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Same, it will be my first and have really thought about other options like iMac or MBA, but the new suspected 15" MBP sound really appealing especially with a redesign and the retina display for the use at UNI in september with architectural 3D high res programs.

Also with it being my first i am quite new to some of these subjects but hopefully i am picking up the lingo with the mac world. Always had an iPhone and love them + fingers crossed getting the new iPad on the same day as the MBP :D:apple::D

I need a new phone come September so I will get the newest iPhone then. The only other Apple product I have is the 2nd Generation Touch.

Still trying to get the just of Apple products but I am loving it!
 
The current 15" has a top quality matte screen (if you pay for that option).

I hope the next generation has an equally good screen, and screen quality not being sacrificed to a thinner design.

A dedicated GPU is a must as well.

I hope for 16 Gb RAM (where you don't have to buy those crazy expensive 8 Gb modules).

This has to stay the mobile power computing station that it was (particularly with the last generation moving to 4 cores).

A 15" MBA - fine, but not displacing the 15" MBP (which I could never imagine would happen).

I'm already loosening the wallet in my pocket...
 
Release in April is too optimistic. I think Apple will ship their new notebooks in June.

Aren't the MacBooksPros the most profitable part of Apple's Mac Business?

June would be too pessimistic there will be ivy bridge laptops selling for a clear month if they wait till June. Everyone knows it's coming, even people I wouldn't expect to care are waiting for Ivy Bridge.

I can see Apple wanting stock in store and selling, if only 13 & 15 models, the first moment they can under their agreements with Intel. Which would be why there is ramp up in those models only so far.

I can't see why they'd wait till June it's not like they'll release the Airs the same time anyway. They'll want a separate Air press event anyway.
 
I haven't used the optical drive on my 13" macbook pro yet. I'd be happy if the price of the 13" macbook pro stayed where it is and ditched the optical drive for a slimmer profile and or more battery life. I'd sell this on ebay the day it was announced.

Also on the day your aforementioned would-be 13" MacBook Pro is announced, pigs will finally take flight. Again, slimmer doesn't equate to more or better anything. Why is this so hard for you people to understand?

I'm not sure the Mac Pro is even explicitly necessary anymore. The only people using the bandwidth that the Mac Pro provides are people who are editing video. Most of the machine goes to waste.

PCI-E provides the necessary bandwidth to offload video rendering to a dedicated hardare box. We already see Thunderbolt enabled boxes for running video through H.264. It's faster to do H.264 transcoding with a dedicated Thunderbolt device than it is to actually use the CPU resources in the Mac Pro. A Final Cut "render box" is within the capabilities of the technology. You could even offload an entire graphics card with low bandwidth requirements.

Ease of internal hard drive expansion is pretty great. I don't place any stock in Thunderbolt until the price drops and it catches on. I know Apple thinks it's great and it will catch on, but they've been wrong about that before. The Mac Pro has more flexibility than any other Mac period. My guess is they'll keep it around simply because no other Mac has its functionality and some NEED that. I'd predict that the same thing will probably happen with the 17" MacBook Pro if these stupid rumors prove to be accurate (which I seriously doubt they will).
 
Ease of internal hard drive expansion is pretty great. I don't place any stock in Thunderbolt until the price drops and it catches on. I know Apple thinks it's great and it will catch on, but they've been wrong about that before. The Mac Pro has more flexibility than any other Mac period. My guess is they'll keep it around simply because no other Mac has its functionality and some NEED that. I'd predict that the same thing will probably happen with the 17" MacBook Pro if these stupid rumors prove to be accurate (which I seriously doubt they will).

Apple has never been a company to keep things around because a few people "need" them.

Thunderbolt has already caught on in a big way because of it's compatibility with PCI-E. There are a few limitations today based on bandwidth, but future iterations of Thunderbolt mean that there is no difference in bandwidth between internal and external. If it goes in a PCI-E slot today, it can be a Thunderbolt device tomorrow.

Outside of video I'm not sure there is any use for the Mac Pro that has a wide enough audience for them to continue an entire production line.

The Mac Pro is a relic from another era. Updated on the inside, but a relic nonetheless. Before you could rent 100 CPUs/GPUs by the hour for cheap. Before high speed data transfer like Thunderbolt, USB 3.0 and even eSATA.

To be honest, I'd be rather alarmed, as a shareholder, if they continue to pump money into production lines that result in nothing but disappointing and declining revenues year after year.
 
My predictions:

Likely:
Slimmer
Longer Battery
Ditch Optical Drive
Ivy Bridge obviously and latest ATI family

Possibility:
Retina/HiDPI display
256gb or larger SSD inclusion.
 
