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All you need is a couple bad actors in the alternative App Store submitting bad Apps
And let’s see what people say


The 3rd party App store will be incentivized to deal with issues like this, or people won't use that App store

You've highlighted the beauty of having multiple App stores

They'd have to compete for your business - even Apple!
 
Yes. I work in the (US) government space, so well aware how regulations work. But until the EU updates the regulation, which is not a quick process, the fact of the matter is the DMA doesn’t ban gatekeepers from charging for their services. Google is imposing the same core user fee Apple is. So it’ll get litigated.
I don't think they have to update the regulation. The issue is, that Alt-Stores are at a huge disadvantage right now in comparison to App Store Apps, especially if they are free.

One way I can see this playing out, is that the Commission will demand from Apple to charge the same Platform Fee in their own App Store. Remember, they are not interested (yet) in mandating a specific fee schedule. It's enough for them when alternative means of App Distribution are not at a disadvantage.
 
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Excluding food, what isn’t a lifestyle product?
Medical devices, cpap machine, hvac units, light bulbs, cars, computers. Sure you can say we really don't need any of those but they really essential for a functioning life in the same demographic a cell would be used in. Not all people have smartphones, people do have cell phones, but in that demographic electricity is used to provide the functions of the above.
 
Medical devices, cpap machine, hvac units, light bulbs, cars, computers. Sure you can say we really don't need any of those but they really essential for a functioning life in the same demographic a cell would be used in. Not all people have smartphones, people do have cell phones, but in that demographic electricity is used to provide the functions of the above.
The tricky question is, in the modern world, can you have electricity without smartphones? 🧐
 
Medical devices, cpap machine, hvac units, light bulbs, cars, computers. Sure you can say we really don't need any of those but they really essential for a functioning life in the same demographic a cell would be used in. Not all people have smartphones, people do have cell phones, but in that demographic electricity is used to provide the functions of the above.

Are you talking modern society or some remote island. Those people also don't have cell phones and probably don't have to worry about 2fa to initiate some financial transaction.
Every one of those are products to improve the quality of life. Life went on without them.
 
All arguing like the EU didn't already define Apple and Google's platforms as core services.

It's fundamental to understanding the situation

I'd highly recommend folks listen to ATP (Accidental Tech Podcast) this week

John Siracusa beautiful articulated the different perspectives of the EU vs Apple and/or American business.
Once you understand the different viewpoints, everything going on makes complete sense.
 
Depends where this ends.

Controlled app stores that are quality assured, and only notarised apps running, is for me preferable to a Wild West where malware and bad actors could be rife.
Isn‘t that how this will work?
 
This is what I don't understand about Epic's legal claims against the app store. Don't they own the Unreal Engine platform and take a percentage of things sold on there? So isn't that hypocritical?
 
Then they should have written that in the regulation. They didn’t. So it’ll get litigated.
Listening to the comment she still doesn’t say fees are not allowed. Just that they cannot be prohibitive (make difficult), whatever that means in practice.

She also did not reference fees as defined in the DMA, just her comment. So, again, what is written into the law on this topic?
 
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Honestly Apple just pull out of the EU. Let them use ****** androids for a while instead!! We don't want compromised security and all kinds of weaknesses introduced from having a wild west alternative app store in the US!!
 
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Oh, my bad, I should have said “every other *relevant* software distribution service” 😉
I've purchased high-quality Mac apps from independent developers that used Fastspring. So they're relevant for me.
The only reason they're not more relevant on iOS? Apple prohibits them from being included in apps.

Just think how much more exciting the tech industry would be if the EU were actually competing instead of just making rules
Freeing them from the shackles of Apple will certainly help that.
until the EU updates the regulation, which is not a quick process
"The Commission is empowered to adopt delegated acts in accordance with Article 49 to supplement this Regulation with regard to the obligations laid down in Articles 5 and 6. Those delegated acts shall be based on a market investigation pursuant to Article 19 that has identified the need to keep those obligations up to date in order to address practices that limit the contestability of core platform services or that are unfair in the same way as the practices addressed by the obligations laid down in Articles 5 and 6."

It takes a while but not that long.
the fact of the matter is the DMA doesn’t ban gatekeepers from charging for their services.
...as long as they don't undermine effective compliance with the rules and objectives of the regulation.
computers. Sure you can say we really don't need any of those but they really essential for a functioning life in the same demographic
Thank you for confirming that iPhones are essential. ;)
What else is the iPhone, if not a handheld computer?
 
All you need is a couple bad actors in the alternative App Store submitting bad Apps
And let’s see what people say
What is the incentive for alternate App Store not to police the apps in their store? Also it’s not like Apple has a perfect record when it comes to policing apps in the App Store.
 
No - it’s a slippery slope, where those gaining will keep demanding more.
According to Apple’s documentation:

Apps on alternative app marketplaces undergo a Notarization process to ensure every app meets baseline platform integrity standards, but it is up to each alternative app marketplace to review apps in accordance with their own processes and policies.
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Notarization for iOS apps is a baseline review that applies to all apps, regardless of their distribution channel, focused on platform policies for security and privacy and to maintain device integrity. Through a combination of automated checks and human review, Notarization helps ensure apps are free of known malware, viruses, or other security threats, function as promised, and don’t expose users to egregious fraud. Information from the Notarization process is also used for app installation sheets, which provide at-a-glance descriptions of apps and their functionality before users download them — including the developer, screenshots, age ratings and other essential information. You are shown this information every time you install an app from an alternative app marketplace, unless you set it as your default marketplace.


 
There are other ways.
There are also other ways to get electricity than going through the local power company, such as using a gas generator or solar panels. But that wouldn't be justification for the power company taxing appliance makers, ”because the appliance makers wouldn't exist if the utility company hadn't built the infrastructure for powering those appliances."
And some people live in areas where a generator or solar panels aren't an option.
But to your point 2fa is not a quality of life as electricity is. Don’t make 2fa a basis for quality of life. It’s a fake argument.
I recently had to transfer a large amount of money to buy a house. I ran into an issue because I didn't have a cell phone, so I couldn't provide some authentication the bank needed. My Windows PC was not an acceptable alternative in this situation. Something was eventually worked out, but we ended up having to postpone the closing date. Yeah, I could have used a generator... er, a flip-phone, instead but I didn't have one of those either.
 
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