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If folks wear masks, keep up social distancing, keep up testing, and we do quarantining and contact tracing of sick people, we can do way better. Take a look at Europe. They’re doing the right things, it’s not magic.

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Australia had a shaky start but then the federal government and the states got together to act in concert. They had their first COVID-19 fatality in a MONTH today, bringing their *total* to 103. The US is heading for 150,000 deaths with no end in sight.
 
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The virus didn’t magically disappear from Europe. They reopen more, it will spread again...this time likely with a far lower death rate.
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Then we should quarantine for the flu too. It’s serious and kills tens of thousands every year, with a vaccine.
You and your flu numbers are now in complete denial mode. You had many chances and suggestions to have a look and re-think of your claims about Covid since february. Keep going this way and you won't be credible even while stating that water is wet.

I hope for you that your employer will never have the opportunity to see how you deal with situations like this one
 
but its all about money/the economy first, and peoples lives are coming second in my opinion.

I honestly hate when people throw sentences like these.
Regardless of how much you hate it, we always try to balance when money is valued more than lives. 40,000 (US) lives are lost each year in car accidents; are you willing to lower the speed to 5mph nationwide? No. Why? Because it would destroy the economy. 500,000 people lose their life due to the seasonal flu. Are you willing to go on global lockdown every year? No. Why? Because it would destroy the economy. And so on and on for thousands of other things that kill hundreds of thousands a year. This is not to say that Covid is "just a flu" (it isn't), but to say that we ALWAYS, every single day, try to evaluate the economic damage (which means lives) to immediate loss of life. We do the same even at a personal level.
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Australia had a shaky start but then the federal government and the states got together to act in concert. They had their first COVID-19 fatality in a MONTH today, bringing their *total* to 103. The US is heading for 150,000 deaths with no end in sight.

Comparing the US to Australia is a bit... misleading.
 
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Where on earth did you get that idea? Do you respect murderers making the decision to kill someone? Why would you automatically respect some one for making a dreadful decision That negatively affects others?
Again, calm down. We make decisions like this all the time, lol.

We aren’t talking about murder here. We did the same thing with the flu for decades, never quarantined, and tens of thousands continue to die. We fly planes, get in cars and go out for fun. People die. Everything in life is cost benefit.

Hide in your house forever if you want, but it should be your personal choice to accept normal risks of life...covid19 being one of them. I’m not an anti-vaxer or something because I support opening the economy.

But relax a little and quit comparing going out with precautions to murderers.
 
I’m not surprised, I live in Houston and the people that live here are not listening at all to CDC recommendations, social distancing is not being practiced, and so many are throwing fits over wearing a mask.
 
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You and your flu numbers are now in complete denial mode. You had many chances and suggestions to have a look and re-think of your claims about Covid since february. Keep going this way and you won't be credible even while stating that water is wet.

I hope for you that your employer will never have the opportunity to see how you deal with situations like this one
Why? We should quarantine for flu if our goal is to save lives. The flu is also a very serious Virus that kills tens of thousands of people.

We just deal with the flu and we will deal with this. Permanent quarantine saves lives for many things, but it’s not practical.

Disagree all you want.
 
Well at least in Shanghai they're doing great, with long lines at the Apple Stores! Oh wait...

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People who don't get, by now, that this plandemic is totally harmless cannot be helped - sorry not sorry

NO ONE DIED. OK?? The numbers from the USA are completely useless - it's OFFICIAL policy to classify anybody who is suspected of covid as covid death, which means that doctors, if they want to, can classify every single american death as covid death.

Because guess what death happens to very old people who are very sick with muliple illnesses and covid symptoms are so vague it couuld be anything.

These are facts and everyone knows it by now. Even the CDC now admits the CFR is 0.26 %. For comparison the death rate of the flu _vaccine_ - not the flu, just the vaccine - is 0.5%. Twice as high. The CFR will eventially be revised to even less until it ends up at the flu levels.

