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Great computer- FINALLY anti-glare screen, 8GB of RAM (at least we know apple is willing to ramp up the ram to 8), LONG LASTING BATTERY!!

BUT TOO EXPENSIVE

[Standard configuration A$ 4,499.00 = WTF?!]

with the aussie dollar down, i highly doubt i will even buy this laptop, might just stick with the 15" for now....

seriously with the economic downturn... it all comes down to price

not only that WHERE's the QUAD CORE?! I can somewhat understand apple's reluctance to in-build Blu-Ray, considering there still a brand new format when being compared to DVDs and CD ranges. BUT seriously NO QUAD CORE!
I need quad core for 3d modelling and a duo doesnt quite cut it
 
Quick question guys, do they already have this at Apple stores on demo (as they had the new displays before they went on sale)?

I just wanna see this in person but I don't wanna go to an Apple store just to find out its still not there.
 
I know a few people who use laptops, they take out the battery and use the power cord to power the laptop- Saves the charges.

They then place the battery in the laptop when they are on the go...... Apple has made this imposable to do now, but it may work..... I wonder how

Err...um, you do know that if you plug the power cord into a Macbook (of any type) that it will NOT use the internal battery but automatically power off AC (and only charge it if it's below full charge) right? This is pretty obvious if you ever look at the battery indicator on the menu bar of a MBP. The same applies to things like the iPod Touch as well. I use my iPod Touch primarily as a remote for my whole house audio system and most of the time it's plugged into an AC adapter sitting on the coffee table next to my easy chair so it doesn't drain the battery when I'm simply sitting there changing songs or browsing my e-mail from that chair. There's no need to remove the battery to avoid using the battery.... ;)

In fact, the ONLY time you should ever remove it is if you're changing it out with another battery because it's dead and you need battery power immediately.

Overall, Macworld was a disaster, IMO. Clearly, Apple doesn't want to try and time their product releases with a show anymore even if that show occurs in a totally predictable manner and even if the public enjoys going to shows and being wowed by them, not by some press conference in Cupertino....

The non-replaceable battery is stupid, period. The whole point of a laptop is portability and once your battery dies in this thing and there's no power outlet nearby, you're dead in the water whereas I can just swap out a battery with my MBP 15". A couple of extra hours won't make up for a dead battery. Besides, those times are BS. How long is the MBP 15" battery supposed to last? 5 hours? Well, it lasted about 2 hours after I booted into Windows and back to OS X a couple of times and even though it said I had 1.5 hours left when I shut down, it changed to 30 minutes after I plugged two firewire drives in and proceeded to transfer a few files. The battery died during the transfer which could not complete and silly me I forgot to bring the charger with me. An extra battery comes in pretty handy in those cases.

A couple of boring software updates only served to remind you that PPC is now a poor step-child and Leopard is slowly being forced on existing users (Hurry! Buy our combo package now and upgrade to Snow Leopard in a few short weeks for only $129!) Despite mad rumors, there's no Mac-Mini update. How many years out of date is that thing now? I bet when they do finally update it and IF it has FW800 and the latest Nvidia chipset that it WILL cost a LOT more money. Apple makes a lot of Macbook sales to those that primarily want a DESKTOP but consider an iMac downright silly seeing it's basically a laptop with a giant full size monitor dongle attached to it and we all know a Macbook costs a LOT more than a Mac Mini. They'd be cannibalizing their own sales and that just doesn't happen with Apple very often which is why it's been allowed to waste away into an overpriced joke.

Schiller? Bring back Woz! Oh wait. He'd start choosing functionality over THIN. We can't have that. If Steve is going to waste away, so are the Macs! Introducing the Mac THIN. It slowly gets thinner over time until it's simply not there anymore and then you know it's time to buy another one!
 
I think you missed the whole point about having an intelligent charging system that detects how much each individual cell needs to be recharged and then stops charging it when it is full. There is no reason to take the battery out since it doesn't keep trying to charge a full battery. Even with current MBs I would guess this is the same with the only difference that it now happens on a cell by cell basis instead of the whole battery.

With a current MBP I've found in practice that keeping the battery in dramatically reduces battery life. I had a new battery last March, which was down to about 20% capacity by November. The Apple Genius said this was probably due to keeping it plugged in all the time. My machine runs very hot most of the time, and perhaps this is why it can increase battery life by removing the battery during sustained desktop use: you can keep it cooler.

Someone just mentioned that doing this makes your computer slower though... I'd never heard of that... is it really true?
 
