Apple Ramping Up Production of 13" and 15" Next Gen MacBook Pros

[manu chao]

Sorry but wrong, if you think that overheating is around 100 degrees Celsius, then while your CPU will auto shutdown at that temp, the other components inside your imac will die. Heat is one of the biggest killers in computers.

Not sure what you use your imac for, but good chance you are not stressing it. I was always sceptical of the iMacs ability to handle the heat actually, and when I bought mine got applecare with it. I have a 2010 iMac that I game on, its bloody hot to touch at the back, as it feels like it will burn your hand if your leave it there, but heck that is the way apple designed it so no probs I have given it a good workout.

So Far

1. LCD pannel has developed patches like dark grey areas
2. HD is failing - SMART warning saying it about to fail
3. Intermittent GPU errors

So its about to go back in again, and given they way its designed, the are basically going replace the LCD, HD and Logic Board, so I would say most of the iMac has been damaged and I would put it down the high level of heat inside it. 75 degrees long term exposure is bad.

My PC desktop that I built at about the same time, and with proper airflow, has not had any component issues.

Hate to spoil your rant but 70 degrees constant inside such a tight case is damaging. For anyone that does push thier imacs, get applecare, cause you will get parts replaced within its timeframe

I have run MBPs for probably a decade with a temperature-monitoring software installed. My CPU temperature is hitting 90 C regularly when under full load. But that is the CPU temperature, the HDD temperature might only be 40 C at the same time. Never had heat related failures during this time unless you count one fan bearing (though that was largely due to too much dirt and dust getting in there).

 

[Yebubbleman]

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Digitimes claims that Apple will be ramping up production of the new 15" MacBook Pro in April, but with the new 13.3" model not ramping up until June: Digitimes also notes that the orders for the 13.3" MacBook Pro is "far higher" than those of the 15" model, though without a frame of reference for the typical mix of Apple notebook sales, it's hard to gauge the significance of this observation.

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The April timing falls nicely with reports of new Intel Ivy Bridge chips that would be suitable for use in the new MacBook Pros.

Digitimes, however, doesn't provide any explanation for the discrepancy in the production dates between the 13" and 15" models. It's seems possible that Intel CPU availability may have something to do with the timetable as it was reported the very low power Ivy Bridge CPUs also won't be ready until June. Apple has typically only used these low power CPUs in the MacBook Air line, but the MacBook Pro has been rumored to be adopting a thinner and more Air-like appearance.

Previous reports claimed that the new MacBook Pros will feature a thinner design without an optical drive. We've been hearing whispers about this kind of Macbook Air inspired design since April of last year.

Article Link: Apple Ramping Up Production of 13" and 15" Next Gen MacBook Pros

I can't tell if this is as a result of how this article is written, but this does seem to hint that the 13" Pro is to be replaced by the 13" Air, which as much as I hate to say it, is a natural thing to have happen given that good graphics aren't sacrificed, and the target market audience of the 13" MacBook Pro are not likely to be inconvenienced by the lack of an internal optical disc drive or of the capacity provided by using a hard drive over a solid state drive.

15" Air, here we come.

Hopefully the graphics are nothing to sneeze at.

Don't hold your breath. Intel HD 4000. It'll be better than the Intel HD 3000 and the NVIDIA GeForce 320M. But it'll still be sub-par by comparison to a contemporary AMD or NVIDIA IGP and it'll have nothing on the discrete GPUs that SHOULD be in the MacBook Pros at the time.

I'm pretty sure they did something of the sort when the MBP transitioned to the unibody design. The 15" was updated long before the 17" MBP.

If by "long before" you mean only three months before. Or do you count time in dog years.

From the article: "Apple has typically only used these low power CPUs in the MacBook Air line, but the MacBook Pro has been rumored to be adopting a thinner and more Air-like appearance.

Previous reports claimed that the new MacBook Pros will feature a thinner design without an optical drive. We've been hearing whispers about this kind of Macbook Air inspired design since April of last year."

I hope this is not true. If they do this the MacBook Pro certainly won't be the machine it should be. If they do this, what is to distinguish the two notebook lines? Leave the Superdrive where it is. When things are made too thin they overheat and need to use lesser powered components. The iMac is too thin now. This is why it has to use higher priced notebook components. And those components are more expensive and not as powerful as their desktop counterparts. And the iMacs still overheat because Apple places form over function.

Finally, a voice of reason!!! And I'm not even being sarcastic!

