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How can they say it can last 5 years with 1,000 charges worth?

That means they have to had tested that battery with this macbook pro 5 years ago. :T

Just a thought experiment: If you were employed by Apple and had to figure out how long these batteries last, what would you do? Tell your boss "I'll give you the numbers in five years time", or would you think of something more clever?
 
1000 FULL discharges and recharges. As in draining completely down and then charging it all the way back up.

To put it into perspective, I used my MBP for about 18 month now and I have 283 cycles on it.

i am having my macbook for two years now, and i use it almost purely at home. i got 83 cycles. so the 1000 charges limit would be fine with me.

I'm in the euro-zone and I'm considering going to the UK because it's so cheap there. Isn't the financial market funny.

2000 pounds would be around 2200 euros. the mbp is available for 2500 euros in the german apple store.

the only thing is that i am not sure if in uk the price is listed including taxes like in germany or without like in the states. :confused:
 
Looks like a pretty solid update to the machine - the only points of contention I see (which is evident in this thread) are the non-removable battery and the anti-glare option. From the sounds of it the battery is far superior and will last longer than a lot of people will probably own their machines (i.e. 5 years), however it is non-removable. The anti-glare option is great, however I'm sure people will object to having to pay for it. So, good and bad I guess. ;) The machine looks sweet if nothing else though. :cool:
 
Well, obviously Apple is no longer about this group of people. If this was a serious "pro" notebook, it would incorporate bluray. As a video professional, I can tell you that bluray is something that clients (for example, if you produce wedding videos) want. But, as with the removal of firewire from the MB's, Apple is making it clear that they want to be nothing but a consumer electronics company and they are abandoning the musician/artist/video pro markets. Thats their perogative but, likewise, it's mine to look elsewhere to fill my needs

I agree. Musicians, etc are the typically referred to as "starving", no? As in not able to afford these ridiculous prices.

Not including these technologies that are obviously desired, and are standard on PCs is insulting. Especially when it could be easily done. Apple needs to treat its loyal customers with respect.
 
Apple know what they are doing, even though they did let us down today.

Blu-Ray still isn't the standard format yet, and although people like bluray, why can't you buy HD movies from the iTunes store. I never really saw the difference in HD and blu-ray.

Apple will do it, but just not yet. They don't feel that people are using it standard. And they are not wrong, but if they want a high end laptop, thats what there gonna have to offer

i do agree that physical media will get less unpopular, but not dissapear.

Because they have been dissaapointing today, means there might be a build up to some awesome products, like we were expecting at Macworld today.

Really suprised no info was made on snoleo... Not one word about it... I'm not sure about snow leopard.. I know it's about speed but the more i think about it, the duller it seems. My Mac is already pretty fast.

Oh well.. I'm getting a bit off topic now

-Sam

Wait a sec there Sam people might not be using br a lot yet but that's not apples rationL for not using it. None has been using display port but they decided to shove this down our throat, people got used to FireWire but apple robed it from them in the macbook, and the majority prefers matte screen but that's not an option other than this notebook. So the argument that apple is considering what the public already uses and adopts is self evidently wrong. Apple was there from day 1 one of the foemost proponents of the br alliance but once they found the golden goose itunes they won't have you use
Any alternative means than theirs. Period. For the love of god they are the only phone, let alone
Smart phone that won't have fm radio playback. Are we morons to think
People have not adopted
Enough fm or is it maybe hard ted to
Implement fm on a cell phone: rubish. They want you there
Isolated
With your iTunes account and even radio they will deprive you of because of potential conflict of interests.
 
My take on the battery...

The Unibody construction does not work so well with the 17" size, too much flexing probably and not readily fixable with thicker fabrication. So having a removable battery creates too much weakness, bit like chopping the roof off a sedan. But fix the battery in permanent and it becomes a stiffener for the unibody. That's why it was all delayed, they have been rushing around fabbing a new battery.
 
No iMac Update?

I must admit that I was slightly disappointed that there were no revisions to the iMac. I've been waiting for MWSF to see if any the hardware would be updated. Are there any updates about this besides the Buyer's Guide?
 
