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Only 7 hours battery using the "real" GPU (which isn't Snow Leopard going to be using all the time?) and they are touting this as a breakthrough?

Geez, I can buy another battery for $99 and get 10 hours! Revolutionary! :rolleyes:

Not to mention HP's new Boston-Power batteries that seem to last longer still...

Oh yeah, I can buy 10 batteries for $1000 and get 100 hours.

Such a lame comparison.
 
I guess that Apple thinks its users aren't smart enough to follow a step by step take apart and use hand tools. :rolleyes:

That's funny, back in the day I bought a TiBook and an Airport card for it. You had to remove the bottom (lots of tiny torx screws) to install it.

The installation was simple and fully documented by Apple. Do they think people are dumber now than they were in 2002-2003?
 
Yawn

Things I do not care about:
Made out of 1 piece of metal;
Very long battery life (I use plugs).

Things I do care about:
Watching HD (BR) disks;
Multi (4+) core processing;
Being able to change a battery when it inevitably goes phut

Outcome:
Credit card stays in wallet.
 
As an AAPL long-holder, I thank god Apple is ignoring the uber-geek fringes.

I completely agree. I think these geeks should go buy something they like instead of wasting their time complaining about something they don't like.
 
The anti-glare option is welcome. It was clear to me that Apple made a mistake in not offering a matte option last time round.

I'm dubious about the fixed battery. I use my MBP plugged in 90% of the time. It is on fairly constantly, and that can harm the battery over time. So I take the battery out and just run on the mains. That wouldn't be an option with a fixed battery.

Taking the battery out may cause more harm then good. When it is removed it will self-discharge. If left in the barry charger will only charge it enough to keep it "topped off". it will actually see fewer charge cycles if left inside.
 
Physical media will be dead very soon. Thus it doesn't surprise me that Apple hasn't yet included Blue Ray drives in their systems. Who knows, they may never do it.

Apple know what they are doing, even though they did let us down today.

Blu-Ray still isn't the standard format yet, and although people like bluray, why can't you buy HD movies from the iTunes store. I never really saw the difference in HD and blu-ray.

Apple will do it, but just not yet. They don't feel that people are using it standard. And they are not wrong, but if they want a high end laptop, thats what there gonna have to offer

i do agree that physical media will get less unpopular, but not dissapear.

Because they have been dissaapointing today, means there might be a build up to some awesome products, like we were expecting at Macworld today.

Really suprised no info was made on snoleo... Not one word about it... I'm not sure about snow leopard.. I know it's about speed but the more i think about it, the duller it seems. My Mac is already pretty fast.

Oh well.. I'm getting a bit off topic now

-Sam
 
1000 FULL discharges and recharges. As in draining completely down and then charging it all the way back up.

To put it into perspective, I used my MBP for about 18 month now and I have 283 cycles on it.

My MB is 16 months old and the battery just died abruptly with ~460 cycles... my MBP is 18 months old and it's battery has ~360 cycles and the health is still good... it gets ~2.5-3 hours per charge.

Not sure why the MB has so many more cycles, my use of each I thought was roughly the same. I believe the predicted life for the MBP battery is ~300 cycles, so probably will get a bit more than 1000 cycles on the new one... say 1500, at my usage rate that would last about 6 years...
 
Blu-Ray in Snow Leopard

Watched this site for a year, and am done.
Will buy Dell, possibly Sony though that's unlikely.

Optical drives will disappear in the future, but not NOW. Blu-ray is NOW.
Upset about all the other stuff people mentioned too, but blu-less "new" Macbook pro is the dealbreaker for me and I'm tired of waiting. It's been a year and EVERYBODY else has it.

Just a guess, but I would not expect to see Blu-Ray until Snow Leopard, possibly not until the next hardware change after SL is released.
 
2. To the people complaining about lack of blu-ray, what do you need it for? Backups can be done with time machine, and do you really need to watch high definition films on a 17" screen? Wouldn't that just run the battery life down when you are out, and if you are at home would you not watch them on your tv instead?

If I own a movie on Blu-ray, and I want to go away for a weekend or whatnot, say to my parent's house where there is nothing to do in the middle of nowhere, I'd like to have a notebook capable of playing said movie.

