So according to you people with Samsung phones are living substandard lives.
Well since TV is in that category and it’s not regulated back to the dma being targeted regulation .
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Well since TV is in that category and it’s not regulated back to the dma being targeted regulation .
I don't think they have the best mobile gaming market for the users. They definitely have the most profitable one but that is mostly because games on iOS are fulled with scummy micro transactions, not just cosmetics but actual slot machine style manipulation.
No one is saying that, they are saying that if you are one of the two major players offering a product that is fairly essential to productive living in the modern world that you are going to face regulatory scrutiny. You started by trying to make out the iOS devices are lifestyle products that aren't really that important. Just because you can buy a smartphone from company B doesn't mean the smartphone from company A isn't still a very important platform.So according to you people with Samsung phones are living substandard lives.
Yeah that's like saying the casino that brings in more money than the hobby shop across the street is indicative of what the people want in their city.
I don't think you're understanding the comparison. I can't help that unfortunately. It's just an analogy, something to compare A to B with. As they are based off the physical store, and a computing device.
Same analogy, it's been repeated many times. You go to any store, you buy things. You generally don't see items with multiple prices and re-directs to other stores near by. I think someone could be laughed out of the store if they asked them to post a price for item x that is sold at store B. While some stores will price match or even beat the price from a competitor. We generally don't' see the price of the competing store anywhere in the store we are in. We also don't see a competing price on or within the item we are purchasing either. Maybe there is a coupon in the box or something for when it's purchased again, or another product they offer. But, generally the "person(s)" are the one that is supposed to "shop".
And I have stated that it should be allowed for the developer to advertise pricing on their site. And via emails to account holders. "Hey, want to get VBUCKS, go to www.epicstore.com and make your purchase. It will apply to all devices and consoles you login with. I have no issue and I think Apple would be fine with that level of informative ads. But, just not within the app.
You can either remove the IAP feature "or" you charge what you need to charge for the IAP to cover whatever the cost is and the fee to Apple. For example, I may go to a convenience store for chips and beer. I "know" it's going to cost more there than if I went to the supermarket and a beer distributor. But, I'm here at the convenience store. Apple made it convenient to purchase directly within my iPhone for X and Y apps. I know I could go online and get subscriptions from Spotify and Netflix directly (supermarket and beer distributor) for less. But, I'm here, and I'm willing to sign up even at the higher price. Because maybe Apple lets me unsubscribe easier or offers me some benefit for purchasing it "here" rather than "there". Or maybe I'm just rich enough to not care. Either way, this is perfectly normal in everyday life as to not be that difficult to solve the minutia details of how to reach a customer for more business the way we have been doing it for-eva.
I've agreed with this. These things fit categories, and are well defined by what they are.
We know you physically can't carry a Target, Best Buy, or any physical store around. We know there is a digital store built into the iPhone. And within the EU going forward, you will have the option to install 3rd party stores. The store comparisons (digital vs physical) is do to the similar rules which they both tend to operate under. I.E you buy something from a "store". What rules stores follow. What fees stores charge vendors for being "in" the store. What stores offer customers shopping "within" the store. And what vendors can and can't do while being sold "within" the stores they are being sold at. Is the iPhone in itself a store? It can be argued yes it is, as the store is built in. You don't have to use the store, and can live with just the apps the device came with. Its possible.
I have also argued that "Choice" is available to anyone that thinks Apple is being unfair and acting as a monopoly. By stating exactly the same thing you just said about Android. You have a choice to not pick Apple or iOS by purchasing any number of android devices that let you do exactly what you're complaining about Apple not allowing.
These devices can compute, but they are not at the same as a desktop for many things. While exceedingly better at other things desktops can't do. They are "different" and should be treated differently for their use cases and purposes.
A calculator is a computer as well. No one is comparing it to a desktop though. A smart watch is a computer, a Wi-Fi router is a computer, and a gaming console and so on.
An iPhone is a lifestyle product. I have many lifestyle products in my home that make my life easier. A galaxy is also a lifestyle product. Neither of these would exist or be as useful without cellular service. USB dongles have existed for decades. Now laptops have cellular chips.
Pretty much a computer and internet is the landscape of 2024.
Yeah, Apple is hyper competitive not anticompetitive. iPhone and iOS were not clones of what most people thought you needed to be successful in the cell phone market. Neither was the App Store or the A series SoC. Those aren't the kinds of things a company would do if it expected to just bully its way to the top through antitrust activity and not the quality/popularity of it's products and services.
Electricity is a lifestyle product based on this line of thinking... which by your definition of lifestyle product everything above subsistence is...
Oh my…. This is not accurate at all. Apple does not personally vet every application that goes into the AppStore. They have millions of submissions a year and they never have and will never invest the money for the manpower to manually review everything.
This manual review process only occurs once for a very large batch of submissions and the rest is handled by simple checks and automation.
Also, the way developers are described in the statement above it makes them seem like some sort of opposition to Apple and that is not the case at all. Apple depends heavily on developers for everything. Even for their own OS. In fact most of the developers who con tribute to Code for iOS and MacOS are not even Apple employees anymore.
