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The non-removable battery is not a good thing

I like the higher capacity battery and all, but why make the battery non-removable? Yeah, I heard the talk about the extra space that is required for a removable battery, but seriously now -- who wants to risk having to send their laptop back via mail for a battery swap? At the very least they'll need to make battery swaps available at the Apple Stores.

I have to think that Apple could have made the batter removable and increased its life by 30-40% with their changes to cell shape and wrapping materials, etc. Instead they have increased battery life by 60% and introduced the risk that a battery issue will cause you to lose use of your machine for several days.

Well I'm very happy with my 15" for size and portability reasons anyway. Glad I bought when I did.
 
I'm utterly disappointed...I mean I like the anti-glare option but non-removable battery O.O that's out of the hand and the price is a bit high I'd say...
 
On the plus side is the anti-glare option. I sure hope this is a proper matte screen and not just a anti-glare coating/glass over a glossy screen.

On the minus side, is the non-removable battery.

I just hope the offer they anti-glare option on the 15" Pro now that they obviously got the message from Pros that didn't like the glossy screen.
 
All images of the new 17" I've seen do indeed have a black bezel. Also, the store calls it an "anti-glare coating".

anti-glare coating =/= matte screen

I can't seem to find any pictures of the anti-glare model. Are you guys seeing something I haven't?

Thank god Apple came to their senses and gave us the option of a matte display. Hopefully they will do the same with the other notebooks and their cinema displays (one can always dream, can't I).

There is a picture (attached) on Apple's web site of the 17-inch MacBook Pro with an antiglare widescreen display. It looks like the old displays with a thin aluminum border. Also, it doesn't say anything about coating, so hopefully this is a regular matte display. I'm keeping my fingers crossed as a glossy screen was a deal-breaker for me. I'm definitely going to buy one but will wait for the Intel Core i7 quad-core version.
 

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Where did you get that picture from? Is that on the USA Apple site?
So if you want the matte screen you can't have the black bezel?
How come they don't specify this in writing?


 
How can they say it can last 5 years with 1,000 charges worth?

That means they have to had tested that battery with this macbook pro 5 years ago. :T
 
My take on today's keynote:
- Apple showed Macworld the middle finger by not announcing anything major or unexpected. The reason why nothing about SnowLeopard or Desktop Macs was announced is because Apple didn't wanna give Macworld this kind of importance since it's it last one. Apple's message: We don't need expos anymore. We will have to think different :p now when it comes to product announcements since the traditional system of big-bang keynotes twice a year has now officially come to an end.
Therefore, I expect at least two major seperate events in the next two or three months, one on Desktops (iMac refresh, new mini, Pro with i7 xeons, xServe) and one on Snow Leopard
I don't think this is really true. It's just that people are comparing this Macworld to the ones of years gone by. Macworld 2000, for example, was pretty big, as it introduced a lot of new hardware, from the Apple Mouse to the iMac, and also officially introduced Mac OS X. Then there was Macworld 2001, when Apple introduced the 15'' Titanium PowerBook G4. And of course Macworld 2002 brought us the second iMac revision, and Macworld 2003 brought us the aluminum PowerBook. But then there were Macworld 2004 and 2005. Do you remember these ones? What about Macworld 2006? Or even Macworld 2008?

The point is that in the past, Macworld was a big deal because Apple really did have technology and designs that were never seen before. In Macworld 2003, Apple introduced the first-ever 17'' notebook. This had never been done before by any other manufacturer. But as the years go by, technology becomes adopted by everyone. There's nothing special anymore about a 17'' notebook or an illuminated keyboard, as there once was.

Macworld 2007 was memorable because it introduced the iPhone. But Apple isn't trying to give Macworld the middle finger, as you've put it, it's just that the industry no longer needs trade shows. There was a time when computers and the Internet were extremely geeky and tech-saavy, but that time is gone. It's now friendly and accessible to everyone. Trade shows were big in the days before the Internet, but now the latter functions as a low-cost, 24/7 trade show that will never end.
 