The Unibody construction does not work so well with the 17" size, too much flexing probably and not readily fixable with thicker fabrication. So having a removable battery creates too much weakness, bit like chopping the roof off a sedan. But fix the battery in permanent and it becomes a stiffener for the unibody. That's why it was all delayed, they have been rushing around fabbing a new battery.

Nope.
 
As for backups, Time Machine is great, but if your house burns down and your notebook and Time Machine drive are both there.... I currently cycle out portable hard drives stored at my office for offsite backup of critical data, but being able to burn archival Blu-ray media would be a better option -- no need to spin up the drives every few months, no worries about my backup drive crashing.

If your house burns down and you are in the house with your MacBook, it doesn't matter whether you lose your Time Machine backup or not. And if you're outside the house with your MacBook, everything is fine (if you are insured). Just don't leave the house without your MacBook.

But tell me, how long do you think Blu-ray media will last? And how confident are you about it? I am sure I wouldn't want to rely on Blu-ray discs for backups.
 
I'm not planning on replacing my current 17" MBP until much later this year so I am very happy to see a good replacement now. I'm expecting some issues with this model but they should be able to knock those out by the end of the year and, hopefully, have a solid i7 mobile processor to boot. I was thinking of down-grading to a 15" but if Apple maintains the differences between the models (unlikely, I think) then I'm back in the 17" market again.

Very impressive.
 
Today you get a new, slicker, more powerful mbp 17" for the same price you would have payed for yesterday's model and you are complaining about the price? If you can't pay $2799 for the single most important tool you use to make your cash you are cleary not in the target pro audience. Instead, be happy that Apple makes consumer grade models too.
 
$5000 computer!

Who would pay $5000 for a computer? If you would, you should consider buying a Mac Pro, a 15-in MacBook Pro, and a Apple display for about the same price.


Don't forget the original 128K Mac was $2495 which would be $4988.98 today using Consumer Price Index calculation :)
 
So why would one want Blu-Ray drives on their laptop? Maybe because they already own a collection of movies in Blu-Ray? Why should I have to buy different media to view it on my laptop? Duh. It's got nothing to do with watching a high res movie on a laptop. It's about having access to what you already own and is doable on other EXISTING computers. I EXPECT to be able to play CD's, DVD's and Blu-Rays on a high end $2K+ computer and do what I. That's not too much to ask for.

I dont know anyone who "already owns" media on their computers. Talking about the itunes store? May be some want physical media to play in, lets say their blu-ray player on their plasma TV?

Like I said, there are plenty of PCS out there with blu-ray that are bellow 2000, even some bellow 1000.


Pay extra for matte

I guess its the price you pay for complaining and sending bunch of e-mails to apple.....

Stupid idea to put BluRay on a laptop, right? Thats why Sony, HP, and a few others are beginning to make serious sales/revenue in the positive due to similar moves like this? Do you NOT take your laptop with you; especially to visit friends/family? Would it not be nice to compose a near PRO video on your laptop for presentation at the FilmFestival? Or just show movies at the family place on their TV with DisplayPort adapter? This alone should be a reason they should consider. At $50 for non-gloss display on high-end laptop if millions sold SHOULD be pretty close to the licensing "issues" that Apple who is NOT in ANY DEBT cannot seem to resolve, while other manufacturers CAN. Sorry but I cannot palate that excuse any longer. No I don't own a Mac yet but have been busing my ASS off and watching for a solid purchase that I can be happy with.

Couldn't agree more. I want a machine to act and do what I want it to do. Not what some fan boy on the other side of the county wants.

Blu-ray is getting better and better, ever notice when you walk in to store, towards the movies, you see an entire isle with blu-ray movies? Or they took a section in the movies and made it all blu-ray.

iTunes is nice, but some want physical media, and know theres still a risk of loosing the file or backup. Plus, those who have blu-ray hooked to their TVs...
 
several points here:
2. To the people complaining about lack of blu-ray, what do you need it for? Backups can be done with time machine, and do you really need to watch high definition films on a 17" screen? Wouldn't that just run the battery life down when you are out, and if you are at home would you not watch them on your tv instead?

3. I see no problem with the battery being fixed, If you are going to carry your laptop about for extended periods would you not be better off with a smaller model? Personally, I can count on one hand the number of times my macbook (18 months old) has been used long enough away from a power socket to actually run out of battery. 8 Hours is surely long enough for the vast majority of users.
it.

