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The memory in the 27" is user upgradable but it also appears the new 21.5" is also upgradable after purchase since this is what the Apple website has to say; "Note that the 21.5-inch iMac comes with 8GB of memory built into the computer. If you think you may need more memory in the future, it may be preferable to upgrade at the time of purchase. Memory can only be upgraded by Apple or an Apple Authorized Service Provider if you choose to update at a later date."

That means that those of us who are comfortable opening up imac computers can upgrade the memory at a later time and not be forced to decide at time of purcahse to pay a kings ransom to Apple for extra memory.
You can see in the photos it has the hatch to where you install the ram, just like current iMacs.
 
I'm interested in picking this one up. Do we know if the ram is still user upgradeable on the 27 inch 5k?

It sounds like it because for the 21" the website says:

"Note that the 21.5-inch iMac comes with 8GB of memory built into the computer. If you think you may need more memory in the future, it may be preferable to upgrade at the time of purchase. Memory can only be upgraded by Apple or an Apple Authorized Service Provider if you choose to update at a later date."

You don't see that message when configuring at 27"
 
Need help deciding which graphics card to add to order of 27inch iMac.
  • Radeon Pro 580 with 8GB video memory
VS
  • Radeon Pro 570 with 4GB video memory
Why would an average graphics user need one over the other???

Thanks for your help
 
Oh it is already in full-force in the WWDC thread. Everything we asked for, and yet we still bitch. :rolleyes:

The issues with price of the iMac pro is it's static non upgradeable. Pro users DON'T want that, they want upgrade paths and options to keep machines running for years to come not all in one machines that will be behind as soon as the next options are available in hardware! They added stuff like 10gb ethernet because upgrade paths are impossible not because it made sense.

Seriously apple did it again, they took a simple situation and made it complicated. All desktop PCs should be up to date at ALL times. I still hope apple will come with a chassis with a traditional motherboard for full GPUs and CPU upgrades.

At this point MacOS could be used as a hook and sold to third party HW makers, apple can cannibalise their PC HW sales to get people into iOS instead and also open the doors to gaming on MacOS. There are hints gaming might be becoming more of a thing on Macs from this keynote.
 
Bring on the complaints about iMac Pro prices from people that have no real reason to need the power it offers.

"This Porsche 959 is far too expensive!"
THe MAC PRO was super expensive and was a complete flop. One of the worst Apple designed products ever...
 
Anyone knows how the AMD Radeon Pro 580 (in the iMac) compares with the "standard" Radeon RX 580?
The standard rx 580 is somewhere between the Geforce 1060 and 1070. seeing how Apple is still cramming that thermal enevlope into ever thinner cases, it's reasonable to assume that performance will be closer to the 1060 in the iMac.
That's good performance, but definitely not enough for full 5k at 60fps. They'd need a 1080Ti at least for that.

So the pixel vs performance schizophrenia continues.
 
Need help deciding of graphics card.
  • Radeon Pro 580 with 8GB video memory
  • Radeon Pro 570 with 4GB video memory
  • Why would an average graphics user need one over the other???

3D rendering programs or if you bootcamp and game in windows. Some E sports games on Mac but the future might mean they get more use. Having so many pixels, you really want something beefy to avoid frame rates dipping in normal use, I think graphics are the apple weak point so go hard or go home.
 
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Bring on the complaints about iMac Pro prices from people that have no real reason to need the power it offers.

"This Porsche 959 is far too expensive!"

You think that's bad? Have you looked at F1 prices over the years??? I don't know why they make those things, they cost so much no-one can afford that!
 
Let the whining about something or another begin!

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Back on topic though - they iMac Pro is out of my price range but so is the equivalent PC I could build with those parts, so no loss for me.

What I do want, though, are the black magic keyboard with numpad and Magic Mouse. This is the new hotness.
 
The issues with price of the iMac pro is it's static non upgradeable. Pro users DON'T want that, they want upgrade paths and options to keep machines running for years to come not all in one machines that will be behind as soon as the next options are available in hardware! They added stuff like 10gb ethernet because upgrade paths are impossible not because it made sense.

And yet so many "professionals" have iMacs on their desks. :rolleyes:

The iMac Pro is going to be a strong seller for Apple. Which is good, because it will show them that if they offer better performance, it will be rewarded with better sales which is good for everyone, pro and non-pro alike.
 
I bet the 18 Core CPU should put the Mac Pro well above the $4999 entry price. Probably $8999.

Well the Mac Pro is going to have to be some kind of beast considering what the iMac Pro can be, so I expect it to be very expensive. I imagine it will be a dual-socket machine (so 2x24 cores or more at top end) with maybe up to a TB of RAM as BTO.
 
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I was most shocked by Apple's announcement of an external TB3 graphics enclosure. I hope they sell it "empty" so people can drop in a GTX 1080 Ti.
 
The Butterfly keyboards are getting a lot of flack and appear to have a highish failure rate so not surprised Apple didn't bring it to the desktops.