YES! NO MORE USELESS OPTICAL DRIVE!
I'll be the first one to order the new 15' MBP! Been waiting for too long to upgrade my 2007 MBP!

To you an optical drive is useless. To others it is needed. If you dislike the optical drive so bad just take it out & put in a SSD or a 2nd HD. There are several copanies that offer the conversion parts. Mine was very easy to do.
 
To you an optical drive is useless. To others it is needed. If you dislike the optical drive so bad just take it out & put in a SSD or a 2nd HD. There are several copanies that offer the conversion parts. Mine was very easy to do.

I don't want to pay for things I don't want or spend time and effort removing and adding parts in order to get the MacBook I want. I suspect the overwhelming majority of Apple customers feel the same.

What is comes down to is whether Apple thinks they can sell more MacBook Pros with an optical drive or without one as well as which way fits in best with where they want to take the market. One way or another, that decision has already been made.
 
So iPad and iPhone brought better profit margin that they delay Macbooks!

Or they kill MacBooks. Why build anything with a worse profit margin?

Apple OSX is a drain on profit margins. Kill the Imac and Mac Pro as well.
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Seriously, anyone who needs a Mac Pro should be worried.

Anyone who needs an Xserve has already migrated to another company.

Anyone using an Imac who'd prefer the Xmac should be worried.

Anyone using an Imac for stuff that they could do on an Ipad should sell the Imac.

Tim Cook is a bean counter - and "Apple OSX" doesn't add up.
 
You must not do complex things with your computer, such as media production, virtualization of OSes that shipped on optical discs, or installation of larger pieces of software not made by Apple, Adobe, or Microsoft, of which (last I checked) there were tons of. Why does someone like you even need a MacBook Pro, isn't the Air enough?

You are mistaken. I do heavy development in C++ on server software and most of the time I run two virtual machines (CentOS and Windows Server) to make sure my stuff compiles and works on those platforms. I need 8GB of RAM. I do NOT need and do NOT want an optical drive in my laptop.
 
Apple has never been a company to keep things around because a few people "need" them.

This would explain why Apple kept around the Power Mac G5 and the iBook G4 for many months following the completion of the Intel switch. This would explain why the 17" MacBook Pro has the ExpressCard Slot even still to this day. Are you kidding me? Apple is absolutely a company to keep things around because large sections of their install base (who aren't the everyday consumer) will not buy their stuff otherwise.

Thunderbolt has already caught on in a big way because of it's compatibility with PCI-E. There are a few limitations today based on bandwidth, but future iterations of Thunderbolt mean that there is no difference in bandwidth between internal and external. If it goes in a PCI-E slot today, it can be a Thunderbolt device tomorrow.

Thunderbolt is still way to expensive and it is not yet on many devices. Yes, there is a PCI-E to Thunderbolt adapter out on the market. What if I want to run two things at once as is commonly done on a Mac Pro? Thunderbolt is a great idea, it is nowhere near as ubiquitous as even FireWire 800 and even that's a fairly uncommon thing to see around these days. When it is cheaper, and even half as common as USB 2.0 or, hell, even PCI-E itself, then I'll hear your claim of how widespread Thunderbolt is as a connectivity standard.

Outside of video I'm not sure there is any use for the Mac Pro that has a wide enough audience for them to continue an entire production line.

Uh, way more than video professionals use the Mac Pro, pal. Audio, 3D rendering, CAD, all of that stuff is done on Macs. Maybe not exclusively, but still there are plenty of Mac Pros out there in service being used for these things.

The Mac Pro is a relic from another era. Updated on the inside, but a relic nonetheless. Before you could rent 100 CPUs/GPUs by the hour for cheap. Before high speed data transfer like Thunderbolt, USB 3.0 and even eSATA.

I'm sorry, I must've missed something crucial to your point here. Just because the Mac Pro lacks Thunderbolt means it's a relic? Same with USB 3.0, which Intel hasn't even natively shipped support for yet? Same with eSATA which services the 17" MacBook Pro and Mac Pro customers that need it just fine with a PCI-E/ExpressCard card? If it's a relic for any reason, it's because it's still using Westmere at its high-end and not the Sandy Bridge E equivalent and it's still using, at best, the ATI Radeon HD 5780 and not the AMD Radeon HD 7970. Otherwise, yeah, you're right, it is not a Mac laptop, nor an iPad, nor an iPod touch or iPhone, and thusly it's, by post-PC standards, a relic. No, it's not a consumer toy. But that doesn't mean that it is, for a large amount, the best Mac there is.