Battery > OOD

In theory, I agree. Sad thing is that Apple will never use the space allowed by reclaiming that cavity for anything other than an excuse to make the machine needlessly thinner.

YES! NO MORE USELESS OPTICAL DRIVE!
I'll be the first one to order the new 15' MBP! Been waiting for too long to upgrade my 2007 MBP!

You must not do complex things with your computer, such as media production, virtualization of OSes that shipped on optical discs, or installation of larger pieces of software not made by Apple, Adobe, or Microsoft, of which (last I checked) there were tons of. Why does someone like you even need a MacBook Pro, isn't the Air enough?

Hope this time 13" MacBook pro comes out with the MATTE screen option. Reflection in Glossy screens is irritating.

Most people who would be in the market for a 13" MacBook Pro don't care. That kind of feature is usually reserved for machines that are more likely to be used for those purposes such as the 15" and 17" MacBook Pros. I'm not saying, I'm stoked on it myself, I'm just saying that there hasn't been a need for it as far as the majority of those buying 13" MacBook Pros are concerned. Otherwise, they'd have provided an option for it, given that 15" and 17" MacBook Pros have had that option since 2009.

Apple better can the ODD, especially if Apple won't adopt Blu-Ray. Standard Def is DOA. Let Lacie/Toast provide Blu-Ray for those who want it, and allow Apple to fill in the MBP space with stellar guts.

The expectation that Apple will use the space to fill the MacBook Pro with "stellar guts" is nothing short of delusional. If they remove it, they'll use that excuse to make it thinner which does nothing for someone wanting a MacBook Pro and not an Apple branded Ultrabook (otherwise known as the MacBook Air). Sorry to burst your bubble.

Unless Apple removes all software from the shelf and put it online, there will be a need for the ODD.

We know that Apple has the best servers in the world that can handle ALL the downloads when they have something new that comes out and the world wants it at the same time! Think back when Lion came out, when a new iOS comes out, what issues have you run into trying to download.

Most people on here don't think that far in advance about it. They only pay attention to Apple's "vision" of the future without paying attention to the fact that it isn't the present yet. I seriously applaud you for not being such a person. This site needs more people with a head on their shoulders.

Again, for those who need ODD, they can buy an external. It doesn't make sense for Apple to keep ODD in it for users to carry around when most users aren't even using it. Even the Mac Mini no longer has ODD, and it will be extremely unlikely for Apple to keep it in MBP.

I used my ODD in my 2007 MBP maybe around 10 times in total. And I finally decided to yank it out and put a 500GB HDD in place of it couple years ago. Never looked back.

I'll bet you the cost of the next generation MacBook Pro that I can find at least as many people as have posted in this thread who would not only be upset that there isn't an internal optical drive, but would also not be satisfied with the option of the external drive as a replacement. Seriously, a bunch of people on here poo-poo the optical drive and suddenly they're convinced the entire world wants it gone. Many people find it useful, even still and without a chart proving that only a minority still wants it, the notion to the contrary is just as ridiculous. The MacBook Air and the Mac mini are lower-end Macs, the optical drive is being relagated as a higher-end feature for those who actually want features on their Mac other than lack of weight or thickness.

If I understand correctly...make a 15" MBA for the people that don't want an ODD. And leave the ODD in the MBP for those that want that option. But, make the MBP thinner with newer and better guts!

"Thinner" and "newer and better guts" tend to not go well together in the same sentence. Unless there's a major technological breakthrough, which Ivy Bridge, nor any of the current or upcoming NVIDIA or AMD mobile non-gamer-laptop GPUs are not. It's a nice idea though.

Or they're just planning on using dual cores for most of the 13" line, dual core mobile Ivy Bridge chips won't be available till June unlike the quads

Last I heard, only the ULV Ivy Bridge chips are being delayed until June and the dual-core non-ULV mobile CPUs are coming out at the same time as the mobile quads. Or am I out of date on this?

I think the 17' would be canned.

As the only Mac laptop with the ExpressCard slot, three USB ports, and (if these nonsense rumors about an Air-like 15" Pro replacing the current design are at all true), an Ethernet Port, FireWire Port as well, I have a feeling that the 17" MacBook Pro will, now more than ever, have a practical reason for still existing.

Sorry but wrong, if you think that overheating is around 100 degrees Celsius, then while your CPU will auto shutdown at that temp, the other components inside your imac will die. Heat is one of the biggest killers in computers.