As for backups, Time Machine is great, but if your house burns down and your notebook and Time Machine drive are both there.... I currently cycle out portable hard drives stored at my office for offsite backup of critical data, but being able to burn archival Blu-ray media would be a better option -- no need to spin up the drives every few months, no worries about my backup drive crashing.

If it were a matte screen, why wouldn't Apple have just called it a matte screen like they always have? Calling it an "anti glare coating" means we should not consider it a matte screen until we get actual first hand reports of people who've seen it with their own eyes.

Apple started calling the matte screen on the 17" MacBook Pro an "Antiglare Screen" as of this past October, right after the aluminum unibody MacBook & 15" MacBook Pro were introduced. Same screen that the old 17" always had, but now it was either "Glossy" or "Antiglare."
 
I really wasnt satisfied when the 15" came out...but the 17" is just blew me away. Apple has made a computer that I can really say "Wow...how could they do that." 8 Hour battery and 1000 cycles is amazing...no other laptop offers that. They havent changed the size or anything about the computer. I think Apple took a step forward with this and I would love to see them put this into the 15".
 
You know, you'd have a point if apple actually updated their products at other times of year.

There wouldn't be this huge backlash if apple hadn't kept most of their products out of date for months and months - this is the fault of apple, not of the public.

Define 'their products'.
They've had many releases and announcements over the past year.
Its Apple Corp, not Apple Computer now.
And the traditional 'computer' market is entering a big disruptive phases.
I personally don't need to buy a new laptop or desktop every few months like many apparently do. Wish I had that kind of money (or even need for the absolutely fastest processor.)
That said, if my focus was purely computers, I'd probably be disappointed too.
 
I completely agree. I think these geeks should go buy something they like instead of wasting their time complaining about something they don't like.

You are reading a website concerning apple rumors. you = geek.

(I am aware that by that same logic I = geek)
 
Where's the BluRay?

OK... I LOVE this setup and am seriously thinking of selling my 2.33GHz 17 incher for this one... But, I have to ask, "Where's the bloomin BluRay"? I know Apple isn't keen on the licensing, but they have to work something out. This is a fantastic setup, but a BD drive would have been the icing on the cake.
 
Blu-Ray still isn't the standard format yet, and although people like bluray, why can't you buy HD movies from the iTunes store. I never really saw the difference in HD and blu-ray.

That's because on anything less than a 50" screen there is no difference.
 
Apple (seemingly alone) seems to understand that for the general market, watching Blu-Ray on your laptop is a stupid idea.
1080p is simply indistinguishable from lower res (some would say as low as 480p) on a screen as small as even 17". Its pretty much useless on any monitor under 40" frankly.
Blu-Ray on a laptop is just ego stroking. Its also antithetical to the direction Apple is moving, which is streaming or downloaded media. Why in the world would they support what they consider to be the competition?

Finally, Blu-Ray belongs (if anywhere) in the living room as part of a home entertainment system, on a large screen.

Apple (really really try to get this) isn't shooting to satisfy the fringes... the 1 or 2 percent who are going to rent HD discs to watch on a lousy laptop.

As an AAPL long-holder, I thank god Apple is ignoring the uber-geek fringes.
Agreed. Blu-Ray is already losing the battle against downloads, way ahead of schedule. Some small budget movies can't afford the expense and risk of a BR disc, but you can get an HD download of that same film at iTunes. Obviously the BR is superior, but the consumer can barley tell.
And Apple was never about the geeks, it was about the musicians, artists and editors that kept this platform alive during the lean years while the geeks were busy building their Frankenstinian Radio Shack PC towers.
 
Bad.

I was bored to sleep by this MacWorld keynote.

The 17 MBP looks like a very nice computer to USE, and a worse computer to try to support, hardware-wise.

An hour of demoing iLife and iWork? snoooze. I am sure it is all fun and good, and what-not. But it is software. The place is FULL of software vendors that sell other software. APPLE is the only one who can present new APPLE HARDWARE!!!

No MacMini??!! It had better be coming out soon otherwise. THAT is what I have been waiting for.

I am pretty much sole support for more than 250 17" Apple laptops, and a similar, slightly higher number of 17" PC laptops, from Dell, to Gateway (don't even ask. :mad::mad::mad: ) and HP.

