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The other difference is that there are only two OS choices available for smartphones, and it's almost impossible to enter that market. Some of the biggest companies in the world, such as Microsoft and Amazon have tried and failed.
That's because consumers didn't like what Microsoft or Amazon were offering. Kind of like how Palm, Nokia and Blackberry fell by the wayside once iOS and Android were established.
 
has the EU stated that? is there a court ruling that says so? No. its YOUR opinion only, but to that you are entitled
its literally in the Digital Markets Act itself.. stating that gatekeeper shall offer interobility and access to both hardware and software to competitors free of charge.

What do you think that means?
Its only matter of time before EU Comission reviews all the compliance changes each gatekeeper submitted prior to 6th of March and starts launching investigations or straight up forcing gatekeepers to change their terms and services that are not complying with the DMA.
 
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Unjust rules don't need to be followed.
Devil's advocate...Did you have this same attitude when people fought the mandates during COVID? Plenty of people felt like those were unjust rules. Or are the only "unjust rules" the ones YOU, personally, don't like?
 
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There is no way the government even had time to file any paperwork. What Fantasy world do you live in that government works that fast? Apple wanted in writing that Epic would play by the rules, guessing they got it.
I think what happened is that Phil Schiller had a conversation with the guys from legal. They told him how much his stunt would cost, and then had to backtrack, haha.
 
Nope. This is about fair competition, one of the key rules of our market. There no room any more for Apples „lock competition out, lock users in“ business model.

This is where a lot of the confusion comes from. America generally considers monopolistic behavior illegal if that behavior hurts consumers (almost always in the form of higher prices), but if prices aren't being impacted, it doesn't matter. The EU cares more about monopolies that hinder competition, consumer welfare be damned, because, in theory, competition leads to more innovation. Ben Thompson has a good article about this from a few years ago when Google got hit with the EU hammer.
 
its literally in the Digital Markets Act itself.. stating that gatekeeper shall offer interobility and access to both hardware and software to competitors free of charge.
Oh, now I get it...you're just rehashing the same mistaken interpretation of the DMA that I've seen in previous threads. The "free of charge" part only applies to any of the new forms of system/functional access that the DMA requires. App Stores and the like aren't part of that. They're not saying Apple can't charge for use of their IP.
 
its literally in the Digital Markets Act itself.. stating that gatekeeper shall offer interobility and access to both hardware and software to competitors free of charge.

What do you think that means?
Its only matter of time before EU Comission reviews all the compliance changes each gatekeeper submitted prior to 6th of March and starts launching investigations or straight up forcing gatekeepers to change their terms and services that are not complying with the DMA.
the lawyers will figure out what it means ... Until then, you have an opinion but not facts. Simple as that.
 
This in and of itself is ridiculous, but I’m not surprised by EU. Politicians aren’t the best and brightest.
That's for sure. What it defintely DOES showcase though...is the attitude of entitlement that Europeans seem to have. They want everything...for nothing.
 
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Failed analogy. They are opening the store directly inside Target and using everything Target its paying for to sell their product and paying Target $0. This is not across the street when you need Targets customers and Targets hardware and Targets software to sell your products.
Only by virtue of the fact that Apple has chosen to essentially make the entire town part of their “store.” If Apple hadn’t forced alternate app stores to go through the App Store and instead allowed them to sideload, it would be no different than Apple not deserving a cut just because I purchased something on Safari on my iPhone. Apple acts like they’re the mob and if you want to do business in this town then you owe them a cut. And if you disagree, well, “we have ways to take care of that…”
 
Oh, now I get it...you're just rehashing the same mistaken interpretation of the DMA that I've seen in previous threads. The "free of charge" part only applies to any of the new forms of system/functional access that the DMA requires. They're not saying Apple can't charge for use of their IP.
And what about the fact that the Core Technology Fee will hinder and disolussion any rival from developing/launching their app store, i would say there are at least 2 or more sections about fair competition?
Anyway this year will be fun and i will enjoy all changes Apple made and continues to be forced to make in my country.
 
Oh, now I get it...you're just rehashing the same mistaken interpretation of the DMA that I've seen in previous threads. The "free of charge" part only applies to any of the new forms of system/functional access that the DMA requires. App Stores and the like aren't part of that. They're not saying Apple can't charge for use of their IP.
let them have their fun here today ;)

Reality is, laws are somewhat high level and somewhat vague, Apple is in the process of getting clarity on some aspects, that will go through the courts and take years ...
 
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That's for sure. What it defintely DOES showcase though...is the attitude of entitlement that Europeans seem to have. They want everything...for nothing.
I’m from one of those countries and I have tell you some people are really full off it back there. I’m quite sick of it. Why can’t we just be rational.
 
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let them have their fun here today ;)

Reality is, laws are somewhat high level and somewhat vague, Apple is in the process of getting clarity on some aspects, that will go through the courts and take years ...
I highly doubt DMA violations will take years, it will be matter of months with these high fines, and most gatekeepers found in violation in the slightest will JUMP head first to change any part that is not in compliance and not get fined.
We saw that mere notion of EU launching investigation in Apple killing Web Apps made them reconsider that decision, same thing with banning Epic, it will be the same for anything else EU deems as wrong.
 
And what about the fact that the Core Technology Fee will hinder and disolussion any rival from developing/launching their app store, i would say there are at least 2 or more sections about fair competition?
Anyway this year will be fun and i will enjoy all changes Apple made and continues to be forced to make in my country.
How has that been established as a fact by anyone? You're just making stuff up. The three main goals of the DMA as described by the EU are

- interoperability and nondiscrimination
- data portability and access
- transparency and profiling requirements

Note how there's nothing in there about forcing gatekeepers to provide everything free of charge.
 
If you want to set up that Mom and Pop business using Target's (Apple's) resources (distribution, APIs, reviewers, et al.) then yes, you should have to get approval and Target (Apple) should have the right to say yay or nay and there are penalties when you abuse the privileges. That's how Amazon and Target marketplaces work. you agree to Target's TandC's to be able to use their platform to sell your stuff. If you violate them you're gone.

If I had the actual resources to build my own platform, manufacture the devices, create the software, along with the APIs that developers would use to create software and I charged them a nominal fee to be a developer, I would damn well reserve the right to kick them off of my platform for their bad behavior or shenanigans the went against the LEGAL agreement that they AGREED to. If they didn't want to be bound by the agreement then they wouldn't be able to create software for my devices. I certainly don't want some idiot politicians who are only guided by how much money they can get out of this with fines and consent agreements and such getting involved. But here we are, with EU meddling and the usual suspects around here thinking that it's going to suddenly make the iPhone platform some free love panacea.

Quick answer - it won't...this is all going to turn out very badly for consumers who will blame Apple for fraud, identity theft, viruses and whatever else ends up happening to which they should point people in the direction of their congress critters and the vocal supporters on this forum.

Once you build a platform big enough and vital enough to society that access to that platform is fairly vital to success then you start to enter the realm of regulatory scrutiny. If Apple wanted to be a sub 10% marketshare platform where being on it or off it didn't matter much then you might have a point about not being regulated.

As I, and others have pointed out:

- Apple can charge a platform fee for SDK access
- Apple cannot reasonably expect a share of all transactions that occur on their platform

Conflating these two is why Apple's position is so incoherent.
 
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