Not sure what you use your imac for, but good chance you are not stressing it. I was always sceptical of the iMacs ability to handle the heat actually, and when I bought mine got applecare with it. I have a 2010 iMac that I game on, its bloody hot to touch at the back, as it feels like it will burn your hand if your leave it there, but heck that is the way apple designed it so no probs I have given it a good workout.

So Far

1. LCD pannel has developed patches like dark grey areas
2. HD is failing - SMART warning saying it about to fail
3. Intermittent GPU errors

So its about to go back in again, and given they way its designed, the are basically going replace the LCD, HD and Logic Board, so I would say most of the iMac has been damaged and I would put it down the high level of heat inside it. 75 degrees long term exposure is bad.

My PC desktop that I built at about the same time, and with proper airflow, has not had any component issues.

Hate to spoil your rant but 70 degrees constant inside such a tight case is damaging. For anyone that does push thier imacs, get applecare, cause you will get parts replaced within its timeframe

Having worked at an Apple Authorized Service Provider for a long while, I can tell you that liquid-spills and NVIDIA GeForce 8600M GT repair extension program repairs aside, the Macs we'd get in most for repair are iMacs. By far. For the reasons you outlined. It is for this reason as well as the lack of easy hard drive expandability, that I will never ever buy another iMac ever again, nor will I recommend it to anyone.

 

[manu chao]

Trolling-times have an almost zero track record.

The funniest thing about the 13 inch macbook pro: Its the worst selling Apple laptop. Its the only Apple laptop that I constantly see at deep discount in Apple resellers stores. 25-30% off list price. Cheaper then Macbook Air.

The 13 inch macbook pro don't have a market segment since the AIR almost have the same hardware. A bit more CPU, 2.5 inch hard drive and an optical drive. 2/3 of those things are unimportant.

If Apple manages to put in a discrete graphics card in the 13 inches, then there is a reason for that product. But today = no.

Which 13" MB can have significantly more than 256 GB of storage ie, serve those that have a decent music collection (50+ GB) and take a decent amount of pictures (100+ GB) and have Windows virtual machine with a few snapshots (40+ GB) and have a couple of ripped movies (50+ GB)? And as a bonus want an SSD without springing for the 500 GB version or needing more than that 500 GB. And do want to run more than a few applications side-by-side, ie, need at least 8 GB of RAM?

 

[jlc1978]

Would that allow the ability for Bluray as an option?

Not really - Apple's opposition to Blu ray has not been a technical as much as a licensing issue - they don't want to add all the end to end DRM that is required for Blu-Ray; so it'll probably only remain available as a hack.

 

[Relativistic]

If they remove, according to market speculations, the ODD, half of connectivities, make it pretty much just like the MBA

No it won't. A very thin laptop will never have the heat dissipation of a larger laptop. So it makes sense to keep both the Air and the Pro line. The Air will possibly get thinner too in its next design cycle.

Air = 18-25W tdp cpus, 2 cores now, 4 in the future with Haswell
Pro = 35-45W tdp cpus, 4 cores now, 6-8 cores in the future with Haswell

Same goes for the GPUs contained in these machines.

As for the ODD, bye bye, I surely won't miss you.

 

[finalcut]

Will that new model come with usb3? Or this is something that can be disabled by Apple just to stay with TB only?

I only hope to have usb3 because TB drive are just way too pricy for my needs. USB3 would be the only reason why I would upgrade right now.

 

[AntJon82]

Spot on

Unless Apple removes all software from the shelf and put it online, there will be a need for the ODD.

We know that Apple has the best servers in the world that can handle ALL the downloads when they have something new that comes out and the world wants it at the same time! Think back when Lion came out, when a new iOS comes out, what issues have you run into trying to download.

YA EXACTLY RIGHT WE NEED ODD BUT IF DEY GET RID OF IT NO UPGRADE FROM MY EARLY 2011 13" APPLE THINK BOUT THE REAL PRO's WHO BURN DVD's AND CD SMH DONT LISTEN TO THE LOSERS OF THE NET THAT DONT LIEK OR USE THE ODD

 

[Wrathwitch]

Kind of makes me wonder what, if anything, they have planned for the 17" MBP which is what I have been waiting for.....

 

[nick_elt]

Wirelessly posted

Maybe my English got worse, but I don't quite get it. From my understanding the article says Apple is producing the new versions of the 13" and 15" MacBook Pro. And the production of the 15" is ramping up. And the production of the 13" not - but it is still in production with reaching the highest production peak around june. Huh?