What does it mean - it means we don't know why the hell they've shut down the world for this, but most definitely not because of a virus. Media brainwashing and programming keeps going full steam any scientific evidence to the contrary, and governments sign $1Bn contracts and immediately the "cases spike"

Oh you don't believe in so called conspiracy theories - well its no longer a theory, it's a conspiracy. Bona fide.

Don't believe me, do a reverse check jsut now - take any 3 digit number, follow it by "new cases" and see what you get in Google - any number works, e.g. type 577 new cases, you get a ton of news articles on 577 new cases - almost like magic. This is called a conspiracy - without the theory

I was walking through Vienna, Austria today, it's back to normal, people here aren't so stupid as to lock themselves down forever, walking through the city, I found the Apple Store as the sole nazi state covid emergency shop in the entire town!

It was comical!

Serious looking security guys, RULES (2m distance - no science supports this by the way, it's freely made up), and the only shop in town where people still have to wear masks. Right next to the Apple Store, there's outside restaurants packed with people, and the usual crowd running around the old town, all shops open, no masks anywyere. Except at Apple. Not a good look and testament to the full retart mode California has entered. I used to live there, so sorry for it now...
 
Pretty much everywhere will see increased cases compared to the days when everyone was huddling in their homes. History may show that closing businesses only prolonged the inevitable
That is entirely the point. To give the best chance of not overwhelming health care services and give them the best chance of helping those who are sick. So if that's the history lesson, its a good one. I'm in Australia and watching the US response right now is watching a train wreck in real time.
 
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Yeah, because I’m saying not to panic, take precautions and not to shut down again, I’m an imbecile. It’s a respiratory virus that doesn’t kill young or healthy people. The human race will deal. This isn’t the only threat to our health, get over it.

Virus is real, bro. But shutting down and creating tons of other problems doesn’t help either. We will manage it like we manage other viruses and ways people die.

Cigarettes, sugar, far, and a sedentary lifestyle cause far more damage than this virus, but you can’t see the impact as quickly so no one thinks those are nearly as dangerous. But they are far worse. Just because this is a new virus, doesn’t mean we all need to freak out forever. The death rate is artificially high and its proven already there are more at risk groups and those people make up the majority of the deaths.

If you are a healthy person, YOU WILL BE FINE. Wear a mask and go on with your life.
 
If they are doing this based on what the media reports, they are merely costing themselves income.. Most of the media with rare exceptions is ginning this up. As they test more, they get more results, most people are asymptomatic, and hospitalizations and ventilations and fatalities are way way down.. States with the least barriers are doing far better than states that went overboard on the lockdowns, Course hardly anyone is counting the other human costs created by this..

As someone else noted, some how the bar got moved, it changed from flatten the curve to stop it at all costs, which of course is ridiculous.. The more we get out, the more people may become infected, and since 99% or so recover or have no symptoms, they become immune..

Getting COVID-19 doesn't ensure immunity however.
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I honestly hate when people throw sentences like these.
Regardless of how much you hate it, we always try to balance when money is valued more than lives. 40,000 (US) lives are lost each year in car accidents; are you willing to lower the speed to 5mph nationwide? No. Why? Because it would destroy the economy. 500,000 people lose their life due to the seasonal flu. Are you willing to go on global lockdown every year? No. Why? Because it would destroy the economy. And so on and on for thousands of other things that kill hundreds of thousands a year. This is not to say that Covid is "just a flu" (it isn't), but to say that we ALWAYS, every single day, try to evaluate the economic damage (which means lives) to immediate loss of life. We do the same even at a personal level.
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Comparing the US to Australia is a bit... misleading.

Hmm I think that we live in two different Americas...
 
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I’m not surprised, I live in Houston and the people that live here are not listening at all to CDC recommendations, social distancing is not being practiced, and so many are throwing fits over wearing a mask.

Thank goodness I live in Utah... last time I was in Texas I couldn't find sushi 😕
 
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First - we can top this in Minneapolis where we invented the new age riot and dodge bullets every night. On Apple, I am bothered that they are not offering better support for hardware issues when their stores are closed. They should be able to figure that out.
 
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