I've been watching these for many, many years, and seriously, I can't remember one that was as bad as this since the "flower-colored" iMacs came out. I can understand why Apple would not want to be a participant anymore. Expectations were set unreasonably high, but am I missing something? Did Phil not say initially that he will talk about "Macs"? There were no mentions of "Macs"? Only the stats about last year... everything else was 1) mediocre software, 2) iTunes (blah), and 3) awesome notebook that is, again, severely over-priced. Where the heck were the Macs? And is an update to a 20+ month computer a high expectation? Worst ever Macworld...:apple:

I think this is the anothe reason steve chose not to be here. He didnt want to face another angry crowd. Anyone remember how macworld 97 turned out, when he returned to apple?


Does anyone see how it is ridiculous that the money you could spend to get this computer could equal the money you could spend to get a used car?
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I vote for the car

Actually, removing the battery from a notebook while AC is plugged in is a stupid thing to do.

First of all, it makes no difference, your notebook battery will not be damaged even if you keep it a entire month plugged in. You know, the system is intelligent enough at the point that it just knows when is time to cut of the charging process. It does not keep sending energy to the cell when not needed. What keeps the health of a battery is the constant charge and discharge cycles, so, being on the notebook or not will make no difference if it is not being used.

Second, the processor clock of the machine is reduced when you remove the battery. The notebook really needs the battery even when plugged, because the AC does not supply enough power in some situations (thats why the processor clock is reduced when the battery is removed). So you will end up with a very slow machine.

Third, Thats a Magsafe plug, remember? how about you accidentally taking off the plug (thats happen to me eventually) of your so loved Macbook without the battery, an realizing the machine was damaged because it was suddenly powered off?

Not unless you sit at a desk with the power cord out of the way.. ;)

So your saying to give us a matte screen all apple is doing is removing the glass? Sounds like it should be $50 cheaper then. :eek:

a screen is a screen.

Apple (seemingly alone) seems to understand that for the general market, watching Blu-Ray on your laptop is a stupid idea.
1080p is simply indistinguishable from lower res (some would say as low as 480p) on a screen as small as even 17". Its pretty much useless on any monitor under 40" frankly.
Blu-Ray on a laptop is just ego stroking. Its also antithetical to the direction Apple is moving, which is streaming or downloaded media. Why in the world would they support what they consider to be the competition?

Finally, Blu-Ray belongs (if anywhere) in the living room as part of a home entertainment system, on a large screen.

Apple (really really try to get this) isn't shooting to satisfy the fringes... the 1 or 2 percent who are going to rent HD discs to watch on a lousy laptop.

As an AAPL long-holder, I thank god Apple is ignoring the uber-geek fringes.

Blu-ray belongs anywhere where the cousmer wants it. If someone wants to watch a HD movie while they are 10000 miles away from home, let them. Apple TV isnt much help, and that doesnt deserve to be in any living room, as it doesnt support true 1080p, nor does it have any DVR features.

if priced that low, they would make the people who bought the top model 15" for 2500 a few months ago very angry. getting a bigger screen, better battery and better processor for $300 less after a few months, would really piss people off.

Arnt they "pissed" off now. Seems many get pissed off at the end of every apple event because their "dream" device, many are stupid and impossable didnt show up..

Apple doesn't organize the event, although they have been the star purveyor since it's inception. Now they are leaving because they agree with you... it's not worth it. They could have easily announced the 17" on the website or had a simple media event on their campus.

In that small room where they introduced the first ipod back in 2001.



If I own a movie on Blu-ray, and I want to go away for a weekend or whatnot, say to my parent's house where there is nothing to do in the middle of nowhere, I'd like to have a notebook capable of playing said movie.

Yep. I agree.

There are some people who leave their homes and have lives....

As for backups, Time Machine is great, but if your house burns down and your notebook and Time Machine drive are both there.... I currently cycle out portable hard drives stored at my office for offsite backup of critical data, but being able to burn archival Blu-ray media would be a better option -- no need to spin up the drives every few months, no worries about my backup drive crashing.