Thank you!

P. S.: That doesn't make much sense for me: Especially if they order a lot more 13"...

Trolling-times have an almost zero track record.

The funniest thing about the 13 inch macbook pro: Its the worst selling Apple laptop. Its the only Apple laptop that I constantly see at deep discount in Apple resellers stores. 25-30% off list price. Cheaper then Macbook Air.

The 13 inch macbook pro don't have a market segment since the AIR almost have the same hardware. A bit more CPU, 2.5 inch hard drive and an optical drive. 2/3 of those things are unimportant.

If Apple manages to put in a discrete graphics card in the 13 inches, then there is a reason for that product. But today = no.

I wish Digi/Trolling times stopped write stuff about Apple.

Id like to see your proof that the 13" mbp worst selling mac comp because its the most common mac that I see around and def i will be buying one later this year. I bet they sell alot more 13" than 17" or 15" as its more of a consumer laptop and thats where apple gets most of its customers these days wether u like it or not.

 

[Wrathwitch]

Sorry but wrong, if you think that overheating is around 100 degrees Celsius, then while your CPU will auto shutdown at that temp, the other components inside your imac will die. Heat is one of the biggest killers in computers.

Not sure what you use your imac for, but good chance you are not stressing it. I was always sceptical of the iMacs ability to handle the heat actually, and when I bought mine got applecare with it. I have a 2010 iMac that I game on, its bloody hot to touch at the back, as it feels like it will burn your hand if your leave it there, but heck that is the way apple designed it so no probs I have given it a good workout.

So Far

1. LCD pannel has developed patches like dark grey areas
2. HD is failing - SMART warning saying it about to fail
3. Intermittent GPU errors

So its about to go back in again, and given they way its designed, the are basically going replace the LCD, HD and Logic Board, so I would say most of the iMac has been damaged and I would put it down the high level of heat inside it. 75 degrees long term exposure is bad.

My PC desktop that I built at about the same time, and with proper airflow, has not had any component issues.

Hate to spoil your rant but 70 degrees constant inside such a tight case is damaging. For anyone that does push thier imacs, get applecare, cause you will get parts replaced within its timeframe

I agree with you wrt Apple Care. I had the grey smudgy thing also, and they came to my house, diagnosed, and replaced the LCD in my house all under warranty! Mine is a 2008 and I game aprx 4-5 hours per day on it since I had it. I just ensure I use things like smc fan control and because I put such a heavy load on it, I have a small fan hidden behind it for when I am gaming.

 

[Mackan]

Intel must be giving OEM's earlier access to chips of machines are in store for the 28th release. I guess that means Apple Mac event might be early-mid April instead of May.

Release in April is too optimistic. I think Apple will ship their new notebooks in June.

 

[Wrathwitch]

regarding 13" screen....

I don't know how people can stand it..... I have a 13" MBA and the screen real estate is NOT enough (if you game at all). I am waiting to replace it with a 17" MBP.

MBA is nice, but I should have known myself better, I just thought that the 13" would suffice, it doesn't.

I don't game on it, I just wanted a back up machine for when I end up going on courses etc that I could still game in my leisure time, and while the MBA did really well in that it was pretty smooth for World of Warcraft, the screen real estate sucked...

 

[Abazigal]

I think the 17' would be canned.

To be honest, I have this feeling too. The 17' pro has always struck me as a sore thumb of sorts. I won't be surprised if apple decides to make the 15' the definitive workhorse laptop instead.

 

[Krazy Bill]

I used my ODD in my 2007 MBP maybe around 10 times in total. And I finally decided to yank it out and put a 500GB HDD in place of it couple years ago. Never looked back.

Well, have you stopped to think that if Apple removes the ODD you won't be able to do that anymore.

 

[seek3r]

Last I heard, only the ULV Ivy Bridge chips are being delayed until June and the dual-core non-ULV mobile CPUs are coming out at the same time as the mobile quads. Or am I out of date on this?

You're out of date on this, though I had the "end of june" wrong too, it'll be early june

CPU World's list

or even our very own MR

Well, have you stopped to think that if Apple removes the ODD you won't be able to do that anymore.

That's what worries me, since I'll want an SSD+larger, slower disk in my new machine as in my current one... though maybe they'll do a blade SSD + space for a spinning disk type thing and still kill the optical, that'd work out well enough I suppose

 

[manu chao]

Well, have you stopped to think that if Apple removes the ODD you won't be able to do that anymore.

