Apple References Unreleased 2020 16-Inch MacBook Pro in Boot Camp Update

StellarVixen said:
One more Intel Mac? Good, which means we will have several more years of support for Intel machines.
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Forbes: New MacBook Pro Leak Reveals Apple’s Powerful Update

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New MacBook Pro Leak Reveals Apple’s Powerful Update

There’s going to be a lot of attention on Apple’s Mac computers over the next few months, but the radical ARM laptops might not be the only new hardware on show.
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“The bigger question is just how much ongoing support Apple will be offering the Intel machines. An Intel-powered MacBook purchased today will need physical support for servicing for a number of years, and that’s relatively easy to offer. Software support is the key.

Apple is moving aggressively towards ARM, with the full product line to be switched over within two years. Given that push towards the new system, will Intel still receive ‘Apple's new toys’ over the next few years? Will apps from key developers continue to be updated with the latest features? Can the ecosystem work with the advantages of ARM and still deliver on Intel?

It’s a question that I hope Apple answers when it launches the ARM-based Macs to the public. I’m sure there will be lots of reassurances about the the compatibility of the new machines, their increased performance, and the modern design. What I want to hear - and what many prospective buyers want to hear - is what’s going to happen in the medium- to long-term with support for the Intel machines.

The 16-inch MacBook Pro is a hefty investment. Knowing how long it will receive the fullest support of Apple is just as important as the specifications.”
 
Dovahkiing said:
LOL

As the owner of an "Early 2013" macbook pro, as opposed to a "Late 2013" macbook pro, I have to disagree with you.
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CWallace said:
Looking at history, CPU changes (as was the case with the 2013 models) appear to drive the Model update.
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Yeah, but the move from early 2013 to late 2013 is rather significant in some ways — it goes from Ivy Bridge to Haswell, which critically adds AES-NI, making FileVault 2 much faster (among other things).

A higher GPU option is nice but doesn't really needle.
 
moonwalk said:
Forbes: New MacBook Pro Leak Reveals Apple’s Powerful Update

www.forbes.com

New MacBook Pro Leak Reveals Apple’s Powerful Update

There’s going to be a lot of attention on Apple’s Mac computers over the next few months, but the radical ARM laptops might not be the only new hardware on show.
www.forbes.com www.forbes.com

“The bigger question is just how much ongoing support Apple will be offering the Intel machines. An Intel-powered MacBook purchased today will need physical support for servicing for a number of years, and that’s relatively easy to offer. Software support is the key.

Apple is moving aggressively towards ARM, with the full product line to be switched over within two years. Given that push towards the new system, will Intel still receive ‘Apple's new toys’ over the next few years? Will apps from key developers continue to be updated with the latest features? Can the ecosystem work with the advantages of ARM and still deliver on Intel?

It’s a question that I hope Apple answers when it launches the ARM-based Macs to the public. I’m sure there will be lots of reassurances about the the compatibility of the new machines, their increased performance, and the modern design. What I want to hear - and what many prospective buyers want to hear - is what’s going to happen in the medium- to long-term with support for the Intel machines.

The 16-inch MacBook Pro is a hefty investment. Knowing how long it will receive the fullest support of Apple is just as important as the specifications.”
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That… article doesn't really correspond with its title.

There is a leak of sorts, but we don't really know anything about it being "powerful".
 
oneMadRssn said:
The 16-inch Macbook Pro was "updated" to be configurable to have Radeon Pro 5600M in June 2020. Maybe Apple considered this a sufficient spec-bump to warrant the year designation? In other words, could that be the "2020" model Apple is referring to?
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Nope, those are still classified as 2019 models. They have a "stock" configuration including that GPU which is model MY222XX/A which is listed as a 2019 one.
 
Honestly, I've waited too long... I didn't even know that there were new GPU upgrades until last month or so... they really should make a new update, and I'm excited to see the new ARM chips that Apple will put in their new Macs instead of Intel... I'm also hoping for a price-drop.
 
theSeb said:
That is strange since I am able to use it ok.
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Visual Studio for Mac is completely different than Visual Studio for Windows. On Mac it is basically just a re-brand of what used to be called Xamarin Studio. It is great and works fine if you are developing .NET applications. On Windows, Visual Studio can do .NET, C, and C++ out of the box. I purchased the 16" 2019 MacBook Pro this past May, and opted for the first time, ,to NOT install a Windows VM or use BootCamp. That was when I discovered that Visual Studio for Mac did not support all of the same options as the Windows counterpart. So, now I can use Visual Studio Code or XCode for C++ development, not Visual Studio.
 