Err...um, you do know that if you plug the power cord into a Macbook (of any type) that it will NOT use the internal battery but automatically power off AC (and only charge it if it's below full charge) right? This is pretty obvious if you ever look at the battery indicator on the menu bar of a MBP. The same applies to things like the iPod Touch as well. I use my iPod Touch primarily as a remote for my whole house audio system and most of the time it's plugged into an AC adapter sitting on the coffee table next to my easy chair so it doesn't drain the battery when I'm simply sitting there changing songs or browsing my e-mail from that chair. There's no need to remove the battery to avoid using the battery.... ;)

In fact, the ONLY time you should ever remove it is if you're changing it out with another battery because it's dead and you need battery power immediately.

Not to mention that atleast in the latest revision of the MacBook/Pros - and quite possibly earlier ones too - removing the battery actually decreases performance by almost half. So in reality the people who remove the battery are just screwing themselves multiple times over.

And anyways the whole argument of taking the battery out to not use it etc... Come on, seriously? Its not as if you're planning to use the same MacBook and battery for the next 15 years. Chances are 3-4 years and you'll upgrade to the latest and greatest anyways. And even if you don't, a new battery isn't that expensive so changing it once every 3 years is a non issue.

I have had my MBP for about 18 month now and still are using the battery that came w/ it -- 284 cycles, 85% health - Chances are within 6-8 month I'll upgrade when I can get a quad core etc. By that time the battery will be at like 80% health - so I'm loosing what, 30 mins of battery life tops in 2 years? boo hoo hoo
 
Aw

what a boring macworld 2009 there should of been an Imac,mac mini something interesting!!!!!!

In australia the macbook pro costs $5000 to expensive!

does any one know if theres going to be another announcment or upgrades?
 
With a current MBP I've found in practice that keeping the battery in dramatically reduces battery life. I had a new battery last March, which was down to about 20% capacity by November. The Apple Genius said this was probably due to keeping it plugged in all the time. My machine runs very hot most of the time, and perhaps this is why it can increase battery life by removing the battery during sustained desktop use: you can keep it cooler.

Someone just mentioned that doing this makes your computer slower though... I'd never heard of that... is it really true?

Then thats just a bad battery (unless your machine is at 100+ C at all times, but I doubt that)

No way in hell, however you use it, the battery would be at 20% in so little of time. Doesn't matter plugged in or not. Obviously that genius didn't know what the hell he as talking about. They should give you a free replacement.
 
Then thats just a bad battery (unless your machine is at 100+ C at all times, but I doubt that)

No way in hell, however you use it, the battery would be at 20% in so little of time. Doesn't matter plugged in or not. Obviously that genius didn't know what the hell he as talking about. They should give you a free replacement.

They did give me a free replacement (again). It's happened once before, to the previous battery. I thought it might be something to do with the energy management/charging element in the notebook, but Apple said this checked out fine.
 
They did give me a free replacement (again). It's happened once before, to the previous battery. I thought it might be something to do with the energy management/charging element in the notebook, but Apple said this checked out fine.

Just out of curiosity, how much cycles did you have on those batteries?

I mean their health going down because of not being used can also be a reason but for them to die that fast, you have to either be boiling them, or you need to have thousands of cycles on them (which I doubt you could do unless you're charging it up and killing it 3x a day :confused:
 
One simple calculation :)

Old macbook pro with 1 battery = 5 hours
New macbook pro with integrated battery = 8 hours
Old macbook pro with 2 batteries = 10 hours
Old macbook pro with 3 batteries = 15 hours

One battery for a 17inch macbook pro cost $129,-
http://store.apple.com/us/product/MA458LL/A?mco=MTIxODk3Mw

If you pay only $129,- more on the old macbook 17inch you already have more freedom against the new macbook 17inch

For $260,- you can do twice as much work done at places where there is no power or on times when you don't want to connect a cable against the new macbook pro 17 inch

So again apple did not think this thru at all :(
If people are gonna buy this crap they really need to go and see a doctor or maybe they can buy the macbook wheel when it comes out http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=faEbTXXCJro&fmt=18
 
One simple calculation :)

Old macbook pro with 1 battery = 5 hours
New macbook pro with integrated battery = 8 hours
Old macbook pro with 2 batteries = 10 hours
Old macbook pro with 3 batteries = 15 hours

One battery for a 17inch macbook pro cost $129,-
http://store.apple.com/us/product/MA458LL/A?mco=MTIxODk3Mw

If you pay only $129,- more on the old macbook 17inch you already have more freedom against the new macbook 17inch

For $160,- you can do twice as much work done at places where there is no power or on times when you don't want to connect a cable against the new macbook pro 17 inch

So again apple did not think this thru at all :(
If people are gonna buy this crap they really need to go and see a doctor or maybe they can buy the macbook wheel when it comes out http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=faEbTXXCJro&fmt=18

Except that I for one can't be bothered carrying around a dozen extra batteries with me since I'm never away from a source of power for more then 4-5 hours, and if I can get like 5-6 w/ the new MBP that'll be good enough honestly - considering that now I get like 2 hours....

