Rolls analogy to its logical but absurd conclusion?
Rolls Royce do not sell the same RAM sticks for 9 times the price, they sell a unique product, hand manufactured like no other.
To compare a stick of RAM with the same performance and electrical components as one a ninth of its price in the same way as you might compare a £10,000 Vauxhall Corsa to a £250 000 Rolls Royce Phantom is (dare I say it) very naive?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vauxhall_Corsa
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rolls-Royce_Phantom_Drophead_Coup%C3%A9
Damn they look and drive soooooo similar they must be the same thing!
So, please spare the cod car comparison. We all have freedom of choice but the level of trust is the factor that stimulates customer loyalty.
If the Rolls garage down the road marks up the same Phantom for £2million as you could buy the other side of town for £250,000 then the local garage is a swindler.
Can you see the similarity to Apple's pricing, or am I taking your Rolls analogy to its logical but absurd conclusion?
fat jez
macrumors 68020
We're also talking bespoke parts, specific to the car. DDR3 RAM is a commodity item, common across many computers.
GGJstudios
macrumors Westmere
Not true. There are car and watch makers that produce products of much higher quality, accuracy and reliability than Rolls-Royce and Rolex, at a fraction of the price.
They are no longer entirely hand-manufactured and even when they were, their product was not better than all competing brands.
This statement proves you have no idea how free markets work. Getting back to RAM, if someone offers 4GB of RAM for sale for $5,000 that is available from another vendor for $40, that doesn't make them a swindler or disreputable or unethical. If people are willing to pay the price, you call that vendor "profitable". If people aren't willing to pay that price, you call that vendor "out of business". The marketplace determines the price. If you price something too high, nobody buys it. It's as simple as that. The fact that people buy RAM from Apple means the price, while much higher than competitors, isn't too high for those who pay the price, or they wouldn't buy it.
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Free market economics does not have to be bilking the punters to work.
Your argument is that it is legal, agreed, my argument is it damages Apple's reputation with folks who feel ripped off. This damages their image and consumer trust not their bottom line.
As long as they please enough folks with sexy tech they don't care who they shaft. Nice, real nice.
I remember a time when Apple couldn't sell a hundredth of the units they do now in a week, annually. Nobody trusted them then, I hope for their sakes that doesn't happen again. Why didn't they sell? They were overpriced. "Hang on lads, I've got an idea....."
Your argument is that it is legal, agreed, my argument is it damages Apple's reputation with folks who feel ripped off. This damages their image and consumer trust not their bottom line.
As long as they please enough folks with sexy tech they don't care who they shaft. Nice, real nice.
I remember a time when Apple couldn't sell a hundredth of the units they do now in a week, annually. Nobody trusted them then, I hope for their sakes that doesn't happen again. Why didn't they sell? They were overpriced. "Hang on lads, I've got an idea....."
thundersteele
macrumors 68030
There's no RAM upgrade option for the Air.
If you look at the 11'' Air, you get
2 GB + 64 GB SSD for $999
4 GB + 128 GB SSD for $1199
this pricing is acceptable. This also supports my assumption that a large part of the RAM price for MBPs is due to the additional effort it is for apple to provide the upgrades in store (i.e. no cheap chinese labor).
GGJstudios
macrumors Westmere
There are no 3rd party aftermarket alternatives for the hard-wired RAM in MacBook Airs. There are 3rd party alternatives for the removable RAM in other Mac models, which is the subject of this thread.
heisenberg123
macrumors 603
well i dont know enough about cars to arguee but i am interested where to get a watch made of gold and diamonds for a fracton of the price of a rolex
saberahul
macrumors 68040
Sale? I have a ESQ watch made of 24c gold with 12 diamonds to represent the hours and I got it at a killer price of just $400 from Macys.
heisenberg123
macrumors 603
i checked the ESQ website I dont see any gold and diamond watches
I just picked up this Kingston pack off Amazon. All 5 and 4 star reviews. And extremely cheap compared to Apple. I should get it tomorrow and will report back on how it goes.
