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What do you mean CPU sales? Apple doesn't sell CPUs to their customers, they put the CPUs in their computers and devices. Apparently someone doesn't understand what a CPU means. :confused:
 
If we overlook graph trading and "support levels".

At 420dollars Apple have a P/E at 15 with 75 billion in cash.

Silly low P/E. The fundamentals for AAPL is much better then 420 dollars.


Wall Street has never gotten Apple and they probably never will.


What hasn't really been mentioned is the record revenue (yearly) or that Apple did much better than even their own guidance.

Time for a bit of "Apple is Doomed" talk to beat down shares in order to pump the buy-ins.


Stop it. Apple is known for low balling guidance.
 
Had they been included, we'd see different numbers (to put it lightly.) ;)

Yes. Next Q report will real fun.

Apple is releasing Iphone4S in 70 countries during this quarter. Fastest rollout ever. If the supply chain works we will have 30 million + sold iPhones.
 
Then why do we see so many complaints about the small iPhone screen size and people wanting them up to 4.5"? People are settling in large numbers for iOS. No ifs and or buts about it. You have to settle for iOS.
That is just one example of many in terms of hardware people have to settle on for iOS.

People just love to b*tch about everything including me:p. What counts is people are voting with their wallets and buying the 4S. Even if Apple release a larger screen, some will complain that it's not big enough. You just can't sastify everyone and we can't all have what we want.
 
Wall Street has never gotten Apple and they probably never will.





Stop it. Apple is known for low balling guidance.

If Apple share price does not go up during the next 2 years:
Apple will have more cash then what the company is valued.

Wall street at its craziest.

(Apple could buy COUNTRIES with that money. That would be great advertising. The country of Apple?)
 
I shorted at 419.48 looking for 15 - 20 % gain.

Now if you had posted _before_ earnings were released then someone might have believed you.


Then why do we see so many complaints about the small iPhone screen size and people wanting them up to 4.5"?

Because there is an awful lot of Android fans who have to find some fault with the iPhone. If the iPhone 4S had a 4.5" screen we would see them all complaining how awfully large the phone is.
 
Technically, Amazon is NOT selling the Fire since it's not for sale yet. It's on pre-order so items are not SOLD.

Amazon is Wall Streets darling.
P/E 100.
They value Amazon 7 times more then Apple.

They believe that the Fire will hurt/sell like hotcakes (it probably won't). Instead the Fire will hurt Amazon since they are sold at a loss. Good for consumers, bad for investors.

HP showed how you can sell a tablet. Just sell them at 100-200 dollar loss.
 
This is reflected in the increase of sales right ?

No it explains the huge flaw in the signal phone argument the Apple fans like to throw around. If you want Android power phone or Window Phone 7 you have to settle a lot less in terms of hardware. This causes a decrease in any one model of phone as the buys are split up. iOS you have to settle hardware wise more to get it.
This causes an total sells of a single phone model to increase but the amount of settling required hardware wise for iOS is a lot greater.
 
Well if you really think about it every iPhone is an iPod too. It would be sad to see decline in iTunes sales, that's when it's clear that people are not using Apple to buy music, but it was up, like always.
 
Then why do we see so many complaints about the small iPhone screen size and people wanting them up to 4.5"? People are settling in large numbers for iOS. No ifs and or buts about it. You have to settle for iOS.
That is just one example of many in terms of hardware people have to settle on for iOS.

What is your point? Despite "open" software and hardware choice, people complain about Android devices as well. You have to settle for Android, too.
 
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How horrible. These vipers (ie. analysts) are ruining the country and the world, and couldn't give 2 ***** about Apple. They gamble with greed, **** the consequences. There's no reason AAPL should be hit this hard after numbers like these. Record Mac and iPad numbers are nothing to sneeze at. iPhone decline could be expected by any reasonable person. It's a 16 month old phone.
 
No it explains the huge flaw in the signal phone argument the Apple fans like to throw around. If you want Android power phone or Window Phone 7 you have to settle a lot less in terms of hardware. This causes a decrease in any one model of phone as the buys are split up. iOS you have to settle hardware wise more to get it.
This causes an total sells of a single phone model to increase but the amount of settling required hardware wise for iOS is a lot greater.

