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Apple References Unreleased 2020 16-Inch MacBook Pro in Boot Camp Update

yargk

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It just means 2020 updates graphics 5600m not a new MacBook lol come on guys
I dunno, the names of macbooks are always by year and that graphics update didn't cause the 2019 mbp to get a new name.
 
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valanchan

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It's a "Fix" therefore it is referring to devices that have been bought, used, and it had a problem.
 
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chucker23n1

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Tiger lake is meant for the ultra thin and light models. Intel doesn't have the Tiger Lake chips that Apple usually use for the high-end MBPs, like the 16-inch MBP.
Tiger Lake-H has been preannounced, just not with a concrete date yet (but apparently with the info that it'll go up to eight cores).

In addition to that, we'll probably see Rocket Lake-H, possibly sooner (and maybe with up to ten cores), but not 10nm.
 
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JosepPont

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Guys, you think there will be a redesign for the ARM Macs? is too strange that they release a new machine with a whole new system in a design that is 4 years old. Furthermore, in this line, nobody has seen or reveal any rumor about a hypotetic new design as a year ago with the 16 inch MBP (i.e. hidden icons in Catalina, some leaks of the charger). It seems nothing is in the line, Kuo dissapeared, also Gurman, compared in a year ago. I dont feel that hype! :(
 
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joiwomcow

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Interesting! This might be like the 2015 15” macbook pro - the “last good macbook pro” until enough third-party software gets updated for ARM, and they iron out the bugs in the new hardware.
 
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MacRS4

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Nobody gives a crap about windows on mac. If you want a windows machine, buy one. They’re like a hundred bucks.
And rosetta on a14m will still be faster than running native on most intel macs. And eventually anything that matters will be ported.

I think what you mean is you don't give a crap about windows on a Mac - many people do, me included. No Windows OS VMs = no Mac for me unfortunately. A hundred bucks does not get you the ability to run say 10 Windows Servers as I am right now on the Mac Mini to my right, or the couple of user environments I have running very well on my iMac Pro in front of me.

I've yet to find a Windows laptop that will run my demo set virtually either, although I'll be shortly trying to on the 17" XPS. That's why I'm hoping I may get one more gen out of the 16.

Of course I could do what I need with expensive Window Intel machines. Of course I could. I just prefer doing it on MacOS. But preference doesn't get the day job done, being able to actually do the things that keep me in houses & holidays does.
 
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Sorely tempted to get the last Intel Mac as I’m not ready to give up dual booting to windows just yet... 🤔

If you need Windows too, it's a tough decision. But also, consider if you want a first gen product, a truly big first gen product, something Apple hasn't done in years. I think it'll be better to skip this first iteration and get the (hopefully) bug free second version. And I'm not just talking hardware bugs, Mac OS has to run very stable on it too and also all 3rd party apps have to transition too. All of this needs time for a smooth experience.
 
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Kobayagi

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Interesting! This might be like the 2015 15” macbook pro - the “last good macbook pro” until enough third-party software gets updated for ARM, and they iron out the bugs in the new hardware.

Haha, I was just replying about this to one of the first posters, then saw your message.
I'm using one of those ''last good macbook pro'', it's still very fast, but shows its age when doing a lot of 4K editing and animation work. So I'm tempted too if this turns out to be a last Intel MacBook Pro.
 
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simonmet

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In the other news item it looks certain that the first ARM MacBook will be a super consumer-oriented 12-inch MacBook (probably fan-less), or a 13” MBA.

So this adds credence to the “another 16” Intel Mac” theory.
 
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jlocker

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I have a 2019 MacBook Pro 16 I got 11 months ago and I can tell you it has been one of the best computers I have owned. I use a Razer EGPU box with a EVGA 2060 KO card with soon a 3080 card and the system runs everything wonderfully. Bootcamp and Windows 10 runs with no problems. I run Oculus Quest 2 VR headset, which is the most fun I have had with computers in years. To play Star Wars Squadrons in Virtual Reality and a HOTAS flight stick is magic. And then I can jump back to Mac Big Sur and do all my business work. Also with my Samsung Odyssey G7 gaming monitor the system is great for everything.
 
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theSeb

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No one expects Apple to release new Intel Macs before the end of this year.
No one except for Apple themselves. During WWDC they stated that more Intel equipped Macs are still coming.

Yes windows ARM does exist, but there is no way to buy it, there is no retail copies to buy. You can only get Windows ARM edition when buying a computer from an OEM such a microsoft surface, dell, hp, etc. So therefore you could never legally runs windows ARM on a mac nor could you get a genuine bootable ISO image from anywhere official.
Apple is also technically an OEM. There is no reason why they cannot work together on this and bring ARM Windows to run on AS Macs. This isn't 1990 anymore. Apple and Microsoft have been working closely together on various projects and MS themselves are quite keen to move onto as many platforms as possible and not rely solely on the x86 platform.

I’m going to be applying the VRM mod when I get a chance as many people say this fixes throttling issues.

For those who aren’t aware, these chips, which mostly sit at the top-centre of the logic board above the CPU and GPU, are passively cooled only and aren’t connected to a heat sync or heat pipe to active cooling. Many people suspect they overheat as a result.

It’s hard to know whether this is just cost-cutting/laziness or a deliberate decision to cripple performance; or of course, both!
Apple have a pretty good idea how many people are running Bootcamp. They will either give you a solution, or somebody has already drawn across the word "Bootcamp" on the white board with a red marker years ago.
 