To be honest, I'd be rather alarmed, as a shareholder, if they continue to pump money into production lines that result in nothing but disappointing and declining revenues year after year.

It's a good thing that you're not a majority shareholder then, as that kind of shortsightedness could get Apple into a lot of trouble. :rolleyes:

I don't want to pay for things I don't want or spend time and effort removing and adding parts in order to get the MacBook I want. I suspect the overwhelming majority of Apple customers feel the same.

While a majority of Mac users might not use or value their optical drive, only a minority actually want them gone. There's a huge difference between those two and very few people in these forums seem to grasp that, sadly. Incidentally, even fewer Mac users care about having a second hard drive or a second solid state drive or a combination between the two. Were this not the case, OS X would have an easy way of setting itself up out of the box to place the user data on the locally attached hard drive while leaving the OS on the SSD, as that's the way to have a Mac with one of each kind of drive. Apple ships three product lines each capable of such a configuration (iMac, Mac mini, Mac Pro) and you'd think that by now, they'd modify their setup assistant to account for such configurations. Guess what? They don't. Which can only mean one thing. People who want the Mac you want are in the minority even if people who don't care about the optical drive are in the majority.


What is comes down to is whether Apple thinks they can sell more MacBook Pros with an optical drive or without one as well as which way fits in best with where they want to take the market. One way or another, that decision has already been made.

Apple has had no trouble selling the MacBook Pros just the way they are. Hell, there have been multiple revisions now where the only thing changed is a slight speed bump. Case in point: the Late 2011 generation MacBook Pros. The MacBook Pro serves drastically different functions than the MacBook Air. To merge the two or replace the former line with the latter line will have negative repercussions for Apple and it doesn't take an ACMT know-it-all to tell either you or them that. At least, it shouldn't.

You are mistaken. I do heavy development in C++ on server software and most of the time I run two virtual machines (CentOS and Windows Server) to make sure my stuff compiles and works on those platforms. I need 8GB of RAM. I do NOT need and do NOT want an optical drive in my laptop.

You say that like it's actually taking up space and weight that would be used for something unrealistically desired. Have you ever held an Optical Drive outside of these machines...they're remarkably thin and they don't weigh anything. Barring those as complaints or the ridiculous notion that Apple would use that space for something other than needless thinness, what is your big aversion to the optical drive? Did it kill your father? Even worse, IS your father an optical drive? Because honestly, as ridiculous as that sounds, having that strong of an aversion to something on a laptop that is already thinnest in its class and wouldn't bring about anything great in its absence is about as ridiculous of an assertion as they come, I'm sorry.
 
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Digitimes is full of crap. Their upstream supply chain source is just Intel, which just let out that the quad-core chips come out in April and the dual-cores come out in June. The article has nothing that everybody didn't already know from yesterday's announcement, unless Apple manages to cram a quad-core into a 13".
 
If the new MBP's get announced in April/May, I'll be really happy.

If they get announced at WWDC along with Mountain Lion and iOS 6 in June (week of the 11th), I'll still be happy.

If they don't get announced til the fall for some bizzare reason, but ML, iOS 6 and the next iPhone are announced at WWDC, I'm still really happy (my 3Gs probably won't even be able to run iOS 6).

If MBP's and the next iPhone aren't announced til the fall, I'll be so @$#^%* angry, I will find Tim Cook and set him straight but I'm sure Tim knows better than to make me angry :p
 
You say that like it's actually taking up space and weight that would be used for something unrealistically desired. Have you ever held an Optical Drive outside of these machines...they're remarkably thin and they don't weigh anything. Barring those as complaints or the ridiculous notion that Apple would use that space for something other than needless thinness, what is your big aversion to the optical drive? Did it kill your father? Even worse, IS your father an optical drive? Because honestly, as ridiculous as that sounds, having that strong of an aversion to something on a laptop that is already thinnest in its class and wouldn't bring about anything great in its absence is about as ridiculous of an assertion as they come, I'm sorry.

I can see you're a bit immature from the fact that you brought up my father for no reason other than wanting to start a flame.

The reason I don't want an optical drive for my laptop is probably the same reason you wouldn't want a floppy drive in your laptop. I bet that you strongly don't want a floppy drive in your laptop.

In any case, the next MBP will probably not have any ODD, whether you like it or not.
 
If Apple ditches the optical drive, then the MBP I currently have will be the last one I ever buy. And if it breaks down, I'll just buy a used one from a previous generation.

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Ask your wallet.