LinkRS said:
Visual Studio for Mac is completely different than Visual Studio for Windows. On Mac it is basically just a re-brand of what used to be called Xamarin Studio. It is great and works fine if you are developing .NET applications. On Windows, Visual Studio can do .NET, C, and C++ out of the box. I purchased the 16" 2019 MacBook Pro this past May, and opted for the first time, ,to NOT install a Windows VM or use BootCamp. That was when I discovered that Visual Studio for Mac did not support all of the same options as the Windows counterpart. So, now I can use Visual Studio Code or XCode for C++ development, not Visual Studio.
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I use Visual Studio in both Windows and Mac OS. I was replying to the rather strong opinoin of the poster that "VS for Mac is basically unusable,"

I disagree that it's unusable.
 
theSeb said:
I use Visual Studio in both Windows and Mac OS. I was replying to the rather strong opinoin of the poster that "VS for Mac is basically unusable,"

I disagree that it's unusable.
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I concur with your unusable statement 1000%, it is far from unsuable if your target is .NET. I was just (poorly, sorry :-() trying to point out how it could be considered unsuable for some, if your target was NOT .NET. I used it back when it was still Xamarin Studio, and was very happpy when it became Visual Studio for Mac. However, I was disspointed that it was not the same as the Windows version though. Thanks!
 
ArtOfWarfare said:
Windows 10 is fully capable of running on ARM, so I see no reason why there couldn't be a Boot Camp for ARM based Macs. Not to mention that there's several Linux distros that can run on ARM, as well - no shortage of OSs to want to dual boot an Apple Silicon Mac with.
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It’s a MS licensing issue ... same with virtualizing MS WinArm on MacOSArm
 
MallardDuck said:
Parallels, Fusion and Virtual box are all virtualization platforms, not emulation platforms. The latter (like Rosetta 2) has a massive overhead in terms of performance, often encounters issues - especially with purpose built, highly optimized software like CAD and 3d applications, and definitely isn't supported by the vendors.

Porting from x86/x64 to ARM isn't as simple as recompiling, especially for something like a kernel, or other applications that have highly optimized code (and in many cases, assembly).

You picked the worst of the three platforms - Fusion works really well. One of the top use cases for Fusion is running AutoCAD and Solidworks on Macs for example. If they didn't port those packages to MacOS when it was on Intel, they're sure as heck not going to bother when it's on ARM. It's an order of magnitude more work.
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Rosetta/2 took an installation time approach not runtime ... the overhead is at install time
 
Babygotfont said:
It’s a MS licensing issue ... same with virtualizing MS WinArm on MacOSArm
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This sounds weird. Does MS have some kind of agreement that Windows can't be generally installed on non-Intel powered CPUs?

Or is Microsoft just looking to duplicate Apple and shift Windows to exclusively running on Microsoft hardware as Intel based PCs die?

I'd imagine people can still run Windows 10 illegally on Apple Silicon, or Microsoft can just name whatever price they want people to pay to install Windows on Apple Silicon.
 
ArtOfWarfare said:
This sounds weird. Does MS have some kind of agreement that Windows can't be generally installed on non-Intel powered CPUs?
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There's simply no non-OEM version of Windows on ARM. You can't buy a Windows 10 retail copy for ARM.

ArtOfWarfare said:
Or is Microsoft just looking to duplicate Apple and shift Windows to exclusively running on Microsoft hardware as Intel based PCs die?
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I think at some point, that was the plan, yes.

ArtOfWarfare said:
I'd imagine people can still run Windows 10 illegally on Apple Silicon, or Microsoft can just name whatever price they want people to pay to install Windows on Apple Silicon.
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Yup.
 
ArtOfWarfare said:
This sounds weird. Does MS have some kind of agreement that Windows can't be generally installed on non-Intel powered CPUs?

Or is Microsoft just looking to duplicate Apple and shift Windows to exclusively running on Microsoft hardware as Intel based PCs die?

I'd imagine people can still run Windows 10 illegally on Apple Silicon, or Microsoft can just name whatever price they want people to pay to install Windows on Apple Silicon.
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Without MS blessing, Apple will not release drivers. Yes, you can try. But that will be trying to run Windows 10 on current Apple hardware without any bootcamp drivers.
 
Chocomonsters said:
Without MS blessing, Apple will not release drivers. Yes, you can try. But that will be trying to run Windows 10 on current Apple hardware without any bootcamp drivers.
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I don’t think Apple needs Microsoft’s blessing, whether they have it or not. That said, without the Apple-supplied drivers, Windows on Mac might be a no go and certainly won’t be as simple to set up.

There are alternative trackpad drivers available, but I’m not sure if it’s possible to replicate or replace all the others; Touch Bar especially. I wouldn’t put it past people to give it a good shot however.
 
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