I have 4 sony USB flash drives Ranging from 1GB, 2GB, 4GB and 8GB. Keep in mind, just because you own a mac, doesnt mean you have to use every stinking feature.




Looks far nicer too, don't care for the black bezels at all.

The black bezzel is part of the glass thats on the screen. Underneath that is the same sliver.

That's because on anything less than a 50" screen there is no difference.

I can tell. Just watching some TV shows on my 13" macbook. I can tell the difference from fringe (which I bought in SD) and the sneek peak of LOST whits I got for free in both HD and SD.

HD is HD, and you can clearly see the diference. Doesnt matter what size screen you have.

And yet you can get netbooks with Blu-ray.

If apple ever went in to the netbook world, expect them to charge close to $1000 for one.
 
I like the higher capacity battery and all, but why make the battery non-removable? Yeah, I heard the talk about the extra space that is required for a removable battery, but seriously now -- who wants to risk having to send their laptop back via mail for a battery swap? At the very least they'll need to make battery swaps available at the Apple Stores.

I have to think that Apple could have made the batter removable and increased its life by 30-40% with their changes to cell shape and wrapping materials, etc. Instead they have increased battery life by 60% and introduced the risk that a battery issue will cause you to lose use of your machine for several days.

Well I'm very happy with my 15" for size and portability reasons anyway. Glad I bought when I did.

Indeed. I've said it before and I'll say it again...better hope there's not another famous battery recall :p
 
Seriously, WAKE UP. The RAM is just a few screws away. Just pop the bottom cover off and install your RAM.

I'm awake. Unibody gives the impression that there aren't any screws and that installing your own RAM isn't a possibility. If I'm wrong, then great! Still hate the black key board... can I install that, too? :p

Rough crowd.
 
WTF are you talking about??? Why are people always posting about things they don't know or understand???

Compare:

Dell 17" Precision "pro" laptop. Configured as close to the Macbook pro as posible:


Intel® Core™ 2 Duo T9400 (2.53GHz, 6M L2 Cache, 1067MHZ) Dual Core
Windows Vista® Business SP1, With media
17" UltraSharp™ WUXGA (1920x1200) LCD Display
Integrated 2.0 MP webcam with dual digital array microphone
4.0GB, DDR3-1066MHz SDRAM, 2 DIMMS
320GB Hard Drive, 7200RPM with Free Fall Sensor
8X DVD+/-RW Slot Load
NVIDIA Quadro FX 2700M, 512MB Discrete

Price::::: $3,955*!!!!!!!

That's right, an equally configured Dell pro laptop cost MORE than ONE THOUSAND US DOLLARS THAN THE 17" MACBOOK PRO.
um a quadro fx (mobile) is a completely different type (ignoring design of chip) of graphics card to geforce, the geforce is a consumer card which is not a 'pro' graphics card by a long shot its a gamers card, the quadro is a workstation class card designed for multimedia and 3d content creation.

You should be comparing to a latitude not a precision.
 
How can they say it can last 5 years with 1,000 charges worth?

That means they have to had tested that battery with this macbook pro 5 years ago. :T
No, they don't have to. All they have to do is analyze what elements go into the battery (such as a lithium ion) and then figure out things like half-life, when the cells begin to degrade, etc. It's not that complicated if you have the proper tools.
 
I was afraid this would happen and now I'm sincerely upset.

If you're going to offer the matte option for the 17", why the hell can't you offer it for the 15"?

I'm hoping that what we're seeing on the 17" is the fruit of a lot of vocal complaints from who segments of bread and butter users like photographers who were not keen on the glossy only path. Here's hoping that we see it on the 15" and 24" display that has apparently replaced the now discontinued 23" matte ACD.

I'm so relieved to see a matte screen.

Now, I'd like my button back.
 
-- who wants to risk having to send their laptop back via mail for a battery swap? .

