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It's disappointing that MR chooses to selectively edit the first hand material available and leave out the important details.

Schiller's email, including the limited quote provided, simply culminated in a request for written assurances from Sweeney that Epic wouldn't pull the same stunt again. That email was not a termination letter.
Yes, and the CEO of Epic tweets out a lie regarding the reasons behind it. What he is not saying is that the EU now knows Epic has given assurances over their compliance with their agreement with Apple, and any violation will result in final termination. He wants to paint this as the EU forcing the hand of Apple when in fact Apple probably wanted this leverage all along.
 
I highly doubt DMA violations will take years, it will be matter of months with these high fines, and most gatekeepers found in violation in the slightest will JUMP head first to change any part that is not in compliance and not get fined.
We saw that mere notion of EU launching investigation in Apple killing Web Apps made them reconsider that decision, same thing with banning Epic, it will be the same for anything else EU deems as wrong.
I’ve got nothing.
 
That's because consumers didn't like what Microsoft or Amazon were offering. Kind of like how Palm, Nokia and Blackberry fell by the wayside once iOS and Android were established.

Many did like what these companies were offering, but Apps are king, lack of third party Apps killed both Palm and Blackberry, no one wants a phone that you can't do much with.
 
Only by virtue of the fact that Apple has chosen to essentially make the entire town part of their “store.” If Apple hadn’t forced alternate app stores to go through the App Store and instead allowed them to sideload, it would be no different than Apple not deserving a cut just because I purchased something on Safari on my iPhone. Apple acts like they’re the mob and if you want to do business in this town then you owe them a cut. And if you disagree, well, “we have ways to take care of that…”
Yes, the entire part of town that they built and maintain. And if you don't like it, there is a whole "open" other part of town where you have a bunch of really great options.

It's like moving into a neighborhood with a HOA and then getting upset you can't paint your house purple. Do I think it's ridiculous an HOA says you can't paint your house whatever color you want? Absolutely. But you knew that you couldn't when you bought the house!

Do I think it's ridiculous Apple is kicking and screaming about this? Yes. Do I wish they'd allow side loading? Personally, for me yes - but I think it's going to lead to more issues with normal users than people who want it realize. Do I think the EU should be able to force them to? Absolutely not. Do I think that my (or Apple's) opinion matters here? No - the EU is going to do what the EU is going to do.
 
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How has that been established as a fact by anyone? You're just making stuff up.
i think you did not even read the law, you are just salty and sulking because a gov made apple give choices to their users and forced apple to allow competitors to use their product.
im frankly done replying here because its pointless.
We will all see what this year brings and who was right who was wrong.
 
How has that been established as a fact by anyone? You're just making stuff up.

I actually think the CTF would have been legally fine if Apple hadn't carved out an exception for Apps distributed exclusively through their own store under the old terms. That exception amounts to an attempt to steer developers away from alternative stores.

Granted I think the CTF is too high, the cost gets exorbitant too fast - if it were something like $0.01/download or $0.10/100 downloads it might be more reasonable since that would scale better while still earning them lots of money for iOS SDK Development.
 
Devil's advocate...Did you have this same attitude when people fought the mandates during COVID? Plenty of people felt like those were unjust rules. Or are the only "unjust rules" the ones YOU, personally, don't like?
Apple maintaining a monopoly over app distribution, including restricting what developers can say in their own apps about payment methods, is not comparable to public health measures.
 
It's kinda funny reading all the EU bootlicking from people who think this reversal was due to the actions of the EU. No government works that fast. None. EVER. Not even their EU "idols". I'd feel pretty safe in saying the EU didn't have jack **** to do with this reversal.
See Thierry Breton’s (EU Commission) statement (from the Verge):

Under the DMA, there is no room for threats by gatekeepers to silence developers. I have asked our services to look into Apple’s termination of Epic’s developer account as a matter of priority. To all developers now is the time to have your say on gatekeepers’ compliance solutions!

The European Commission is taking credit for the reinstatement of Epic’s developer license. In a post on X, Commissioner Thierry Breton says he takes “note with satisfaction that following our contacts Apple decided to backtrack its decision on Epic exclusion.”
 
