Become a MacRumors Supporter for $50/year with no ads, ability to filter front page stories, and private forums.
The Apple Genius said this was probably due to keeping it plugged in all the time.
I got the exact same response but with the explanation that you should discharge (partially) your battery regularly. You have to exercise the battery.
The problem is not having the battery constantly inside the laptop, the problem is not using it (ie, discharging).
 
I got the exact same response but with the explanation that you should discharge (partially) your battery regularly. You have to exercise the battery.
The problem is not having the battery constantly inside the laptop, the problem is not using it (ie, discharging).

Yeah, I'm aware of that. I did this about every 2 or 3 weeks or so. Which was maybe not quite frequent enough, but I would guess not so infrequent that is should have caused the battery to die that quickly.
 
Why the hell don't they get rid of that cheap looking silver look. Every cheapo korea dvd player now has that. SO ugly.

You do realize the cheapo stuff is silver-painted plastic and MacBooks are real aluminum and glass, right? There's a world of difference.

What would you prefer? Black plastic? White plastic?

***

Pros on deadline have access to power if they are working for longer than the life of one battery. You're not standing out in the middle of the sports field showing your client your pictures for 8 hours.

Personally, I would trade removable for 8 (or more realistically, 7) hours of battery life, that lasted 1000 cycles (the real issue), on the 15" in a heartbeat.
 
13 inch Macbook = 0.95 inch thick
15 inch Macbook Pro = 0.95 inch thick
17 inch Macbook Pro = 0.98 inch thick

In other words... The 15 inch Macbook Pro is thinner then the 17 inch.

Im so grad i didn't purchased the 17 inch because of:

- No-removable battery
- No-removable HDD
- 0.03 inch thicker
- Less mobile
- Heavy
 
13 inch Macbook = 0.95 inch thick
15 inch Macbook Pro = 0.95 inch thick
17 inch Macbook Pro = 0.98 inch thick

In other words... The 15 inch Macbook Pro is thinner then the 17 inch.

Im so grad i didn't purchased the 17 inch because of:

- No-removable battery
- No-removable HDD
- 0.03 inch thicker
- Less mobile
- Heavy

Are you sure the hard drive can't be removed?
 
This 17" is a very nice machine that a reasonable person can not dismiss. I'd be buying one today if it wasn't for the fact that my MBP is only about 8 months old now. The only thing that would be possibly questionable is the question of lugging around a machine that big anyways.

Dave

I know what you mean about lugging it around, but it only weighs 500g (1.1 pounds) more than the 15" MBP.

Do you have the 15" MBP now? I've been wanting to buy the 15" for about a month now and thought I'd wait until the Macworld expo. But I really like the 17"!
 
1: Non-removable is not the same as non-replaceable. The new 17" MBP battery can be removed,. It just takes removing 4 screws on the base of the computer to access the battery. The battery is not soldered in, so removing it to exchange it with a new battery is not difficult even for the mechanically challenged.

The only problem would be for those who carry an extra battery in order to get longer life during a trip. In the tradition of "the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few", this very small minority is being accommodated by the newer, longer-lasting battery.

2: Using your MBP on AC power with the battery removed is not a good idea and Apple recommends against doing so.

3: No one has said that you can't upgrade the hard drive or RAM yourself. Again, all it takes is removing the same 4 screws in the base plate of the MBP. If you have ever upgraded the memory on the new unibody MB, you know that you also have to remove the screws in the baseplate. The owners manual in the box shows you how to do this. So PLEASE learn about this before making ignorant comments about having to buy your memory upgrade from Apple at the time of purchase.

4: Those who think the new 17" MBP prices are too much, look at the model it replaces. Then keep in mind that the new one has better construction, a faster processor, more RAM, the high-res display option, longer battery life, two GPUs, etc.

5: For those disappointed by the lack of new hardware, Apple will be doing another hardware event in February. Here they will introduce the Mac mini replacement and the upgraded iMacs. These were not introduced at MWSF so as to not steal away from the thunder of Apple's own event. Introducing the 17" MBP at MWSF was a small (and already expected) token to the attendees of that show. From now on, all new product introductions will be own Apple's on schedule and not the mandatory first week in January.

6: BD will not be coming to the Mac lineup any time soon, because it conflicts with Apple's business model for iTunes.

7: The anti-glare option is indeed the same as the "matte" option in prior models. It costs more simply because it is a build to order (BTO) option which costs Apple more from a business logistics point of view.

8: Those who predict that Apple is crazy with its pricing or is unaware of the current world economy should take a look at the top selling computers as ranked by Amazon. 6 of the top 25 best selling notebook computers are Macbooks and Macbook Pros. Except for the Toshiba L305, all other models are sub-$500 netbooks. This means that no other notebook computers in the "over $500" category (except for the L305) sell better than Apple's offerings.

Far out! sanity, common sense, reason, and understanding! You clearly don't belong here.
 
WTF are you talking about??? Why are people always posting about things they don't know or understand???

