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There should be an option where the person can check off they are NOT in support of the campus.....

Oh wait, I forgot, Apple doesnt believe in choice. lol

There SHOULD be an option, and it's pathetic you're getting downvoted because of it.

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I think that option is selected by not returning the card. :apple:


...or they could have an option for "I do not support this campus" and then allow the person to respond with why.

Constructive criticism, what a concept!
 
There should be an option where the person can check off they are NOT in support of the campus.....

Oh wait, I forgot, Apple doesnt believe in choice. lol

You were expecting an "I hate Apple" checkbox? Sorry you are so disappointed.
Maybe you can let them know you hate them in another way? Send in some email rants or something like that? Good Luck with your hating. Have a nice day.
 
If some local residents have sincere objections to the proposed Apple Campus, they will no doubt have ample opportunity to make their views known at the various public hearings that will be held during the planning process. Apple certainly isn't under obligation to enable them. Its response card contains a comment area where respondents can voice their concerns.

I wonder how you would feel if some other company (say Walmart) were planning to open a new store near you and you were concerned with the congestion it would bring? If Walmart were to send a brochure like this and had only "check here only if you support" options in a response card, I wonder what kind of criticism you would levy against them?
 
In the mailing, Apple touts how the project will enhance the neighborhood around the campus, from both functional and aesthetic perspectives. .... snip

Apple does note that the campus will not be open to the public, although many of its planned improvements will impact neighbors.

It'd be a lot nicer if Apple could do something like PepsiCo did with their Sculpture Garden grounds at their headquarters in Westchester County NY. Lawns, walks, sculptures, fountains... it's beautiful and peaceful.

Their grounds are a fantastic place for the public to go for a walk or picnic, and everyone appreciates PepsiCo making it all available.
 
You were expecting an "I hate Apple" checkbox? Sorry you are so disappointed.
Maybe you can let them know you hate them in another way? Send in some email rants or something like that? Good Luck with your hating. Have a nice day.

It's not about hating... like one previous poster said, it's about providing a means of constructive criticism. And Apple could use this to their advantage.

For example, if many residents mentioned they did not support the campus because of concerns with congestion, Apple would know they need to respond by clearly explaining any research they did with municipal officials on traffic studies. This would give Apple an opportunity to say "We hear your concerns. We've thought about them. And here's what we plan on doing". This is just good corporate citizenship.

Stop hating on anyone that would want to offer criticism to Apple.
 
It'd be a lot nicer if Apple could do something like PepsiCo did with their Sculpture Garden grounds at their headquarters in Westchester County NY. Lawns, walks, sculptures, fountains... it's beautiful and peaceful.

Their grounds are a fantastic place for the public to go for a walk or picnic, and everyone appreciates PepsiCo making it all available.

And peek in the windows to see the newer "new" iPad being work on. :D

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If they offer you a corner office in the new building you know you are in trouble.
 
It's funny that there are people against something that will beautify the area, boost property values and bring a lot of good paying jobs.
 
You seek out feedback and criticism at the design stage. The new campus isn't at the design stage, it's at the approval stage, where Apple is looking for a "yes, proceed". They're savvy enough to know that they may get a "proceed after making these changes" answer, but the goal is a straight approval.

So, this document is Apple going directly to the citizens of Cupertino, "this is why this is a plus for you", and hoping to build a list of "these people living in Cupertino (you know, the people who can vote you in or out of office) want it built." It's an info dump and building the list. The comments/questions will be reviewed for "is there a concern we can show why it's already addressed" and favorable quotes to pass on to the Cupertino City Council, but if the team isn't utterly incompetent, they already know every negative comment that will be included. And they've got no interest in providing the city council with a list of those opposed to the project.

Of course - it's just so obviously propagandistic. Its as though their PR folks came out of 1960's Russia.
 
If you saw the video of Steve Jobs presenting this to city council, you'll note that this building isn't bringing in 13,000 NEW employees, but rather consolidating them from various office buildings throughout town. Also, many employees don't drive to work, but rather shuttles that Apple runs all over town, or sometimes bicycles.

If Cupertino isn't up for this project, then I'm sure many surrounding communities would foam at the mouth for the opportunity of being the new hometown of Apple. I just love how people want great things in their town, but object to anything that wants to happen because it COULD cause traffic...especially when this likely won't change traffic much at all.
 
I wouldn't expect to be able to walk into random office buildings. I think the problem here is that Apple is advertising this as a gift to the community, while in actuality it's a private business campus.

It IS a gift to the community. A beautiful office complex with tons of well-paid and happy employees locally buying food and shopping. Taxes pouring into the city. Blighted ugly lots being replaced by pollution-reducing greenery. What more can the locals want? Something stupid like free wifi?

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It's not about hating... like one previous poster said, it's about providing a means of constructive criticism. And Apple could use this to their advantage.

For example, if many residents mentioned they did not support the campus because of concerns with congestion, Apple would know they need to respond by clearly explaining any research they did with municipal officials on traffic studies. This would give Apple an opportunity to say "We hear your concerns. We've thought about them. And here's what we plan on doing". This is just good corporate citizenship.

Stop hating on anyone that would want to offer criticism to Apple.

Yeah, listening to a bunch of armchair "experts" and morons would do wonders for their failing company. Right?
 
It's not about hating... like one previous poster said, it's about providing a means of constructive criticism. And Apple could use this to their advantage.

For example, if many residents mentioned they did not support the campus because of concerns with congestion, Apple would know they need to respond by clearly explaining any research they did with municipal officials on traffic studies. This would give Apple an opportunity to say "We hear your concerns. We've thought about them. And here's what we plan on doing". This is just good corporate citizenship.