What he is not saying is that the EU now knows Epic has given assurances over their compliance with their agreement with Apple, and any violation will result in final termination.
Exactly. And if I'm thinking of this correctly, since the EU knows about those assurances...it puts the EU in a tough spot if Epic decides to screw around again. It would be very difficult for them to justify taking Epic's side in that instance without painting THEMSELVES in a bad light as well.

I don't think this is a win for Epic or the EU. I think it might end up being a win for Apple, because this basically just painted Epic and the EU into a corner if Epic blows it (as they have a history of doing).
 
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So I can just use Targets infrastructure and millions of customer and not have to pay them a single penny? I also plan on using their water, electricity, employees as well.
Sideloading an app on an iPhone doesn’t use any of Apple’s resources. Neither does creating an app have to use any of Apple’s resources, other than under duress from Apple.
 
Literally not even 24 hours later they reverted and people will say it was not because of the EU Commission :)
Because everyone (except you, apparently) knows enough about government processes to know that the government didn't start a probe, finish it, analyze and discuss their findings, and then make a decision in less than 24 hours. :rolleyes:
 
I'm dumbfounded by this take. Apple is IN CONTROL and closed the door on consumers getting something they wanted... No matter what you think of Epic, comparatively, Apple is the bigger jerk.
Epic does the same exact thing. Makes games exclusive to their store and block them from going to the most popular platform, Steam, they take a percentage from each sale, etc. Just because Epic takes a smaller piece of the pie doesn't automatically make them the saints they claim to be, nor does it mean they can dictate how another company runs their platform. Epic operates the Epic Game Store at a loss. It's not profitable. Not every company wants to make bad financial decisions like that.
 
Sideloading an app on an iPhone doesn’t use any of Apple’s resources. Neither does creating an app have to use any of Apple’s resources, other than under duress from Apple.

People will argue that the SDKs and tooling are Apple's resources, which, reasonably, they are. However, I think Apple has already largely blown it when it comes to charging for the SDK and tooling because the categories of apps that have to pay (ostensibly for SDK access) vs which get free access to everything is an incoherent mess.
 
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Because everyone (except you, apparently) knows enough about government processes to know that the government didn't start a probe, finish it, analyze and discuss their findings, and then make a decision in less than 24 hours. :rolleyes:
No he simply tweeted that he instruced his people to launch the probe which was more than enough to get apple to revert, as i said.. the mere mention of investigations under DMA will make Apple and any other company revert back you just watch :)
 
I have question about Epic.
in their game store, are all the games developed by Epic ?
do they get games developed by some one else ?
if i want to publish a game in Epic game store do they take a cut ?
can just ask Epic to add my game to their store for free ?
 
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Because everyone (except you, apparently) knows enough about government processes to know that the government didn't start a probe, finish it, analyze and discuss their findings, and then make a decision in less than 24 hours. :rolleyes:
A phone call between Brussels and Cupertino was apparently sufficient. And a conversation between Apple's management and their legal departement (or legal represenation).
 
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Epic does the same exact thing. Makes games exclusive to their store and block them from going to the most popular platform, Steam, they take a percentage from each sale, etc. Just because Epic takes a smaller piece of the pie doesn't automatically make them the saints they claim to be, nor does it mean they can dictate how another company runs their platform. Epic operates the Epic Game Store at a loss. It's not profitable. Not every company wants to make bad financial decisions like that.
Hopefully someone takes them to court on this in the EU as unethical and anticompetitive.
 
The purpose of an alternative store is so you don't have to go to Apple (or in your example Target) and get their approval to sell your products. You can set up your own shop away from Apple (or Target in your case) by using your own resources and not Apple's (or Target's in your case).

The way this so-called alternative app store works now is like having to ask Target for permission to start your own mom & pop business selling items that would compete with Target. And if you have anything negative to say about Target, Target can terminate your business license whenever they feel like it.
Problem with your counter argument is that you are still using Apple’s resources to develop your app. So in the target analogy let’s say you are selling soap. Target has created the tools and resources for you to make the soap, sell the soap, and get paid for the soap. But charges you a fee to do all that. But now you want to take all of targets resources and continue to make the soap, but you don’t want to pay target for any of it. For your counter claim to work, you’d have to creat your own soap using your own resources taking all of target out of the equation.
 
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