Compare:

Dell 17" Precision "pro" laptop. Configured as close to the Macbook pro as posible:


Intel® Core™ 2 Duo T9400 (2.53GHz, 6M L2 Cache, 1067MHZ) Dual Core
Windows Vista® Business SP1, With media
17" UltraSharp™ WUXGA (1920x1200) LCD Display
Integrated 2.0 MP webcam with dual digital array microphone
4.0GB, DDR3-1066MHz SDRAM, 2 DIMMS
320GB Hard Drive, 7200RPM with Free Fall Sensor
8X DVD+/-RW Slot Load
NVIDIA Quadro FX 2700M, 512MB Discrete

Price::::: $3,955*!!!!!!!

That's right, an equally configured Dell pro laptop cost MORE than ONE THOUSAND US DOLLARS THAN THE 17" MACBOOK PRO.

Try the same thing with the Mac Pro and the Dell Xeon Workstations with EXACT SAME SPECS, the Mac Pro is close to $2,000 cheaper than the exact same Dell.

The $17" MacBook pro is incredible cheap! :-D

You sir, have just earned the Epic Fail Stamp, congratulations.

Next time try comparing 2 systems with ACTUAL similar specs. As is, the new 17" is very expansive. If you really think it is very cheap, you have way too much money and would probably buy it just to show off and never actually use any of the features. This is very good Computer Bling Bling though.

As per others replies, yeah i too am worried where apple is heading, It seems design has really taken over and features/spec are second grade. Its the best designed laptop on the market but for its price the features just plain suck.
 
How can you possibly deduce this in a city of over 2 million? Unless you're sampling something incredible insignificant like 10 people or so.

I didn't even know you could tell what computer someone uses by looking at them.

I never said I LOOK at a person and KNOW that machine they're using silly. With just over 2 million users many of which take the subway, congregate at many a Starbucks/SecondCup coffee shops or loiter after working out at the ExtremeFitness gyms (1 membership allows for using many of the locations around the city) you tend to see many of those ppl over the course of a few years. Don't assume I meant just in a day or just read ppl's minds and knew what machine they're using.

You're telling me that you couldn't find a Mac user at your local Starbucks coffee shop (from 8-10AM, 12-1PM, or 4-6PM) ?! Especially after Apple popularized it in so many of their own commercials and joint deal with iTunes/iPod and Starbucks playlist?

Taking the subway and you get to see MANY a PC user on the way to/from work as well as many more Mac users of lately due to increased sales. Take the subway in Toronto, the Bus, hang out working on your own laptop at a few of the cities largest lounge spots (Coffee shops, book stores like Indigo - previously Chapters, large gyms with lounge areas, universities) over the course of at least 2 years and you'll see many people. And I'll bet you want be so harsh on my view.

Sad.
This must be the most worthless, inane contribution I've ever seen on this site.
Really? And those other users worrying, complaining, commenting on Steve's health based on the very opposite of what I posted of Phils stature any LESS worthless or inane? How many posts could any of us find on Steve's thinness in less than 5mins? Please don't point such a harsh finger. Look around this thread previously to 3 days ago and see if your post should hold as much worth as it did to mine?!
 
MATTE! FTW!

Ok, now that I've got that out of my system,
I really like this 17"er. Is it revolutionary? Not really. Evolutionary? Yes.

But what it does is make the 15" look... sub-par.
The 15" has no matte option. (Hopefully when they realize that every 17" they sell is matte, they'll bring it to the 15".)
The 15" is still stuck at 1440x900. Come on! IBM's even come standard at that size with ????x1050 now. (Sorry, I cant remember the horizontal ATM.)

And what's with the Cinema Displays? With the Mac Pro, you're stuck at 20 or all the way up to 30. And these laptops... you're stuck at a glossy 24.

It just seems... incomplete. Pre Unibody, all the displays were compatible with both the Mac Pro and the Macbook Pro. Now... it's much more unnecessarily complicated.
 
So anti glare = matte or something better? Weird that the charge is $50 more if it is just a matte screen.

Not a big fan of the iMac look either - preferred the all silver style casing. Re: the battery - not a bad thing if it substantially reduces the weight or size but what happens if your Mac crashes and the only way of shutting it down is to remove the battery.....
 
If the battery is 'removable' (i.e by opening the case and removing some screws); wouldn't that invalidate the warranty? If so, that's hardly an option.

I'm another who uses a MBP as a desktop replacement, and so rarely use it on battery power. As a result, even though Profiler says it has 102 cycles and its condition is 'good', my battery life is about 5 minutes (not a typo), then it'll shut down without warning. I'm on my second battery, and out of warranty.

Obviously I'm not doing adequate TLC for the battery! Given how critical this is for the battery condition, surely Apple could build (optional) reminders into the OS to let you know when, optimally, the battery should be fully drained & recharged.
 
The only real advantage, when talking about power, compared to the 15" seems the 8GB RAM to me. But that's 1,200$ more than the normal price. I think it's just too much. I think I can perfectly leave with 4GB of RAM. Apart from that, the 2.93GHz CPU is not much different from the 2.8GHz one.
 