October based on prior macOS releases.
No, I'm ecstatic they are not bringing the butterfly keyboards to the iMac!!

I'd love to get a new iMac with a fresh operating system on it, but my current iMac just died and I really can't wait. I know that's not a big deal to some, but since I upgraded my Mini to El Capitan it asks me for my iCloud password every single time I open it up. Really didn't want a bug like that when I upgraded the iMac in the fall.
 
Bring on the complaints about iMac Pro prices from people that have no real reason to need the power it offers.

"This Porsche 959 is far too expensive!"


I'm a pro user, and I'm complaining about the price. Not all pro users can afford $5,000 workstations - that's literally a closed ecosystem for upgrades.

Considering I already have a perfectly good NEC display for my work, I don't need a 5K display. So if I want a new Mac that's worthy of an upgrade over my 2009 Mac Pro, I have to get the 5K display - regardless which 27" version I purchase (pro or regular).

I can either spend $3,300 on a new iMac with the 8GB AMD video card, or I can buy a similar spec'd PC with the same 8GB AMD video card, an m.2 boot drive and a 500GB SSD active jobs drive, overclock the 4.2GHz 7700K CPU to 5GHz, and skip the display, for $1,900. ...And I can upgrade the ram, GPU, CPU, drives, et al, as needed - instead of buying an entirely new iMac. ...which likely won't come around for another 2 years, and it'll be a modest spec bump anyway.

OR! I can build an 6-core (overclocked to 4.5GHz) with two M.2 drives, 32GB RAM and a 1070GeForce GPU for $2,200 - again, skipping the display. ...btw, that $2,200 leaves a LOT of room to reach $5,000 to buy a sweet display for photography processing if needed. Almost forgot, add $200, and and at the end of July, It would cost me $2,400 for the same set-up but with an 8-core 28 PCIe lane Skylake X chip, which (allegedly) can be safely overclocked to 5GHz.

So yeah. Us pros have every. Freaking. Right. To complain about the $5,000 price.

Cheers.

EDIT: Forgot to add - the Kabylake chips in these iMacs will be outdated at the end of this month when Intel releases the new Skylake X and Kabylake X chips - which are "Pro chips". So there's that. LOL
 
I was most shocked by Apple's announcement of an external TB3 graphics enclosure. I hope they sell it "empty" so people can drop in a GTX 1080 Ti.

I think the eGPU case is how Apple can offer higher-performance, higher-TDP graphics without compromising their design ethics for thin and light. If you need the power, you can now have it with full macOS and hardware/warranty support.
 
Need help deciding which graphics card to add to order of 27inch iMac.
  • Radeon Pro 580 with 8GB video memory
VS
  • Radeon Pro 570 with 4GB video memory
Why would an average graphics user need one over the other???

Thanks for your help
It is for Machine Learning (ML) and Metal 2 in High Sierra. Developers can use new APIs to improve their apps for such powerful GPUs.
 
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Th iMac Pro is great news for Pro's. I can't wait to see the new Mac Pro and displays next year. I can still hang to my MacPro but it's exciting to see Apple moving into the right direction.
 
I'm a pro user, and I'm complaining about the price. Not all pro users can afford $5,000 workstations - that's literally a closed ecosystem for upgrades.

Considering I already have a perfectly good NEC display for my work, I don't need a 5K display. So if I want a new Mac that's worthy of an upgrade over my 2009 Mac Pro, I have to get the 5K display - regardless which 27" version I purchase (pro or regular).

I can either spend $3,300 on a new iMac with the 8GB AMD video card, or I can buy a similar spec'd PC with the same 8GB AMD video card, an m.2 boot drive and a 500GB SSD active jobs drive, overclock the 4.2GHz 7700K CPU to 5GHz, and skip the display, for $1,900. ...And I can upgrade the ram, GPU, CPU, drives, et al, as needed - instead of buying an entirely new iMac. ...which likely won't come around for another 2 years, and it'll be a modest spec bump anyway.

OR! I can build an 6-core (overclocked to 4.5GHz) with two M.2 drives, 32GB RAM and a 1070GeForce GPU for $2,200 - again, skipping the display. ...btw, that $2,200 leaves a LOT of room to reach $5,000 to buy a sweet display for photography processing if needed. Almost forgot, add $200, and and at the end of July, It would cost me $2,400 for the same set-up but with an 8-core 28 PCIe lane Skylake X chip, which (allegedly) can be safely overclocked to 5GHz.

So yeah. Us pros have every. Freaking. Right. To complain about the $5,000 price.

Cheers.

EDIT: Forgot to add - the Kabylake chips in these iMacs will be outdated at the end of this month when Intel releases the new Skylake X and Kabylake X chips - which are "Pro chips". So there's that. LOL

So, obviously this is a product that was not made for you since you already have a display. Why do people complain about a product that was made for someone else's needs? If you need a modular Mac, Apple is working on one and you can get it next year.

Bummer that Apple took so long to realize that they messed up the Mac Pro design, but that doesn't mean that this machine isn't going to be just perfect for a large number of pros.
 
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