Nice. Mine is a Honda Valkyrie.
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Protip : Harleys have chromed metal parts for every accent on the bike, not chrome-painted plastic.
There's your higher value (not to mention resale value is higher on the harley, so in the end, you don't lose any money when you resell the bike after a few years).
Right. A very good point. I understand that those things add value to Harley's and some people are willing to pay for them. I don't value those things as much, and I am not willing to pay for them. I acknowledge that the value of the Harley may be higher, but I don't value it as much as the price tag. It's an exact analogy as the Macs.
There is also a reason that Harley's are less valuable for me. My preference is for bikes that are not as loud and more smooth. A noisy v-twin has never appealed to me, and in fact, detracts from the value of the bike for me. Much like how OS X will detract from the value of a Mac for those who don't like OS X. Another exact analogy.
But you will never see me get on a high-horse and start calling Harley owners religious zealots who pay the Harley tax for the right of their logo on their bike. I understand that there are all these other people out there besides me that like different things than I do. I very much agree with the poster on the previous page of this thread to stated that it is all about perceptions and preferences. Value is subjective, and proclaiming that there is an absolute value to things based on your own subjective opinion is laughable.
Noisy ? Stock Harleys hardly make a peep. The thing is no one keeps the stock pipes on there long enough for anyone else to notice this (we have 2 stock Harleys in our riding group, can hardly hear if the things are started with no other bikes running around them). And Softails have the 96B motor which is balanced and has absolutely no vibration even though it's solid mounted to the frame.
You need to learn a thing or two about Harleys, just like people need to learn a thing or two about Macs before calling them overpriced or even expensive.
There is no tax. Harley gives you value for your dollar (high quality paint, metal parts all around) and Apple gives you value for your dollar (every machine has bluetooth, 802.11n, Gigabit Ethernet). The thing is, Harley doesn't sell you something like the Rebel 250, made out of plastic at the low-end for barely 5K$ new, same as Apple doesn't sell you a 400$ desktop tower computer. In fact, Harley and Apple are pretty similar in the kind of market they target and both are wildly successful (Harley's market share is going up year after year).
I'll put my stock Honda next to a stock Harley any day to see which is quieter and smoother.
PS - you are making my same point exactly.
I wonder if my Uncle's repair shop is full of harleys because they break a lot or is it just a lot of people have harleys.
BTW, Honda, Yamaha etc make expensive all metal bikes too. They just cater a lot to the 250-600cc commuter market.
Lets look at that statement for a second. Apple has less than 10% of the market share, yet almost 50% of the total market revenue. If every extra dollar you spend on a mac instead of a pc actually went into adding extra features and parts wouldnt apple have closer to 10% of the revenue to match the market share? The extra money you spend on a mac doesnt go to the parts and feature set, it goes into apple's heaping piles of cash. A mac can easily sell for much less and apple would still be making a higher % of the revenue than their market share would imply. I fell like i worded that oddly.
No. If they took 100% of their profit margin and put it into the machines as extra features, they would have an even higher percent of the revenue market than 50%, as more people would see their machines as providing value than before, and more would likely buy. Your statement was so obviously flawed that I can't help but wonder if I am not seeing Poe's law at work.
Strange how since they are "so much" people are still buying them he he...
Just PROVES that people have realized you get what you pay for in this world... well, 48% of them anyway.
Just PROVES that people have realized you get what you pay for in this world... well, 48% of them anyway.
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do not even know what OS x is.
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Can you please explain in detail the problems you are having with a true drag and drop environment like OS X please? Then I will list the problems with using windows compared to OS X's way of dealing with that same problem. Please explain for us.
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if u read the article it said not likely to continue apple took advantage of the slow sales of pc,s due to the launch of windows 7 now that windows 7 has launched what npd failed to tell u is that pc sales are through the roof especially netbooks widows 7 has outdone itself in a less time period than what vista did in a year but since alot of u only get ur news from this site u dont know any better read around people some of u arent even mac fans just wanna bees most of u dont even know when the first mac came out or have ever seen bill gates and steve jobs havin lunch or collaberatin together.
if u read the article it said not likely to continue apple took advantage of the slow sales of pc,s due to the launch of windows 7 now that windows 7 has launched what npd failed to tell u is that pc sales are through the roof especially netbooks widows 7 has outdone itself in a less time period than what vista did in a year but since alot of u only get ur news from this site u dont know any better read around people some of u arent even mac fans just wanna bees most of u dont even know when the first mac came out or have ever seen bill gates and steve jobs havin lunch or collaberatin together.
The extremes of the postings here are quite amusing. On the one hand you have the folks who decry Apple's computers as mediocre and overpriced and the only reason they are flying off the shelves is that the computer buying public is too ignorant to know better. Implicit is the suggestion that the poster is way smarter than the typical consumer and much smarter than all of the Apple fanboys.
The other extreme are those that are convinced that Dell and Microsoft are going out of business in 3 years. For them the reality distortion field has become the status quo. Implicit in these posts is the sense of religious righteousness and the certainty of a rigidly held dogma that tolerates no dissenting viewpoint.
And then there are the rest of us, I guess, who use a PC at work and a Mac at home and are reasonably satisfied with both.
The other extreme are those that are convinced that Dell and Microsoft are going out of business in 3 years. For them the reality distortion field has become the status quo. Implicit in these posts is the sense of religious righteousness and the certainty of a rigidly held dogma that tolerates no dissenting viewpoint.
And then there are the rest of us, I guess, who use a PC at work and a Mac at home and are reasonably satisfied with both.
I don't believe that.