I agree. No matter how many people vote your comment down. I also saw one person make the comment that this is the post PC era. I think that is an absurd statement. They still make and sell PC's. They are even updating PC's and selling the newer ones. So this is obviously not the post PC era. Just because Steve Jobs says something doesn't make it so.
 
I agree. No matter how many people vote your comment down. I also saw one person make the comment that this is the post PC era. I think that is an absurd statement. They still make and sell PC's. They are even updating PC's and selling the newer ones. So this is obviously not the post PC era. Just because Steve Jobs says something doesn't make it so.

Post PC era? You are right, that is not only absurd, it is absurd fantasy. As much as I like Apple, without t PCs the World would come to a halt. I bet that even Apple would come to a terrible dead end, as their manufacturing and operations realistically must be PC-dependent. Imagine a company like United Technologies buying MBPs for all computer users within their pool of 210,000 employees, just because Apple is pretty. Apple OS cannot be used for any critical industrial or specifically infrastructure environments for a number of reasons, but also because it has proprietary hardware....They better not remove the Ethernet, or they will not confirm your hotel booking next time.
 
Because honestly, if you're not, then you seriously can't expect us to take your anti-ODD claims (with respect to an iMac of all Macs) even remotely seriously.

I didn't make any "claims" about anything. I said the ODD is completely pointless and i want it gone. And as far as what you do or don't take seriously, i don't care. At all.
 
I hope they use Nvidia dedicated GPU's on these ones. AMD 7x mobility series suck compared to Nvidia's mobility offerings right now.
 
You say that like it's actually taking up space and weight that would be used for something unrealistically desired. Have you ever held an Optical Drive outside of these machines...they're remarkably thin and they don't weigh anything. Barring those as complaints or the ridiculous notion that Apple would use that space for something other than needless thinness, what is your big aversion to the optical drive? Did it kill your father? Even worse, IS your father an optical drive? Because honestly, as ridiculous as that sounds, having that strong of an aversion to something on a laptop that is already thinnest in its class and wouldn't bring about anything great in its absence is about as ridiculous of an assertion as they come, I'm sorry.

apple sees thinness as beauty, apple has always put form over function. that is a major appeal to consumers including myself. having the macbook thinner will not mean a steep compromise in power. some people may still use an optical drive but i would beg to differ than most people still want one in their laptops.

this is a new design for apple that will probably last 4-5 years until a new generation. every year the optical drive will become less used by people. software is and will continue to fade out of cd and continue to move forward to digital in the upcoming years.
 
To you an optical drive is useless. To others it is needed. If you dislike the optical drive so bad just take it out & put in a SSD or a 2nd HD. There are several copanies that offer the conversion parts. Mine was very easy to do.

Not many people bother to do it though. All the people around me whom I know totting around MBPs just opt to use it out of the box, they don't care about opening it up to install ram or SSDs.

In the same vein, I can just as easily turn your statement on yourself. I too can say, to you, an optical drive is invaluable. To others, it is just dead weight. If you need the optical drive so much, just buy a superdrive and bring it around. Why make others pay for parts they don't need, or carrying around stuff they don't want? :p

You will just have to accept that sometimes, there is no compromise or middle ground that can be reached. Whatever Apple's decision, someone will lose out, or not gain as much as they want out of the new release. Making noise here isn't going to change a thing, unless Apple suddenly decides to start making its business decisions based off the comments on this forum.
 
I didn't make any "claims" about anything. I said the ODD is completely pointless and i want it gone. And as far as what you do or don't take seriously, i don't care. At all.

Cocky Jeremy:
Yes, right as you wish, on your command, Apple will remove the useless to you ODD. If they don't, I will yank it out just for you with my own hands!

Seriously, because no one here knows how many use it or are like Cocky, let's hope for apple to show enough common sense to make that space for either option per individual user specification.
 
Shipping for all MacBook pros and iMacs has slipped to 1-2 days on Australian online apple store. Normally, immediate. Sign of impending update?

Edit: checked amazon; 11 stock left of 1 model. Signs are beginning to show of supply shortage for old model.
 
Cocky Jeremy:
Yes, right as you wish, on your command, Apple will remove the useless to you ODD. If they don't, I will yank it out just for you with my own hands!

Seriously, because no one here knows how many use it or are like Cocky, let's hope for apple to show enough common sense to make that space for either option per individual user specification.

You act like Apple has never stopped putting stuff in their machines that people use before. Just because people still use the ODD isn't a reason why they won't stop putting it in machines. They've done it before. Floppy drives, serial ports, etc.
 
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