Um yeah, market value for anything is based on perceived value. Basic economics.
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Um yeah, market value for anything is based on perceived value. Basic economics.
Time for a reality check???? and to prove your worthiness to all mighty Steve you need to do some serious upgrading...
I'm sure we're all going to NewEgg to put together our Macs then.
The vernacular is usually called the Apple Tax. That's another can of worms. Though I don't feel the need to call out "in before" this trainwreck starts.
A lot of them aren't actually, if you ask for without the monitor it'll usually be separate.
It really depends where you live, computers of similar spec in NZ can rack near identical prices.
I'm not surprised given your location. I've heard some horror stories and jealousy from my friends in Europe as well.
Of course, just like any stats, it depends who you ask. Local news site NBR just released these stats for its website visitors:
is this a joke??? and what time frame was this snapshot taken considering win 7 has only been officially out for barely a month and intel osx has been out for over 4 years. lol.
Maybe I'm not following you, but the "Apple tax" seems completely irrelevant to a the re-sale value amongst third parties. Apple has already collected their "tax". Once the transaction is between third parties, Apple obviously has no interest in the transaction and cannot collect their "tax".
(I think "tax" needs to be in quotes because I think you really mean profit. Tax implies taking something through governmental force without earning it. As long as people voluntary conduct transactions with Apple, they have earned it as profit, not a tax. Calling Apple's profits a "tax" has always seemed odd and an indication of jealously of profits to me. But I suppose we are just into semantics now.)
It's 'profit' to Apple (the people selling the product) and an extra 'tax' or 'fee' for those buying it.
Apple tax is just a term, not a literal tax. Similar to the Sony tax. It just means that Apple charges more for for equal product. For example I wanted to see how much a laptop of similar specs of a macbook would cost, so I went to dell.com and customized one of their laptop picking more or less the same specs as the macbook. The Dell was something like $300+ cheaper, so the term Apple tax refers to that price difference for similar specs, not an actual tax. Then if I wanted to add let say extra ram, I'm not sure if it was 2gb or 1gb, but for the Dell it would have cost me $50, but for the macbook $100. That $50 is what people would call the Apple tax.
I understand the fee or profit language. Fees and profits are earned and paid for voluntary in a free market. A tax is not, and therefore is an inappropriate term for it. All semantics, but something that bugs me nonetheless.
I understand the slang use of the word tax in this situation. I could even see its applicability if the products in question were indeed "equal", and Apple was just milking more. The products are not equal. The features of one are perceived to be more valuable, and therefore voluntarily paid for at the higher price without coercion or trickery. If there were coercion or trickery involved, then fine, call it a tax.
The people who don't see any value in what Apple offers for that extra money will consider it a tax as all you're doing is paying more for the same thing. There is a small minority who think there is extra value, and this is slowly growing, but the vast vast majority of people find no extra value.
A small minority think there is extra value, or a small minority thinks the extra value is worth the extra asking price? Big difference.
Tax implies coercion without added value. The lack of coercion and presence of a vast market willing to voluntarily pay the extra asking price is all the evidence needed to refute this as a tax.
A small minority thinks there is extra value, and are willing to pay the higher price. The rest don't see any extra value, and aren't willing to pay the higher price, so the higher price is a 'tax' or 'fee' to gain an Apple logo on your computer, nothing more, nothing less.
You're assuming that the consumer is informed. Apple usually just means iPod/iPhone to most people.
Your statement was so blatantly wrong and so obvious to rebut, that 999 out of a 1000 monkeys would use the same words.
Your dichotomy ignores a third group that exists: those who believe there is a higher value, but not commensurate with the higher asking price. You can not state as fact that your second group is the majority.
What defines value?
I believe that my Honda motorcycle provides all the same value to me as a much more expensive Harley, but I am not so naive as to proclaim that the people who buy Harley's are paying a tax for that Harley logo. I understand that they value something different than I do. Different values do not imply a lack of value.
Which is part of why I value my Honda. I guess I could pretend to be dumbfounded that people still pay more for Harley's despite that negative and the higher price tag, call them zealots, and say they are paying a Harley "tax". But I can't do that, because I have an understanding that other people have different opinions than I do and value different things.
Which is part of why I value my Honda. I guess I could pretend to be dumbfounded that people still pay more for Harley's despite that negative and the higher price tag, call them zealots, and say they are paying a Harley "tax". But I can't do that, because I have an understanding that other people have different opinions than I do and value different things.