Physical media will be dead very soon. Thus it doesn't surprise me that Apple hasn't yet included Blue Ray drives in their systems. Who knows, they may never do it.

Are you off your trolly? Physical media will not be 'dead very soon'. Not everyone has an Internet connection let alone broadband! (And there are no projections that indicate this is going to change anytime soon.)

The only reason Apple haven't included BR is because they know movie buffs would rather buy a 1080p BR movie than download a crappy 720p one. That is their real 'bag of hurt'.

As far a I am concerned it is greed, and the reason I am so annoyed at them - they screw their customers for every last drop of penny that they can possibly get out of them. And it's beginning to p me off.

£20 for a miniDP to dvi connector? A small plastic adpater that probably cost them about £2 to manufacture!!! WTF!?
£60 for a dual-dvi one!!!!???

It's p poor, it really is - and I'm not one who's gonna lap it up and be some apologetic mac fanboy.

I appreciate good design yes, I appreciate features and software worthy of appreciation. I don't appreciate being taking for a ride or treated like a child where it is dictated to me the features I have to have or have to live without. That's why I won't be buying this one (despite hoping the next MBP would have a BR player in there - yet let's not forget the stupid non-removal battery they decided to add!).

/rant
 
- No-removable battery
- No-removable HDD
- 0.03 inch thicker
- Less mobile
- Heavy

17" MBP looks perfect! but do we really need such big screens for portable? netbook is the latest fashion here. MacBook Nano?

:cool::cool::cool:

I guess the weaklings of the forum would have to chime in once more. :rolleyes:

I am glad that I can actually lift 6 pounds and use it to do actual work. What did the Onion say..... ? Oh, instead of just d!cking around.

Heavy? HA! :D

I was hoping for a heavier laptop with a read processor and workstation class GFX and two HDD as an option.

Far out! sanity, common sense, reason, and understanding! You clearly don't belong here.

Far out indeed.... far out in left field.

He does belong here because he is justifying Apple's shortcomings.

I guess no one really understand the words: "Quad core mobile processors" or " have been available for month"
 
I spoke to an Apple Rep today on the online store, I asked if I could change the ram at a later date and (Kellie) told me that it's advised you take your laptop into an Apple store to have it done. I then asked if I could buy my ram from another source and I was told that this would be fine as long as it's compatible.

Food for thought
 
Good on you mate. With that attitude, you might just save the UK economy! ;)

Not really, for every European coming over to get a 17" MBP, 100 poms go over to spain and invest in Alcohol....

But a little is better then nothing..
 
No removable battery means that the new 17" MacBook Pro is a desktop computer, not a notebook (despite the technicality that it happens to have a clamshell design). However, based on my own experience with my 17" PowerBook G4 over the last four years, that's just about spot-on.

If you get a 17" laptop, it's not because you're going to take it off your desk more than once every month or two, it's because you want a desktop-class machine that you can take somewhere else if you have to. Whether 6.6 pounds is feather-light to you or not, it's just plain not convenient.

Again in my experience, the battery in my circa-December 2004 PB now has 266 load cycles to its name. However, whether by its aging process or by my cavalier attitude towards "taking care" of it, it now has TWENTY-EIGHT PERCENT of its original capacity left. This is after four years of mostly sitting on a desk while plugged in. It lasts one hour or less unplugged. If the new battery lasts 5 years, I can tell you it won't be keeping that lovely 8-hour figure the whole time.

As for the rest of it, aside from the lack of other hardware announcements (for which there's plenty of time left in the year), I actually liked it. Aside from the fact that they charge $50 for it, the option to keep a matte (read: visible) display on the 17" MBP is welcome, and I can understand why it might cost more for them to make two physically different hardware configurations available. I initially thought iPhoto's new Faces/Places features were sh*tty excuses for not giving tagging a proper treatment...until I saw the face recognition and geotagging features that comprised them. The updates to iWork are small, but nonetheless welcome. Doubt I'll pay $80 for them, but whatever. I would've liked to see another app added to the suite to flesh it out and make it more competitive with "real" office suites.
 
seems the 17" shows the future direction for apple notebooks.

-they continue to be slim
-they will have non removable batteries
-i hope non glare option will be on all notebooks
-firewire will be there but in general not many ports

with external batteries available i don't mind the nonremovable battery and if the non glare option is good then i'm quite happy.

i hope FW800 (or USB3 or something similar), non glare screen and a 8hr battery will be eventually in a MB. then i'll buy one.
 
Whether 6.6 pounds is feather-light to you or not, it's just plain not convenient.

I am glad that you at least stated that this is an opinion.

I find carrying my 17" very comfortable. Much like carrying my 15" except I get more done with a full clocked CPU and GPU and proper cooling. The 15" just wasn't as much of a performer as many said it was. I regretted not getting the 17" the first time. It would have saved me some money and wasted time.
 
Register on MacRumors! This sidebar will go away, and you'll see fewer ads.