What's the flaw?
 
Macs are a ~$20 billion market. Stop making them. :rolleyes:

Where do people get this stuff?

They killed the billion dollar corporate market.

The PC market will evolve to ARM within the next 5 years. This is the post PC era. Apple is in a unique situation that they can combine OSX and iOS.

For example Macbook air: remove the intel motherboard/CPU and replace it with a quod core ARM15 2.5ghz. You get a bit less performance, but Apple can shave off 400 dollar in price and maintain its profit.

Its insane to pay 200-1100 dollar for a X86+motherboard when you can get a ARM SoC for 25 dollar. Just a niche market needs the speed of Intel.
 
Apple is doing well.

BUT, no matter how you slice it or dice it, this was a huge miss. Street wanted $7, Apple delivered $4 per share.

Stock is getting crushed in afterhours. Huge downward move tomorrow -- bank on it.

Apple delivered $7, the $4 were the year ago numbers.. Stock always drops in after hours, regardless of actual results announced.

Ok so I was like the 6th person to point this out :)
 
ok, gross profit then. Its the profit before paying tax, it can still be used to lower the product prices FGS.

Gross margin is not gross profit. Gross margin is not "profit before paying tax", it is the difference between revenue and cost of sales. You buy a Mac. Then you take the money that Apple received from the sale (sale price excluding tax), and subtract the cost that Apple had to build that one Mac and put it into your hands. Development cost, advertising, all the cost that Apple had whether you bought the Mac or not, does not count in gross margin.
 
No it explains the huge flaw in the signal phone argument the Apple fans like to throw around. If you want Android power phone or Window Phone 7 you have to settle a lot less in terms of hardware. This causes a decrease in any one model of phone as the buys are split up. iOS you have to settle hardware wise more to get it.
This causes an total sells of a single phone model to increase but the amount of settling required hardware wise for iOS is a lot greater.


Please stop with this nonsense already. Android has any issues and problems. People "settle" for them too.
 
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How horrible. These vipers (ie. analysts) are ruining the country and the world, and couldn't give 2 ***** about Apple. They gamble with greed, **** the consequences. There's no reason AAPL should be hit this hard after numbers like these. Record Mac and iPad numbers are nothing to sneeze at. iPhone decline could be expected by any reasonable person. It's a 16 month old phone.

Classic "talk down/shorting the stock" to make the little man sell their shares.

Then they will up the recommendation on "strong Iphone4S sales".

Then the same cycle starts again.

Apple should use some of its cash and buy the analyst firms and dissolve them to make the world better.
 
What's the flaw?

The it is still not an Apples to Apple comparison.

You have different OS and different hardware.
Really comparing iPhone (iOS) vs Android is a fair comparison as more people are choosing based on the OS over the hardware.

the iPhone being the sole phone to get iOS really throws off the numbers. The fact that many of you completely ingore or do not understand the fact that for the other OS the user group is split up among multiple phones.
That gives the OS an over all slight bump but any one model gets is total share shrunken by additional each phone on the market.


Please stop with this nonsense already. Android has any issues and problems. People "settle" for them too.

Sorry was I talking about the OS? Oh wait I was not I was talking about the hardware side only. But I guess that part goes over your head because it hurts Apple.

for iOS you have to settle a lot more in terms of hardware than you do for Android. OS settling is a different story and I am not getting into that debate here. This is hardware only settling.

For iOS you have to settle more for hardware wise in your wants than you do on Android plan and simple.
 
Then why do we see so many complaints about the small iPhone screen size and people wanting them up to 4.5"? People are settling in large numbers for iOS. No ifs and or buts about it. You have to settle for iOS.
That is just one example of many in terms of hardware people have to settle on for iOS.

What complaints? From whom? The people who just handed Apple 4 million units' worth of iPhone 4S sales in a mere two days? Come the holiday quarter results, you'll wonder whether complaints are even possible.
 
They talk about Apples money. "it does not burn a hole in our pocket".

Apple should invest. They could kill the whole smartphone market by buying ARMh and retract all ARM licenses. (10billion + premium)

Maybe buying AMD (4 billion + premium)

It would take 2-3 years before Intel could have a CPU that draws as little as ARM. (if not 22nm 3gate is a miracle for X86)
 
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