I have made my feelings known in the previous rumor thread about the built in Batteries, but I will re-iterate it here, because it bears repeating.

BAD IDEA. Battery performance NEVER meets the high marks that marketing-speak gives them, and some very mobile users can partially cycle a battery two or three times a day! And a significant partial cycle counts as a cycle, even if it isn't a full charge->discharge.

LiPo batteries are particular little beasties, too, and have to be treated just right, or they become lithium-napalm.

I am seeing several current 17" batteries per month that are swollen out of their shells. If not allowed to swell, the get hotter, and start fires.

Apple has had battery recalls before.

And no battery swapping for long duration without AC power, and lots of downtime to get the battery replaced before the end of the computer's useful life. 1000 days is ~3 years. A laptop like this, especially at this cost, should have 5 year useful lives, at LEAST. That means, even at best performance, at least one battery replacement.

Apple care does not consider a battery to be warrantable after 1 year, excepting some swollen batteries. That means that a battery replacement of a built-in battery is a non-warranty repair, but requires disassembly that voids warranty if not done by authorized personnel. STUPID, and time consuming.

IF the battery swells, it will actually DAMAGE THE STRUCTURE OF THE COMPUTER, and it internal components, and possibly become a very severe fire hazard!!!!

And what do have replaced in 17" laptops more than batteries or any other component...

HARD DRIVES. Hard drives fail more and more, as they get cheaper, and quality control becomes more lax, and physical damage wipes out more data, which is more densely packed. SSDs are not inexpensive enough to be economically attractive at this point, and 3-5 year durability is not yet widespread and well known, with NAND having limited numbers of read and write cycles, and having to have access spread across the volume of storage.

It is bad that I cannot replace a hard drive in a MBP17 as it is now, and this is a step in the wrong direction by encasing the battery and RAM as well.

When I buy 60 or more MBPs per year, I don't always want to pay Apple's HORRENDOUS markup on RAM. That adds up to a LOT of money. But now it isn't user serviceable. NOTHING is user or non-Apple-Authorized IT serviceable, and I don't work for Apple, I work for my employer and users.

As I said, for the end user, when the computer is working well, it seems like it will be a very nice computer to use.

But when stuff goes wrong, this is going to be even worse than it already has been.
 
I just need some proof for this one. A link a wiki page something.

In all my years working with computers and IT guys fixing my computers I have never heard of the computer needing the battery to run effectively even when plugged in and the AC adaptor not being able to supply enough juice.

I guess it could be accurate since there seems to be a draw from the batt when it's plugged in still, hence the reason to not keep it plugged in all the time.

I don't know, I just use them.

http://support.apple.com/kb/HT2332

This has been the case since the first Intel-powered 15" MacBook Pro debuted. Seriously have you been living under a rock? ;)
 
Apple (seemingly alone) seems to understand that for the general market, watching Blu-Ray on your laptop is a stupid idea.
Wrong. Apple is so greedy it's obvious. They only want you to download from iTunes. They can't control your money with Blu-Ray. That's the only reason. Apple apologists will cite the usual excuses such as the cost of Blu-Ray drives and the lack of battery power. Neither are true. Drives are cheap now and who says that you have to run on battery power to watch a Blu-Ray movie? You CAN plug in your laptop on airplanes you know... And with the 17" MBP's new battery, you should have plenty of juice even on battery power.

So why would one want Blu-Ray drives on their laptop? Maybe because they already own a collection of movies in Blu-Ray? Why should I have to buy different media to view it on my laptop? Duh. It's got nothing to do with watching a high res movie on a laptop. It's about having access to what you already own and is doable on other EXISTING computers. I EXPECT to be able to play CD's, DVD's and Blu-Rays on a high end $2K+ computer and do what I. That's not too much to ask for.

As for "fringe market" nonsense, why not make it available as a custom build like every other manufacturer? If you don't want it, fine. Nobody is forcing you to get it. But at least it would be available for those that do want it. Again, there's no reason Apple can't do this other than the fact that it will take money away from iTunes. Why do you think they want to completely remove media drives? F the user as long as it's more money for Apple!
 
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