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0053G6GI6/ref=oh_o00_s00_i00_details
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0053G6GI6/ref=oh_o00_s00_i00_details
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saberahul
macrumors 68040
I don't see it either... they probably discontinued it or something.
heisenberg123
macrumors 603
either way anything 24c Gold and 12 diamonds is a steal if you got it for $400
I did not know that, didn't really check the prices. That wasn't really the point though. I was simply making a case against the argument "Apple isn't forcing their RAM on you" since they are forcing it on you with their MBA.
Exactly my point, there is no way to upgrade your RAM in the MBA so the argument that Apple isn't forcing their RAM on you is incorrect since with the MBA they DO force their RAM on you.
squeakr
macrumors 68000
This argument is not valid as the RAM in this case is not a user configurable option. You might as well argue that the screen and the processor are forced on you as well, as they are not user configurable/ changeable options, yet they are possible in an a PC you build on your own. The argument point needs to be valid to count. I guess you could then argue the same point regarding the iPhone as that memory is being forced on you as well.
The user in question specifically said "Apple is not forcing you to buy their RAM", he did not specify that it was for MBP so my point still stands about the MBA and Apple forcing their RAM onto you with that product. His argument WAS invalid since he did not specify what product(s) from Apple he was referring to when saying that.
We haven't mentioned screen nor processor so I won't go into that.
Well the RAM I got from Amazon today, the Kingston brand works perfect with my Mac. Took 5 min to install it, checked my OSX and it reads it perfect, then checked over with BootCamp with Windows7 and ran the 3D render and memory read tests and it works fine. I'll see how this works now when Im video editing and have a few other apps open at once.
thermodynamic
Suspended
As long as it's of free will, and no form of psychological manipulation used by the Genius bar staff or others who have a vested interest in selling their brand memory. Psychological manipulation is cool.
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Who needs psychological manipulation - just make a proprietary hardware design off of off-the-shelf parts and voila.
There's always a choice, but with luck people will choose not to be bamboozled. Especially as consumer advocates and others in our court were all slayed by a dragon a long time ago... usually the knights slay the dragon, but this ain't no fairy tale... People, like it or not, will accept the MBA and upcoming MBP redesigns that effectively force the issue. Since nobody is offering a big rebate on migrating all of their Mac software to Windows as a form of altruism...
WhiteDuallyIL
macrumors newbie
http://www.corsair.com/memory/noteb...dr3-sodimm-memory-kit-cmsa16gx3m2a1333c9.html
I find it hilarious for the people who spent what 1500-2000 only a few months ago for the 2X8GB sticks now look at the prices.
Maybe apples prices have something to do with the fact that RAM prices have fallen so fast that Apple nor the other OEM manufactures haven't had time or want to reflect the changes in their pricing
I find it hilarious for the people who spent what 1500-2000 only a few months ago for the 2X8GB sticks now look at the prices.
Maybe apples prices have something to do with the fact that RAM prices have fallen so fast that Apple nor the other OEM manufactures haven't had time or want to reflect the changes in their pricing
Lumme I've bin rumbled.
Dammit! I have a glass head!
It wasn't my intention to take this argument to the nth degree, apologies to all for wasting your valuable eyeball time... but hey, just like the choice not to buy exorbitantly priced RAM from Apple you also have the choice not to read it.
Nanoo, nanoo over and out.
Dammit! I have a glass head!
It wasn't my intention to take this argument to the nth degree, apologies to all for wasting your valuable eyeball time... but hey, just like the choice not to buy exorbitantly priced RAM from Apple you also have the choice not to read it.
Nanoo, nanoo over and out.
Well, that is not how it really works. They are indeed doing something that could be illegal.
Can somebody sue them for this sort of rip off?
It's not a ripoff at all.
A pad purchasing decision, but Apple...and any other company...is allowed to charge whatever they want for their products, as long as they're upfront and genuine about the pricing structure.
No hidden charges, no bait and switch.
If you don't like it, shop elsewhere. We all have the right to do that (and many do).
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How do you figure this? It's not mandatory to buy, their prices are listed clearly and publicly for all to see.
Are their RAM prices high? You betcha, especially compared with the local options. Is their anything wrong with the high prices? Nope.