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I'm pretty point of a laptop is to be mobile and not be tethered to the wall or router/cable modem

And yet you are still expected to plug into a power plug to get optimum performance , same goes for ethernet. Sadly wireless in many places still sucks......I write this sitting in our work place were we have TB ethernet dongles if we want to get fast transfer speeds.

Plain and simple, ethernet is rock solid, Wireless is not. Especially apple wireless, where each gen is plagued with connection issues. My 2012 was the worst performing wireless laptop ever.....thank god for ethernet
 
I'm pretty sure the point of a laptop is to be mobile and not be tethered to the wall or router/cable modem

Laptops are for portability, while giving you the option of WIFI or wired connection. Having a laptop shouldn't dedicate what kind of networking you are limited to.

Read LordVic's comment... explains the pros of a wired network connection very nicely.
 
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Not saying they won't - question is, does this snippet of Russian registration info "prove" it?

It seems pretty unlikely that Apple would re-use the model numbers of desktop systems, some of which are still current, as MBPs.

Maybe not, fairly sure updated notebooks are coming though.
 
What else did you expect? They launched a new generation of MacBook Pro less than a year ago and you want a complete redesign again?


I could see an update to the battery and other smaller tweaks that they won't advertise. Apple did a number of small tweaks for the rMBP. I think even the 2015 rMBP has a bigger battery than the 2012-2014 rMBPs. The 2013 13" rMBP was thinner and only used one fan vs the the double fan design in the 2012 13" rMBP model.

Those expecting Apple to add ports or remove the touch bar is just wishful thinking.
 
I'm super excited to buy new ipad and new laptop.

But after the terrible experience with the latest MacBook Pro, I'm going to hold back. Wait for some reviews that come from users using the laptop for awhile—not the puff pieces by industry rags for access—and so I can play with them in Apple stores.
 
I feel sorry for those who jumped ship 6 months ago...
then again, they are probably the same rich people who can buy a laptop again... and again... and again... with all the accessories and peripherals without worries.
 
does anyone remember when Apple used to make "the fastest laptop"??

I remember in a Keynote that Steve Jobs commented on how thin (he used the word sexy) the Sony laptops were compared to his fast Mac laptops. From that point on, Apple has focused on making more sexier laptops over speed but speed in ranked after that.
 
On another site I also read a new Magic Keyboard is included in this. With Touchpad?!

I fear it's going to be a "Here's a MacBook Pro c.2012 keyboard for all you stupid people that hate the new one. It'll fit right in the space left in your laptop bag that's available now that our new MacBook Pro is so THIN! Backlight? No, why would we do something useful like that, that would've made it too thick! We even sell you a protective cover to keep debris out from the keys, for an additional $49.99!" thing...

Otherwise, it'd be very strange to announce, ship, a new wireless Keyboard w/o a desktop Mac to go with it, wouldn't it?
 
I fear it's going to be a "Here's a MacBook Pro c.2012 keyboard for all you stupid people that hate the new one. It'll fit right in the space left in your laptop bag that's available now that our new MacBook Pro is so THIN! Backlight? No, why would we do something useful like that, that would've made it too thick! We even sell you a protective cover to keep debris out from the keys, for an additional $49.99!" thing...

Otherwise, it'd be very strange to announce, ship, a new wireless Keyboard w/o a desktop Mac to go with it, wouldn't it?

I find it interesting, and it's possible that a new keyboard could be announced that has the OLED bar in it. Whiel there's no new desktops to go with it, people who dock their MacBook Pro when at a workstation would be able to use a regular full size keyboard and still have touchbar access. where right now, fi you dock your MBPro and opt for full size keyboard, you lose the Touchbar completely.
 
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PLEASE don't tell me they ruined the Magic Keyboard by switching from scissors to butterflies..

The Magic Keyboard is almost perfect right now (arrow key situation would be my main gripe)

The only addition I'd like to see with a newer Magic Keyboard would be the inclusion of Touch ID for faster user switching and/or Apple Pay.
 
I feel sorry for those who jumped ship 6 months ago...
then again, they are probably the same rich people who can buy a laptop again... and again... and again... with all the accessories and peripherals without worries.

7th gen and 6th gen CPU or a minor GPU improvement doesn't really matter in real life to 99% of the population.
 
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I wonder if Apple will update the TB to 2.0 higher resolution. I want a 15" without the TB but I know Apple won't do that, so I hope they at least update the TB for better resolution or is that for later update??
 
Sales does not equal customer satisfaction.

Neither does your comment.

But sales do say something about popular demand. All sales records have been broken and I hear a lot of good stories from people working on these machines. In this age of the internet where people can address their view on a given product you'll always have people complaining. Some with some valid points, but also people with silly points. But even that is in the eye of the beholder.

The question is, success by who's standards?

I would state: my standards. After all, it's the buyer him or herself that will need to work with the device. To keep it simple, a MacBook Pro might not meet your standards but it sure does meet my standards. And I'm a professional in need for a good solid working laptop and that's exactly what the MacBook Pro delivers. If I needed a render farm then I would have bought a PC laptop, but this current MacBook Pro works just fine for photoshop and editing digital photography purposes as well for editing simple 4K movies. I can state this because that's exactly what I'm doing with the device.