Of course what we hope for is blade SSDs + one 2.5" bay.

 

[pwhitehead]

I have a MacBook pro from march 2010 and I've very happy about it! Unfortunately my apple care runs out march of 2013 and I need to get something new as a back up. I'm really looking to get a Mac pro or a iMac when the new production line comes out.

I always wondered How the Mac airs were and never could imagining rendering with final cut or motion. I did have someone from apple tell me when I asked, "what do I do when I need to install or use CDs?" he said "when's the last time u heard someone using a cd rom drive I'm the past 9 months?".

So I don't know; no matter what my heart is set on a Mac pro or a iMac

 

[TheStoof]

I'm looking forward to getting a 17" MBP. I made the mistake of making my own $700 PC, but I absolutely *LOVE* OS X, and because most of what I do is done in VMs...all I need is VM Fusion.

I'll miss that optical drive though...mobile RedBox machine? No more!

 

[Liquinn]

I'm looking forward to getting a 17" MBP. I made the mistake of making my own $700 PC, but I absolutely *LOVE* OS X, and because most of what I do is done in VMs...all I need is VM Fusion.

I'll miss that optical drive though...mobile RedBox machine? No more!

My concern is they're not talking about the 17".

 

[Rafterman]

I already beat Apple to it when I removed the optical drive from my 15 inch Macbook Pro and used one of those kits to put in a second, 1TB drive, to go with my primary SATA3 256GB SSD primary drive. Speed AND storage space, without crippling the bank account

 

[nick_elt]

Wirelessly posted

regarding 13" screen....

I don't know how people can stand it..... I have a 13" MBA and the screen real estate is NOT enough (if you game at all). I am waiting to replace it with a 17" MBP.

MBA is nice, but I should have known myself better, I just thought that the 13" would suffice, it doesn't.

I don't game on it, I just wanted a back up machine for when I end up going on courses etc that I could still game in my leisure time, and while the MBA did really well in that it was pretty smooth for World of Warcraft, the screen real estate sucked...

Well i dont think apple is really a gamers choice of computers. For most its about portability and because of that id never get a laptop above 13" anymore. If i want to play games id use my ps3 and my 42" led tv.

 

[2contagious]

To be honest, I have this feeling too. The 17' pro has always struck me as a sore thumb of sorts. I won't be surprised if apple decides to make the 15' the definitive workhorse laptop instead.

To be honest, coming from a 17" 2011 MBP, I love the resolution of 1920x1200 at this screen size. I wouldn't mind going for a 15" 2012 MBP if the resolution is at least HiRes as standard and I really want a matte screen again.

I do think that it's very very likely for Apple to axe the 17", since the 15" and 17" models have been on par performance / hardware wise for a while (disregarding the screen sizes) and Apple's hardware route is on the ultra-mobile trend.

All I ask for this time around is that Apple gets their sh... together with backlight bleeding on their displays, it's terrible! Also, that extra space they'll get by eliminating the SuperDrive, they could use to increase battery size (what Apple also likes to do...) in order to power an IPS display (that is provided they don't have yellow stains, yellow tinge issues, backlight bleeding etc. lol)

 

[TheStoof]

regarding 13" screen....

I don't know how people can stand it..... I have a 13" MBA and the screen real estate is NOT enough (if you game at all). I am waiting to replace it with a 17" MBP.

MBA is nice, but I should have known myself better, I just thought that the 13" would suffice, it doesn't.

I don't game on it, I just wanted a back up machine for when I end up going on courses etc that I could still game in my leisure time, and while the MBA did really well in that it was pretty smooth for World of Warcraft, the screen real estate sucked...

I disagree. The 13" has such a low resolution that even the 320M can play games such as Skyrim, so I'm pretty happy with my Macbook White's performance.

However, as you said, a higher screen resolution IS necessary, so I'm upgrading to the 17" this Fall as my mobile/desktop solution.

 

[Konrad]

marx or engels?

Steve is dead, we may never know now. The king is dead, long live the king (?)

 

[LaWally]

So if this rumor is true, that would mean that updates to the following are still pending:

MBA 11"
MBP 17"
Mac Mini
iMac
Mac Pro

Does it seem likely that Apple would release updates for all 5 within a 6 month period (i.e., July - Dec). Not to me.

One or more of these might be pushed into 2013.