2. Not only to watch but also to publish. Media Pro's need to deliver HD material to some clients for final approval (common in promo film production etc.)

3. Again... editing (documentaries) or just watching rushes (docs, fiction) on-location with FCP, RED Rushes, Cine etc. etc. you eat away battery way faster then the battery specs lets you assume you would. Extra batteries are always very handy. Bigger screen means you work faster.
 
I must admit that I was slightly disappointed that there were no revisions to the iMac. I've been waiting for MWSF to see if any the hardware would be updated. Are there any updates about this besides the Buyer's Guide?

No updates yet, but regardless I wouldn't worry too much - Apple has had a tradition of releasing hardware updates shortly after events such as MWSF, so just because there were no iMac, Mac mini, etc updates announced today doesn't mean they;'re not coming in the very near future.
 
If your house burns down and you are in the house with your MacBook, it doesn't matter whether you lose your Time Machine backup or not. And if you're outside the house with your MacBook, everything is fine (if you are insured). Just don't leave the house without your MacBook.

But tell me, how long do you think Blu-ray media will last? And how confident are you about it? I am sure I wouldn't want to rely on Blu-ray discs for backups.

So, if my macbook was in the room that was burning, you say I should go in there, and pick up my macbook thats on fire?

Blu-ray will be here for a while. Apple will not take over the world and have itunes as the main media source. It simply wont happen.

Last year, we finaly saw a few blank blu-ray discs along with blu-ray burners, I believe we will see a lot more this year..
 
a screen is a screen.

The black bezzel is part of the glass thats on the screen. Underneath that is the same sliver.

Thought a "screen is a screen" from these two quotes, basically replace 1 glass with another that is not so glossy during the manufacturing process; which is on a different assembly line than the other laptops due to the 17". Again $50 for no glossy option is not excusable for a TOP of the LINE laptop.

I can tell. Just watching some TV shows on my 13" macbook. I can tell the difference from fringe (which I bought in SD) and the sneek peak of LOST whits I got for free in both HD and SD.

HD is HD, and you can clearly see the diference. Doesnt matter what size screen you have.

Totally in agreement!


If apple ever went in to the netbook world, expect them to charge close to $1000 for one.

Well, thats what the HP Dv2/DV3 just announced is going for ;)
HDMI (put in DisplayPort) for the sub $1000 ultraportable DV2 running new AMD Yukon cpu's with ATi HD 3140 graphics with full 1080P support. DV3 seems to be what the MB should compare against. 13".
 
But tell me, how long do you think Blu-ray media will last? And how confident are you about it? I am sure I wouldn't want to rely on Blu-ray discs for backups.

My understanding is that the media will last for quite some time, having at least the shelf life of DVDs, so I wouldn't be too worried about it...
 
My understanding is that the media will last for quite some time, having at least the shelf life of DVDs, so I wouldn't be too worried about it...

I dont get why people think apple will take over the media world with iTunes. come on....
 
If your house burns down and you are in the house with your MacBook, it doesn't matter whether you lose your Time Machine backup or not. And if you're outside the house with your MacBook, everything is fine (if you are insured). Just don't leave the house without your MacBook.

I'm at the office or in transit for about 11 hours a day, the computer is at home. No need to have the computer with me at all times.

As for the event of being in the house during a fire, well, hopefully I don't die.... but I certainly won't be worrying that I have to grab my computer -- insurance can replace hardware, but it's not going to replace years of digital photos.

But tell me, how long do you think Blu-ray media will last? And how confident are you about it? I am sure I wouldn't want to rely on Blu-ray discs for backups.

Archival-quality Blu-ray media is rated to 200 years... by that point, I'll be dead, cremated, and scattered... realistically I'd be happy for it to last 20 years, by that point data would have been migrated to yet another new format.

Compare that to a hard drive -- 3 years, 5 years if you're lucky, before it crashes.
 
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I wonder how much the take back and recycling program will cost the owner. Just a thought.

My sentiments exactly. Or whether a battery that has lost 50% of its capacity after a year or two will be covered by AppleCare.
 
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