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MallardDuck

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That’s a dumb way to spend money. If you need tens of thousands of people to run windows software, the mac is not the best hardware for doing that, and it‘s certainly not the most cost-effective.
Not at all. Windows is an occasional workload, and the Mac has far better overall economics. Having a single machine that does both has been a huge cost saver, and increase employee sat significantly.

just because some people only use canned mass market software doesn't mean everyone, or even most, do. The corporate market is an important piece and it requires intel compatibility. Apples walking away from it.
 
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MallardDuck

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No one except for Apple themselves. During WWDC they stated that more Intel equipped Macs are still coming.


Apple is also technically an OEM. There is no reason why they cannot work together on this and bring ARM Windows to run on AS Macs. This isn't 1990 anymore. Apple and Microsoft have been working closely together on various projects and MS themselves are quite keen to move onto as many platforms as possible and not rely solely on the x86 platform.


Apple have a pretty good idea how many people are running Bootcamp. They will either give you a solution, or somebody has already drawn across the word "Bootcamp" on the white board with a red marker years ago.
Arm windows is mostly experimental without arm applications. And the market for those would be so small that many of the important vendors will spend the resources to port to a completely different architecture.

as far as knowing how many people need intel, it's not just bootcamp, it's virtualization. And in both cases, unless the user or company enables diagnostics (which few companies do), Apple is dark to a large number of users.

remember Craig even indicated in an interview that they were aware of the issue. That's rare for Apple to acknowledge, and holds out hope for some magic long term solution.
 
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Arctic Moose

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the lack of virtualization capability for intel based os's like windows and some flavors of linux is a deal breaker for me. I really hope this is a a hint we'll get one more refresh. I plan to upgrade to it, to postpone the time when I have to either switch to, or buy a separate, windows machine. Ironically it was exactly the move away from ppc and to intel that allowed macs to penetrate the corporate market. This move will reverse that trend...there's a ton of niche windows software that will never be ported to macOS.

for recreation, this is essentially the end of major titles on macs...they already don't port to macOS natively because of a small user base, and definitely won't bother porting to a completely different architecture. Losing both boot camp and virtualization, renders the bulk of most game libraries useless.

apples misreading the impact, because most corporate it departments disable telemetry, so they don't get use data. Unless they have some magic up their sleeve like a thunderbolt 4 intel compute module (emulation won't cut it for these kinds of workloads), the end of using a Mac is in sight.
There is no reasonable way to consider playing games to be anything close to "real work", so I don't think games being ported or not counts. :)

Virtualization could definitely be an issue, but Parallels has been very quiet since WWDC, I wouldn't be surprised if there is a major announcement when the first Mac is launched.

I have VirtualBox with Windows on my 4.2 GHz i7 64 GB 5k iMac, and only use it for the convenience when performing simplest tasks since it is such a terrible experience. If I have to work for any extended period of time, or with apps requiring any kind of performance, I use a different computer anyhow.

Considering Ubuntu Desktop is available for Raspberry Pi it would be odd if it isn't available for AS shortly after launch, which means you should be able to run anything you can compile yourself. Of course this means some proprietary software may be cut off (once again, unless there is some virtualization rosetta magic happening) but I definitely consider this an acceptable loss. It's not like there will be no way to run this software in the future, and for those of us that desperately want the 12" back it is definitely the right trade-off.

I haven't ever heard of any significantly large corporate environment running Windows on Apple hardware. Can you give any examples?
 
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benthewraith

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I noticed the update but didn’t pay attention to release notes.

AMD also just updated its graphics (finally) for the first time since the 16” was released, so that might indicate an imminent update also.

bootcampdrivers.com have been releasing updated AMD drivers for months now.
 
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Ohex

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I haven't ever heard of any significantly large corporate environment running Windows on Apple hardware. Can you give any examples?
MacBooks are available in a bunch of companies, among dell and hp, etc. Usually only a couple of configs are offered and maintained.

Particularly interesing is, that most of the Microsoft employees (mostly .NET specialists) I follow on Twitter use Macbooks (and iPhones, if anybody cares).

There are plenty of examples in many companies. Not only related to using Windows but also Linux.
 

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Arctic Moose

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MacBooks are available in a bunch of companies, among dell and hp, etc. Usually only a couple of configs are offered and maintained.

Particularly interesing is, that most of the Microsoft employees (mostly .NET specialists) I follow on Twitter use Macbooks (and iPhones, if anybody cares).

There are plenty of examples in many companies. Not only related to using Windows but also Linux.
Macs have been available as an option at several of the large companies I have been at, but always running macOS. For Windows, Dell or HP has typically been the only supported configurations.

All the companies in that image deliver native Mac software, and .NET is available on macOS. Are you sure any of them actually support running Windows exclusively on Apple hardware?
 
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theSeb

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MS has a rather large Apple team since they have quite a lot of Mac OS products. I am not sure what people think they should be using instead of Macs? 🤷‍♀️
 
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Ohex

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Macs have been available as an option at several of the large companies I have been at, but always running macOS. For Windows, Dell or HP has typically been the only supported configurations.

All the companies in that image deliver native Mac software, and .NET is available on macOS. Are you sure any of them actually support running Windows exclusively on Apple hardware?
Pretty much, yeah. But I have no evidence at hand. And .NET on macOS is not that mature, really. Mono is a thing but it sucks and .NET Core is not fit for desktop development on other OSes than Windows. But the people I follow all use Visual Studio (there is basically no great alternative) and VS for Mac is really bad.

MS has a rather large Apple team since they have quite a lot of Mac OS products. I am not sure what people think they should be using instead of Macs? 🤷‍♀️
I'm talking about people that specifically do not develop for macOS here.
 
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theSeb

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.NET is open source. Visual Studio can be installed on Mac OS. By the virtue of being a ".NET specialist" they are involved in other platforms and not just Windows. A Mac makes complete sense for easy cross platform operability.
 
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