I've got a Yamaha Scorpio here. I got it for $2k second hand and all it needed was a brake replacing and Fluid servicing.
the discussion above goes nowhere.. you go in circles... it's all about "preferences"...
both parties argue with experience and/or prefererences, rather than with facts (which is totally OK as long as you grant the same rights to the opposition)... millions of users will tell you they are completely satisfied the way Windows(XP,VIsta,7) (and the hardware) works for them... There are also 'millions' of users who will tell you the same about OSX (and the hardware)... both don't care for what the other has to say.. why should they care unless they are 'interested" in hardware, software in general or software development... they live in perfect harmony
and then there is a third group of people, bashing each other because they don't want to understand the "preferences" (often called reasons.. if someone actually doesn't know OSX or linux exists, guess what... he doesn't even need to know!) which determine which OS you use - why person X prefers OS X over OS Windows and vice versa...
Do "PCs" have defects? Sure. Do "MACs" have defects. Of course. If you're are not satistied with the product you have, go ahead and let it be repaired. Sell it. HATE THE MANUFACTURER if that helps you. But please, please don't assume that everyone shares you're opinion, EVEN if you can proof that you had such problems. And you know why? They didn't experienced them or they don't care.. everyone lives in his own world, a perfect example
WHY someone buys a product over another is just 50% (if not less) based on rational thoughts.. apple does brilliant marketing and corporate identity design...(hint)
stop the ongoing discussion of mac vs. rest-of-the-pc-world (i know you won't) and enjoy what you got..
... go on ...
ok, this was a round-house-kick-in-the-daily-macrumors-discussions-face
both parties argue with experience and/or prefererences, rather than with facts (which is totally OK as long as you grant the same rights to the opposition)... millions of users will tell you they are completely satisfied the way Windows(XP,VIsta,7) (and the hardware) works for them... There are also 'millions' of users who will tell you the same about OSX (and the hardware)... both don't care for what the other has to say.. why should they care unless they are 'interested" in hardware, software in general or software development... they live in perfect harmony
and then there is a third group of people, bashing each other because they don't want to understand the "preferences" (often called reasons.. if someone actually doesn't know OSX or linux exists, guess what... he doesn't even need to know!) which determine which OS you use - why person X prefers OS X over OS Windows and vice versa...
Do "PCs" have defects? Sure. Do "MACs" have defects. Of course. If you're are not satistied with the product you have, go ahead and let it be repaired. Sell it. HATE THE MANUFACTURER if that helps you. But please, please don't assume that everyone shares you're opinion, EVEN if you can proof that you had such problems. And you know why? They didn't experienced them or they don't care.. everyone lives in his own world, a perfect example
WHY someone buys a product over another is just 50% (if not less) based on rational thoughts.. apple does brilliant marketing and corporate identity design...(hint)
stop the ongoing discussion of mac vs. rest-of-the-pc-world (i know you won't) and enjoy what you got..
... go on ...
ok, this was a round-house-kick-in-the-daily-macrumors-discussions-face
the discussion above goes nowhere.. you go in circles... it's all about "preferences"...
both parties argue with experience and/or prefererences, rather than with facts (which is totally OK as long as you grant the same rights to the opposition)... millions of users will tell you they are completely satisfied the way Windows(XP,VIsta,7) (and the hardware) works for them... There are also 'millions' of users who will tell you the same about OSX (and the hardware)... both don't care for what the other has to say.. why should they care unless they are 'interested" in hardware, software in general or software development... they live in perfect harmony
and then there is a third group of people, bashing each other because they don't want to understand the "preferences" (often called reasons.. if someone actually doesn't know OSX or linux exists, guess what... he doesn't even need to know!) which determine which OS you use - why person X prefers OS X over OS Windows and vice versa...
Do "PCs" have defects? Sure. Do "MACs" have defects. Of course. If you're are not satistied with the product you have, go ahead and let it be repaired. Sell it. HATE THE MANUFACTURER if that helps you. But please, please don't assume that everyone shares you're opinion, EVEN you you can proof that you had such problems. And you know why? They didn't experienced them or they don't care..
WHY someone's buys a product over another is just 50% (if not less) based on rational thoughts.. apple does brilliant marketing and corporate identity design...(hint)
stop the ongoing discussion of mac vs. rest-of-the-pc-world (i know you won't) and enjoy what you got..
... go on ...
ok, this was round-house-kick in the daily-macrumors-discussions-face
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