All tough I'm aiming for a new MacPro for more heavy tasks, I can't state that this current MacBook Pro is an slow machine, rather the opposite when you see that it's equipped with four thunderbolt 3 and USB-C connecters for transferring files. And the internal storage is extremely fast.

I'm playing a little devil's advocate here because companies always bend numbers to their marketing story. It could simply be there were tons of people and businesses that have held out and this is what they got. Maybe they aren't happy with the purchase but they simply couldn't wait any longer.

That's just speculating. Like I said, amount of sales are more concrete, I find it hard to believe that people "just" spend over $3000,- dollars for an Apple laptop "just" because they couldn't wait any longer. Only die-hard fanboys might do such thing. Most people don't spend just over $3000 just to get their hands on the latest Macbook. Even more, most criticasters in need for an upgrade bought the previous model. But this group is not large. It has more to do with cost then with not willing to spend over $3000 for a MacBook Pro without any "normal" usb connections which will be obsolete pretty soon.

So point being, it could be pent up demand that couldn't wait any longer but aren't necessarily happy with their purchase. I wouldn't say that's success.

Me neither, I would call is pure speculation from your hand.

Now in reality, it's probably somewhere in the middle. I've had a few people I know say they love it all the way to the opposite side of they had to swallow it whether it was a corporate purchase or they are too far into the Apple ecosystem.

It sounds silly to me when people stating that they "swallow" the fact that they have bought a laptop for over more then $3000 just because they where in the Apple ecosystem. Silly because even the previous laptops are up for most tasks done by professionals. It's not that with this new MacBook Pro the previous models suddenly stopped operating. It's also sounds silly because there are plenty of alternatives. IF one REALLY is in need for a massive render laptop then he or she should buy a PC laptop instead since expensive PC laptops comes with better graphic cards to begin with. There is no such thing as an Apple ecosystem within this given context. For example, most professionals that I know, including myself, are working with the Adobe software packages. With the same paid license you can easily download all the needed program's once again on Windows and visa versa for Window switchers coming to an Apple environment. A good friend of mine is professional 3D designer and switched to Windows PC and he was able to change his Apple Maya software into a windows version.

There are just few people really attached to Apple's eco system when working daily on Final Cut Pro for example. But for heavy professional task one can do everything, if not more, on other programs as well. The cost doesn't provide many reasons these days to stay on one system. In short, both OSX and Windows can deliver and for both platforms you have very fine laptops available.
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7th gen and 6th gen CPU or a minor GPU improvement doesn't really matter in real life to 99% of the population.


So true!
 
I don't see Apple actually doing anything with the batteries, they might have increased battery life if that is something that comes with Kabylake.
The rumor is that Apple intended to include terraced batteries in the 2016 models but couldn't, for whatever reason.
 
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I remember in a Keynote that Steve Jobs commented on how thin (he used the word sexy) the Sony laptops were compared to his fast Mac laptops. From that point on, Apple has focused on making more sexier laptops over speed but speed in ranked after that.

Apple's laptops have always been "sexier" than PCs. And some of the latter PPC PowerBooks were slow compared to PCs because Apple was wedded to PPC at the time. But at least since the TiBook I've always been very happy with my PB and MBPs. The current one is a bit frustrating for reasons noted on MR ad nauseam but still, I'm happy to have it over any PC. Would be nice to see Apple introduce a Touch Bar Free 15".
 
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I feel sorry for those who jumped ship 6 months ago...
then again, they are probably the same rich people who can buy a laptop again... and again... and again... with all the accessories and peripherals without worries.


You don't have to feel sorry, I'm perfectly happy with my MacBook Pro and I'm in no need to buy a newer model. This model will last for years for the things I like to do with it. And this current MacbookPro will just fit in perfectly in the years to come when the world is slowly moving towards USB-C and Thunderbolt 3.
 
True, but to say ethernet/wired (including your example) networking is dead is silly. Wifi is convenient for tablets and moving around with laptops, but wired is still consistently faster and more secure. :)

Wired is only more secure in terms of snoopers on the same wifi network but then things such as VPNs can help take care of that oh and plus there are so many ways someone like me could compromise your machine EVEN if it is wired rather than wireless.
Security is a state of mind, not just how you connect.
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At my work, we get laptops for portability ( and security ) . You may think ethernet is dead, but others think differently, so stop with this self proclaiming "ethernet is dead"...

Ethernet on small mobile devices ( not laptops ) was never really 'a thing'.

WIFI is still too slow for large amounts of data.


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Hmm... think office networking... we all don't use apple laptops for home use, or at starbucks drinking lattes. Again, WIFI is slow for shifting large amounts of data.

it may not be dead yet but ethernet is certainly dying and wifi speeds are improving, mainly because Windows laptops are improving the rubbish wifi they have generally had for so long.
 
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