Stop hating on anyone that would want to offer criticism to Apple.

So maybe Apple should just pack up and move to Mountain View and watch as their beloved Cupertino dries up into a ghost town. Apple is the reason anyone has ever even heard of Cupertino. I can't imagine any town that would want to lose 13,000+ jobs in one fail swoop.
 
I thought the main issue was that there is a public street that runs through the middle of the property that will now be closed to the public?

I can see how residents would be unhappy with that.

Obviously a property owner has the right to build what they want, as long as they comply with local laws, but it's a bit obnoxious to claim some development is a boon to the community when nothing it does serves the local public. "Hey guys, look at this beautiful thing we are gifting to your neighborhood! But you're not allowed near, don't be ungracious..."
 
There's has to be a button to eject this thing off to outer space if humanity gets sick of apple.
 
So maybe Apple should just pack up and move to Mountain View and watch as their beloved Cupertino dries up into a ghost town. Apple is the reason anyone has ever even heard of Cupertino. I can't imagine any town that would want to lose 13,000+ jobs in one fail swoop.

No... I didn't say Apple should pack up and move. I was criticizing Apple's response card for excluding any "I'm not in support of this campus because of x" option. There's a proper way of soliciting feedback, and Apple could use the criticism to their advantage, if done properly.

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Yeah, listening to a bunch of armchair "experts" and morons would do wonders for their failing company. Right?

So you're belittling the residents of Cupertino, many who probably work at Apple? Being concerned about the congestion that a company's facilities would bring to a neighborhood hardly makes someone a moron. And even if he/she were a moron, the fact that Apple knows people are concerned about it lets Apple address the feedback directly.

I'd bet a shiny new iPad that your stance would be much different if Walmart sent out a similar brochure with the same exact response card.
 
That kind of thing is a personal preference. It will attract some, dissuade others. I dislike the commute involved in going to a city centre, and like greenery on a lunchtime break. Nice looking building, you'd never get that in a city centre where you have to build up rather than out because of land cost.

Commuting to a city center can be a pain; I feel ya. But if Apple were to locate in a city center, many of its employees would choose to live within a walkable or bike-able distance. In the end, they'd have basically no commute, and Apple's campus would prevent a lot more CO2 emissions. Planting 2,000 trees is fine and dandy -- but it's 'green' only in the most superficial sense.


Apple's plans do call for solid transit connectivity. I'm all for urban development, but as long as the plans connect the building to the larger community at large, I'm fine with it. If they wanted to build an suburban or exurban office park which demanded a car to reach, I'd completely agree with you. But if you look at the plans, they are actually calling for a bus station on site, which presumably will be served with shuttles to Caltran and provide connections to the regional bus system.

There's nothing inherently wrong with a suburban design. Much of the suburban development in this country is auto-centric to the exclusion of everything else and just piss poor planning and design, but that's not what you're seeing here. If you live in a nearby urban center with good connectivity, you'll have no problem reaching the Apple campus on transit. And that's what counts.

Well at least they're linking up to transit.

Apple has always been a secretive company, and a suburban campus does offer a sort of buffer zone to keep the prying eyes of competition away. I get that. But Apple has such a large stockpile of cash that they could have done something truly extraordinary and ground-breaking with their new campus. Instead we get... the spaceship...


The cost of acquiring the necessary real-estate in an urban center and transforming it into an acceptable workspace for a company like Apple would be astronomical.

The best talent will go where they're paid the best and have the opportunity to work on things that interest them. I don't think a company as big as Apple needs to appeal to the urban hipster crowd in order to attract a top-flight workforce.

The cost would be astronomical, but like I said above -- Apple had cash available to do something truly extraordinary. They didn't.

Apple can attract the best talent now because Apple is at the top of the tech world. People want to work for Apple. But every company ebbs and flows, and when Apple is on the other side of the cycle, I wouldn't be surprised if Apple's suburban campus dissuades top talent from signing on.

You're kidding, right? Aside from the masochists who flock to New York ******, why would "talent" prefer to squeeze into a raucous soul-killing concrete jungle (where the land isn't available) over a visually-pleasing setting buffered by stuff that's actually alive?

What you see as a 'racous soul-killing concrete jungle' just so happens to be where generation y increasingly wants to live. Instead of a concrete jungle, they see an aggregation of culture, entertainment, and nightlife where fellow highly educated, open minded people live. And they want to live there too. Read 'Rise of the Creative Class' by Richard Florida if you're interested in learning more.

Downvote me to oblivion, people. But I speak the truth.
 
Kill "Campus 2" before the ground is broken

The earlier plans were for having no solar (in spite of the fact that nearby Google and Microsoft offices have major solar installations), and a fossil-fueled power plant on site.

I've looked a few of the documents, but haven't found a description of the change from "fossil fuel" to "100% renewable" energy.

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Beautify? I guess if you think artsy architectural renderings are beautiful.

...and you have to believe that "beautify" means "blocking major neighborhood streets".

The spaceship campus is simply a mistake in any dimension that you examine.
 
I don't get what all the fuss is about. It's not like they're tearing down some cultural landmark to make way for a strip club and a liquor store. They're taking an already used 'concrete' lot and putting in their own building. Besides, in that area of Cupertino, there's nothing but business parks and suburbs.

Not to mention that in the process they're shelling out millions to some lucky construction company to build the thing, and putting in place a bunch of well paid Apple employee's who will no doubt be shopping/eating in the area. All in all it seems like a win.
 
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