So when you say "If people are gonna buy this crap..." all you're doing is you're implying that everyone shares your opinion whereas in reality, obviously most people don't, and Apple's sales figures can back that up. I'm sure they already received tens, if not hundreds of thousands of pre-orders for the new 17" - most from people who never even saw it in person.
 
Ugly

Ugly, Ugly, Ugly, Ugly, Did I say Ugly?
Just threw up all over my new shoes :eek:

Sort it out these things look like crap...
:apple: = New M$

And the iphone is a bit poo now too...
 
Except that I for one can't be bothered carrying around a dozen extra batteries with me since I'm never away from a source of power for more then 4-5 hours, and if I can get like 5-6 w/ the new MBP that'll be good enough honestly - considering that now I get like 2 hours....

So when you say "If people are gonna buy this crap..." all you're doing is you're implying that everyone shares your opinion whereas in reality, obviously most people don't, and Apple's sales figures can back that up. I'm sure they already received tens, if not hundreds of thousands of pre-orders for the new 17" - most from people who never even saw it in person.

Ok maybe I'm being to harsh sorry about that

But this is suppose to be the baddest laptop available... or what the hell is Pro standing for these days?

And I'm not even talking about what problems you gonna get when the battery goes dead on people when they are working on a project with a tight deadline

So you tell me where apple is selling these laptops to cause I don't think any real pro user can afford having these risks
 
Ok maybe I'm being to harsh sorry about that

But this is suppose to be the baddest laptop available... or what the hell is Pro standing for these days?

And I'm not even talking about what problems you gonna get when the battery goes dead on people when they are working on a project with a tight deadline

So you tell me where apple is selling these laptops to cause I don't think any real pro user can afford having these risks

I would imagine the "professional" in question wouldn't be working in the middle of the desert on a time sensitive project in the first place :p
 
Time to see the doctor!

Well, there are three problems with this "fact":
  1. DVD is 480/576p, not 720p. Even a 39 cm screen with 1440x900 pixels provides twice as many pixels for 16:9 videos.
  2. The viewing distance is typically less than 3 m with computer displays, especially with those built into notebooks.
  3. The pixels are obviously discernible during "computer" use.

The way I look at it is that if you can't see the difference at laptop distances you should think seriously about getting new glasses or otherwise have your eyes looked at.

Also much of what is seen on the AVS forums is marketing speak. They push the lower resolution screens because they make more money not because they are technically equal. All one needs to do is to walk into any store with 720P and 1080P sets side by side, the difference is obvious and admittedly the impact varies with content but noticeable none the less.

It is perplexing anyways to reference what is discernible by the human eye in these posts. First; no two eyes are the same even when lodged in the same head. Second; just because you can't resolve something doesn't mean that the pixel (in this case) doesn't add useful information to the scene. Third; if people can see the differences in resolution on a computer screen then why does that resolution become un-discernible when seen on a TV.

Obviously the human brian has limits when viewing fast changing scenes. It happens in real life to. The problem is not all TV content is so made, not all of the media world consists of action and adventure films.




Dave
 
All one needs to do is to walk into any store with 720P and 1080P sets side by side, the difference is obvious and admittedly the impact varies with content but noticeable none the less.

Its only "obvious" if the store in question actually has a good quality 1080p source. But sadly enough thats not the case most of the time. Most of the time it seems that the store just gets some cheap dvd player, pops in a standard def DVD, then just spits the signal across 20 TVs and calls it done. Oh and also they bump up the saturation to hell on the more expensive models to make them "pop" more - so I'd say you'd be foolish to make any comparisons of anything based on what you see in a store as ironic as that may be.
 
Looks like a really cool machine. The battery wouldn't bother me; I've never had to swap mine out before, and the extra life here would be greatly appreciated.

Had hoped for something more exciting from the Keynote, but I guess it was to be expected. Best part was when Tony Bennett came out. Now that was a real welcome surprise! :):D
 
I don't really see anything to complain about here, but since we have to have something here at MR, let's go with the cost. :rolleyes:

No, seriously, I think this looks like one of the best laptops apple has ever made. I'm curious to see if the GPU is clocked higher than on the 15", as has been the case in the past.

Wouldn't every laptop Apple ever releases be the best they have ever made? It seems unlikely that they would release a laptop that was worse than a previous model.
 