I never want to send my computer back. Theres to much risk of somewthing else happening. Thats what happend to my HP. I got it back with a cracked screen and motherboard, and it was secure in the package, so it wasnt UPS's falut. Now that laptop is sitting on my bookshelf as a bookstand...
 
That's because on anything less than a 50" screen there is no difference.
riiigggghtttt...
anyone that claims this has clearly never seen a blu-ray movie.
and the downloadable movies that they call "HD" just don't hold up to blu-ray quality.
even on a smaller screen you can clearly see the differences in colour, picture clarity etc.
 
On the plus side is the anti-glare option. I sure hope this is a proper matte screen and not just a anti-glare coating/glass over a glossy screen.

On the minus side, is the non-removable battery.

I just hope the offer they anti-glare option on the 15" Pro now that they obviously got the message from Pros that didn't like the glossy screen.

It was mentioned as an overlay/coating...this is what I want verified.

Guess we won't know the full impact till we see them on display (assuming Apple Stores display both models...)
 
So why would one want Blu-Ray drives on their laptop? Maybe because they already own a collection of movies in Blu-Ray? Why should I have to buy different media to view it on my laptop? Duh. It's got nothing to do with watching a high res movie on a laptop. It's about having access to what you already own and is doable on other EXISTING computers. I EXPECT to be able to play CD's, DVD's and Blu-Rays on a high end $2K+ computer and do what I. That's not too much to ask for.

Agreed. For $2999 CAN ($2799 US) I can buy a 42" LCD TV and 5x PS3s that out compute the crap out of this MBP. I know that the above is in no way portable, but the analogy is ment to highlight the fact that no quad core in this MBP is just pathetic.

No Mac Mini update, no iMac update... disappointing... these were the only two things that I was truely looking forward to. Damn you rumors... damn you hell.
 
And Apple was never about the geeks, it was about the musicians, artists and editors that kept this platform alive during the lean years while the geeks were busy building their Frankenstinian Radio Shack PC towers.

Well, obviously Apple is no longer about this group of people. If this was a serious "pro" notebook, it would incorporate bluray. As a video professional, I can tell you that bluray is something that clients (for example, if you produce wedding videos) want. But, as with the removal of firewire from the MB's, Apple is making it clear that they want to be nothing but a consumer electronics company and they are abandoning the musician/artist/video pro markets. Thats their perogative but, likewise, it's mine to look elsewhere to fill my needs
 
looks like things are working out great for me, so when I want/ need to grab a new MBP I'll have a matte option for the 15". That is assuming they bring this option across the entire MBP line by the next update or 2.
 
Also note that Apple rarely uses Macworld anymore for non-Mac products. The iPod was first unveiled at a independent Apple event in 2001. To my knowledge, only the iPod shuffle was unveiled at Macworld. Every other iPod, including all iterations of the iPod nano and touch, have been at now familiar September music events. Likewise, Apple seems to have pegged October as the month that new notebook revisions get released. As for the iPhone, we saw the most recent announcement at WWDC, which also included news on Leopard and Snow Leopard.

So, really, most of Apple's products are already taken care of: WWDC in June will cover most iPhone and OS news, September will cover iPod news and October will cover notebook news. Other hardware and software releases have occurred any timeframe, although usually around April or May. So, perhaps April may hold a consumer event that focuses on the Mac mini and iMac?
 
If I can't easily access the RAM, the hard drive or the battery, without tearing it up, or voiding the warranty; I'm not buyin' the darn thing! Next!

I don't need/want a big, honkin' 17-in anyway.
 