Apple's value added comes with the pre-loaded software. iLife and the fact that you don't need to purchase anti-Virus software (I know you can download free anti-viruses like Avira but the average consumer is conned into buying a 3 year Norton subscription) more than pays for the so-called "Apple Tax."
Take this from a recent PC to Mac convert. I love this machine so far.
If you read the article, you would see that the year ago value was 33%, that it was 44% in April 09, and that the post Windows 7 launch values are likely to stabilize in the 40% range. All amazing revenue-share performance numbers for a company with such a small unit-market share.
wow. now those numbers are very impressive. way to go apple! now put in an i9 processor in the next mac pro in January 2010 and we'll be good
They have nearly half the industry sales due to not having to compete directly with anyone for hardware sales (since if you want OSX, you cannot put it on anyone's hardware but Apple's), but they are not a "major" player so there is not anti-trust violation according to the Apple supporters on this issue.... What a crock of bologna!
If Dell could pre-install OSX on any of its computers to sell, do you seriously think for even one second that Apple would be getting nearly half of ALL PC revenue??? There is no freaking way on Earth. PERIOD. They get away with this because they leverage their operating system against the hardware sales instead of against Windows sales (i.e. leveraging one market to force sales in another market, namely software to leverage hardware sales). This leaves Dell, HP, Lenovo, etc. out in the cold for hardware competition because they cannot compete with what they are not allowed to sell (i.e. if you cannot install OSX on their hardware, you cannot consider their hardware to buy if you want OSX) due to tying license agreements Apple has in their OSX license. This "tying" of two different markets to shore up sales in one by leveraging the other is clearly illegal under the Clayton Anti-Trust Act for any market of any financial significance, but apparently certain people think 50% of ALL PC revenue isn't "significant" enough. Having $24+ BILLION in petty cash isn't significant either. That's why they're not guilty of anti-trust violations. They aren't "significant". I wish my income wasn't "significant" in the ways theirs isn't!
If Dell could pre-install OSX on any of its computers to sell, do you seriously think for even one second that Apple would be getting nearly half of ALL PC revenue??? There is no freaking way on Earth. PERIOD. They get away with this because they leverage their operating system against the hardware sales instead of against Windows sales (i.e. leveraging one market to force sales in another market, namely software to leverage hardware sales). This leaves Dell, HP, Lenovo, etc. out in the cold for hardware competition because they cannot compete with what they are not allowed to sell (i.e. if you cannot install OSX on their hardware, you cannot consider their hardware to buy if you want OSX) due to tying license agreements Apple has in their OSX license. This "tying" of two different markets to shore up sales in one by leveraging the other is clearly illegal under the Clayton Anti-Trust Act for any market of any financial significance, but apparently certain people think 50% of ALL PC revenue isn't "significant" enough. Having $24+ BILLION in petty cash isn't significant either. That's why they're not guilty of anti-trust violations. They aren't "significant". I wish my income wasn't "significant" in the ways theirs isn't!
Revenue != profits.
Selling 4 500$ PCs gives you 2000$ revenue, no matter how much they cost you to make. Selling 1 2000$ Mac gives you 2000$ revenue, no matter how much they cost you to make, but you now have 50% revenue share, and 20% market share.
Get it now ? Apple sells higher-end system. They make a lot of revenue off little sales, hence the revenue share vs market share.
It has nothing to do with value or perceived value. However, Apple does give you that value. If you don't want all the extra bells and whistle, Apple doesn't catter to you though, so you think it's overpriced. A Dell configured to be just like an Apple computer is sometimes cheaper, sometimes more expensive, but it's most always comparable.
They have nearly half the industry sales due to not having to compete directly with anyone for hardware sales (since if you want OSX, you cannot put it on anyone's hardware but Apple's), but they are not a "major" player so there is not anti-trust violation according to the Apple supporters on this issue.... What a crock of bologna!
If Dell could pre-install OSX on any of its computers to sell, do you seriously think for even one second that Apple would be getting nearly half of ALL PC revenue??? There is no freaking way on Earth. PERIOD. They get away with this because they leverage their operating system against the hardware sales instead of against Windows sales (i.e. leveraging one market to force sales in another market, namely software to leverage hardware sales). This leaves Dell, HP, Lenovo, etc. out in the cold for hardware competition because they cannot compete with what they are not allowed to sell (i.e. if you cannot install OSX on their hardware, you cannot consider their hardware to buy if you want OSX) due to tying license agreements Apple has in their OSX license. This "tying" of two different markets to shore up sales in one by leveraging the other is clearly illegal under the Clayton Anti-Trust Act for any market of any financial significance, but apparently certain people think 50% of ALL PC revenue isn't "significant" enough. Having $24+ BILLION in petty cash isn't significant either. That's why they're not guilty of anti-trust violations. They aren't "significant". I wish my income wasn't "significant" in the ways theirs isn't!
Theres a flaw in your argument. I'm sure Microsoft would "enforce" the OEM license and stop those computers from seeing the light of day.
They have nearly half the industry sales due to not having to compete directly with anyone for hardware sales (since if you want OSX, you cannot put it on anyone's hardware but Apple's), but they are not a "major" player so there is not anti-trust violation according to the Apple supporters on this issue.... What a crock of bologna!
You're wrong of course. Apple very much competes against Dell, HP, Toshiba, Sony in the computer hardware market. Who they don't compete against is Microsoft.
People who buy a computer don't buy "OS X". They buy a computer to run software. Apple is actually at a disadvantage here because Mac software is not as ubiquitous and prevalent as Windows software and sometimes, it means that there's a transition period for the buyers that are not all too computer savvy.