Most are subcontracted. Apple maintains a relatively small team Apple employed developers who work with the subcontractors and in very select circumstances individually develop components of the software.
The image of Apple being this completely walled off garden of Eden is extremely dated. It’s just not the case anymore. And it couldn’t be as Apple is far too big.
Let me give an example. Boeing designs the specifications for airliners just like Airbus but then both companies use hundreds of subcontractors to source parts and functional systems to integrate into the overall aircraft design and manufacture.
Remember Apple products always have the statement “Designed by Apple in California” (I’m paraphrasing but it’s very close to that.)
But manufacture and systems integration and even the specific design of sub components happens elsewhere and is often beyond Apple’s scope of vision.
They are in many cases consumers of others texhnology. The WiFi and Bluetooth radios as well as the GSM radios are all designed, manufactured and supported by other parties like Broadcom and Qualcomm.
The displays by Samsung and LG, Sony and Sharp.
The memory by Samsung and Hynix or Toshiba etc.
The list goes on and on.
Each of those components has microcode written by those manufacturers and not Apple.
Even the USB ports and the controllers for them.
Truth be told this is how Apple has always operated. They were a designer of computer systems that had one proprietary thing and that was the “Operating System”.
MacOS and iOS are very much things that Apple could say they worked on to great extent in their walled garden of Eden but even those both have significant portions of code borrowed from Unix and then driver code for every major subsystem that pairs with the hardware it runs on.
And that driver code is written by third parties. BUT Apple has been very active in maturing both iOS and MacOS to securely sign each piece of code provided by third parties … but this came much later I. The process of developing the operating systems.
With all of this there have been numerous compromises made from both Apple and their vendors and partners. And this third party AppStore non-sense requires more of the same “compromise”. Except that Apple truly believed they were big and tough enough to refuse to compromise anywhere.
You... realize... you just said...
Businesses do not have a choice but to target both iOS and Android to reach users. Both, not one or the other.
No one will be forcing you to download another App Store. Most people won’t. What other stores will do is to likely change apple’s own business practices.
If suddenly there is an exodus of apps to their stores that’s a sign that apple needs to change.
Because it's convenient and simple. And Apple does a pretty good job.
I can't think of any software or service which isn't available on iOS which I want on a mobile phone.
Now, if the DMA had forced developers to support macOS with native apps, I might have been more positive.
Epic and Microsoft (and all the other AAA behemoths) now have the chance to show what their vision is for gaming on mobile now that they can run their own stores. Will they rush to provide comprehensive and dirt cheap catalogs of AAA games? Or will they offer some short term mark downs on things that were already previously available on iOS like Fortnite and cloud gaming subscriptions? I'm guessing it will be more like the latter than the former.
But I might have to make a choice between
1) getting an app I want and downloading an alternative application store and dealing with it
or
2) Forego the app altogether
It's a choice I don't really need to make today because all the apps I want or need is either in the App Store or doesn't exist.
Secondly, the opening up of browser will affect my usage of Safari on the Mac.
Electricity is an essential service. Your life is physically much harder without it to the point of survival. You gonna compare that to a iPhone?
Out of all of the applications I commonly use on macOS Mac Mail is the one that seems to grab large amounts of memory and frequently will not quit properly when I reboot or shut down. Third party apps are way better. Apart from teams. But teams is horrible on every single platform.
This whole discussion here feels to me like half of the people were prison inmates in fear of what could happen to them if someone would open the outer doors.
I assume you are familiar with the term "Sherlocked". There is precedent here.
Ok fair enough - you know what you want and that’s ok. Though again, no one is forcing anyone to download other browsers.
I’d say Apple’s greed and sense of entitlement has caused this issue.
When a vast amount of your developers seem to be very unhappy with you, that’s a warning sign.
The very definition of lifestyle you used was just making life easier, millions of people worldwide have no problem surviving without electricity. You want phones to be unimportant, but in the grand scheme of things there are no hard edges you can point to, it's a fuzzy boundary not a hard one.
Oh I think they are not going to improve things at all, I actually think the DMA doesn't do enough to target the things that are actual problems for users.
A without electricity ther are no cell phones. Tanks for proofing that point. But try surviving in the middle of nyc without electricity. One can’t even the less fortunate depend on power.
phones to be treated as they are. As tvs sound be treated for what they are.
Everything is fuzzy, including the dma where my contention is the eu threaded the needle.
Yes, but the EU only makes it worse.
I only use one messaging app, iMessage. It allows me to communicate with everyone I know.
And multiple streaming services is bad and the EU is not doing anything to make sure that everything is available from one source.
So my solution is the Apple TV+ app which aggregates all the streaming services I use into one overarching application.
Sure in NYC you can't survive without electricity, but that is partially because of Laws and rules that prevent you from modifying your home and installing a fireplace for heating and cooking rather than being an intrinsic problem to NYC.
TVs are less important than phones, far less important.
Try and have a job in the IT sector without a smartphone.
And I wish Apple was powerful enough to force all developers to have their applications in the Mac App Store. The distribution of applications is in fact one of the best properties of iOS and I wish that every other system for consumers would use the same including Windows and Linux.
Fortunately, most of the applications I need are in the Mac App Store, and only about 2-3 are outside.