Wow apple you suck big time

New macbook pro 17 inch whahahahahahahahahahahahahaha


:apple: Pay extra for matte :eek:

:apple: Pay again extra for a bigger screen but the same graphic card as the 15inch model :D

:apple: You cant change the battery but again you pay way more than a extra battery :p

:apple: Only 1 firewire port and they call it the allmighty pro laptop (the best laptop apple can build for you)

:apple: Again still no words about blu ray


Lets face it guys whoever buys this crap is a moron
Get yourself a hackintosh if you really want a BIG laptop with BIG performance..... and let apple think that smaller is better ;) :apple:
 
Apple (seemingly alone) seems to understand that for the general market, watching Blu-Ray on your laptop is a stupid idea.
1080p is simply indistinguishable from lower res (some would say as low as 480p) on a screen as small as even 17". Its pretty much useless on any monitor under 40" frankly.
Blu-Ray on a laptop is just ego stroking. Its also antithetical to the direction Apple is moving, which is streaming or downloaded media. Why in the world would they support what they consider to be the competition?

Finally, Blu-Ray belongs (if anywhere) in the living room as part of a home entertainment system, on a large screen.

Apple (really really try to get this) isn't shooting to satisfy the fringes... the 1 or 2 percent who are going to rent HD discs to watch on a lousy laptop.

As an AAPL long-holder, I thank god Apple is ignoring the uber-geek fringes.

Stupid idea to put BluRay on a laptop, right? Thats why Sony, HP, and a few others are beginning to make serious sales/revenue in the positive due to similar moves like this? Do you NOT take your laptop with you; especially to visit friends/family? Would it not be nice to compose a near PRO video on your laptop for presentation at the FilmFestival? Or just show movies at the family place on their TV with DisplayPort adapter? This alone should be a reason they should consider. At $50 for non-gloss display on high-end laptop if millions sold SHOULD be pretty close to the licensing "issues" that Apple who is NOT in ANY DEBT cannot seem to resolve, while other manufacturers CAN. Sorry but I cannot palate that excuse any longer. No I don't own a Mac yet but have been busing my ASS off and watching for a solid purchase that I can be happy with.

As an AAPL long-holder, I thank god Apple is ignoring the uber-geek fringes.

I completely agree. I think these geeks should go buy something they like instead of wasting their time complaining about something they don't like.

That is a STUPID ( I say this not to insult. To me Stupid is saying something/doing something without thinking, and you know better about if thought out) way to think as an investor. The uber-geek fringes usually work in the tech industry and have many influences amongst their peers. Also having lots of cash to spend. IT was specific requests from users and onlookers waiting to switch - with disposable funds unlike myself - that wanted more. Better graphics for gaming on BOTH platforms, Intel X86 cpu's ... oh yeah MANY Mac Only users for over a decade hated this but are LOVING this came to fruition 3yrs ago, and faster system-bus & memory. Its requests like this that was fulfilled the reason for more sales=revenue to Apple record quarter after quarter for just over 3yrs!!

* Name more than 5 specific laptop models shipping NOW that have better overall system graphics (3D, Gaming, video) than the MBP and shipping or on sale NOW!??
- I can name 2 (HP 8530p, 6930p; Dell XPS 15")

* Name 1 MacBook with better performance than ANY Intel CPU laptop?
* Name any MacBook with better graphics that that 9600M GT used in the MBP? This was NOT always the case where better graphics were in newer systems.
* Name 5 other laptops on sale & shipping NOW that have DDR3-1066Mhz system RAM with an Intel C2D? That is NOT a gaming laptop.

So as an investor you should be VERY happy but saddened because without a few great things that so many faithful users are awaiting must wait another 6-9mths for the next product cycle!
 
riiigggghtttt...
anyone that claims this has clearly never seen a blu-ray movie.
and the downloadable movies that they call "HD" just don't hold up to blu-ray quality.
even on a smaller screen you can clearly see the differences in colour, picture clarity etc.

I agree. If you never seen blu-ray in person, nor know anything about it, you really shouldnt be saying anything about it.

If apple goes blu-ray I see it this year. Just because they are the only major compney not to adopt it yet. It may just drive up sells.

Just as long as they dont charge 4000 for it.... You can get a small, decent machine with blu-ray for bellow 1000

If apple goes blu-ray and people dont like it, theres always e-bay or another compney...
 
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