Why the hell don't they get rid of that cheap looking silver look. Every cheapo korea dvd player now has that. SO ugly.
Anyway: I wonder why they don't offer a matte option on the 15" - maybe there was no real demand on the old one so the skipped it?
 
you have come to see what the real problem is. It is the false requirement that Apple has put on its laptops that says that form rules over function.

Yes, well said.

I'm all for form over function, provided that the functional requirements are met... ;)

Like a few other people mentioned- who is actually going to buy one of these? I can't see any 'pro' using this laptop. Only rich design poseurs who want to be seen in the cafe with the 'worlds thinnest and lightest 17" '... yawn :eek:

When the unibody design was released, I was really impressed. That was the sort of innovation that Apple is renowned for and it was really well received. Yet this latest battery design failed to impress me at all really. Increasing a batteries physical size will consequently increase the power capacity of it... it's not rocket science, even with a few fancy electronics controlling them. It's still Li-Ion technology.
 
While likely not for me, this new lappie isn't half bad.

Totally agree with you there.

Very disappointed with this release. There were so many ways that apple could have created an uber laptop, but instead all they have done is created an underpowered 17" MB Air. Let's be honest- this 17" is hardly more powerful than the existing 15".
Have you seen the internal pics? This is one nicely put together machine and should do wonders for Apples quality reputation.

As to being a powerful machine that also implies power as in watts. The whole point of this release is that it enables Apples marketing program with respect to the long battery life selling point. The battery gives Apple something to point to without the me to taste one gets with marketing Intel CPU's in the machine.
It seems Apple has solved a battery problem that didn't really exist. Sure, 17" battery life has never been great, but that is because they are designed to be desktop replacements.
That is a self serving view point. You make an assumption that everybody uses such machines as desktop replacements. They don't and some people can certainly use the battery life. Personally I do see the internal nature of the battery as a problem of sorts, but it is no where near as bad as some assume.
This laptop should have had desktop class power, and by that i mean:
That is your view but many would consider this machine to be one excellent example of a well put together laptop.
-Quadcore CPU (can't believe this isn't even an option...)
This certainly would be nice but think about it, if they put a quad core in it right now they couldn't advertise the 8 hour battery life. I expect a quad core in a few months, carefully advertised so that people will realize the power means less battery life.
-eSATA (because you'll be needing more space when you fill that meager 320GB drive haha)
This would be incredibly stupid as eSATA has no business being on a laptop. The connector isn't rugged enough for that sort of service. Second; it is a single function port on a machine with constrained I/O space. The last thing I'd want to see built into a laptop is a port that only supports one type of use. At least with USB and FireWire your can connect an abundant number of devices.

You are right about one thing 320GB isn't much. That is why I'd like to see Apple offer and adapter for the CD drive bay to allow another internal "disk". As to going beyond 320Gb they should do that as soon as field reports pinpoint a reliable drive.
-calibrated LCD for Adobe (what happened here eh?)
We don't want to add even more expense to the machine.
-Dual HDD - even better, 1 SSD, one large Magnetic HDD
As noted above this may be doable in the CD drive slot.
-a DECENT GPU, not a generic gaming card. Give us a proper Quadro/FireGL
This is a large laptop not a transportable wanna be.
-Remove that ridiculous battery, and you might have some room to fit some decent components...
Not really as the video cards you describe above would be a cooling nightmare.

The big battery isn't that much of a problem either. I mean really just what do you intend to put in the free space?
Who cares about thinness? Seriously?! :cool:

It is not that thinness is cool or anything, rather for a given screen size it is the only variable the designer has a lot of control over. Given that Apple wants to sell a reasonably light 17" laptop keeping the unit thin is the only practical way to manage that weight.

In any event if you really want to lug around all that computing power there are transportable on the market. Buy one and knock yourself out.

Dave


PS

This 17" is a very nice machine that a reasonable person can not dismiss. I'd be buying one today if it wasn't for the fact that my MBP is only about 8 months old now. The only thing that would be possibly questionable is the question of lugging around a machine that big anyways.

Dave
 
Rarely post, but lurk frequently. I am what you called a professional, one of those folks this machine is presumably geared for. I use my macs every day, for all my work. I have had them for over 10 years, desktops and laptops.
Truth is, all I care about in a new 17" ( I am probably getting it since the one I have right now is getting older and slower) is reliability and the matte screen. I don't give a **** about thinness and battery, I want speed. Remember, most of us working professionals write this stuff off and make the money back the within the first month, even week. It's the same we paid 5-7 years ago for top of the line machine. So don't whine about the price, rather find a way to make the laptop work for you, not the opposite.
I hated Macworld for a different reason. No mini.:mad:
 
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