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Apple Releases Boot Camp Beta

adroit said:
I don't know if this question came up before and the thread is really long so I didn't bother going through the whole thing.

I find that Apple's solution in installing XP and the previous Californian hackers seems very similar (especially with pressing the down button thing when boot up). Does anyone also think that Apple might just buy out the hackers' solution and add drivers to it?:confused:

Anyhow, just a thought.
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No, I think Apple developed their own solution. They have released their own firmware that supports legacy BIOS. The contest solution was was a soft-hack. This is an actual firmware update to allow windows to boot.
 
One has to ask what the closed-door meeting between Apple and MS was like. What is the quid pro quo? I'm not familiar with anything from the Windows world that I would really want--or need.

If Apple is going as far as to include this, I'll bet it's only a matter of time before they come up with something similar to fast user switching to navigate between the two operating systems. Perhaps boot both at startup?
 
adroit said:
I don't know if this question came up before and the thread is really long so I didn't bother going through the whole thing.

I find that Apple's solution in installing XP and the previous Californian hackers seems very similar (especially with pressing the down button thing when boot up). Does anyone also think that Apple might just buy out the hackers' solution and add drivers to it?:confused:

Anyhow, just a thought.
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Holdign down the Option key at boot to select which OS/partition to boot off of has been around for many many years..
 
I wonder why they didn't release this last Saturday:)

EDIT: I can hear all those windoze fan boys now. "30 years later and now Macs can FINALLY run windoze."
 
ok, now the guys at PARALLELS must come out with a good real-time virtualization program to avoid dual-booting and give leopard another feature to implement...

...after all, if windows run INSIDE mac OSX it's not only much more useful, it's also a victory of apple OS against microsoft's; and it certainly helps extinction of XP better than dual booting, since people will get used to working under OSX only ( with a windows window open... for now ).

:D
 
That sealed it for me...

That sealed it for me! I am going to likely sell my Acer Ferrari (which I love) and pick up a MBP! Sweetness. Now I can run OSX for me and XP for my job. I wouldn't have believed this a few years ago! Thanks Apple! :D
 
OMFG#!@* nice, crap os on Mac hardware... I still dont know if that makes me happy... Perhaps they should have invested in improving game releases instead, or added directx9-PC emulation within osx10.5.
 
Laugh Away

rayz said:
No it doesn't, and no you haven't ... :rolleyes:

But thanks for the biggest online laugh today.

Windows cannot 'hide' a BSOD because all your apps would still crash.

And don't you think people would get suspicious of the cartoons to distract them while it reboots on the quiet ..... ?

I'm sure they can restart certain parts of the OS, but a complete reboot?!

Jeez, I understand your desire to 'big up' the Mac platform but COME ON!
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Start -> Settings -> Control Panel -> System -> Advanced -> Startup and Recovery -> Settings -> System Failure -> Automatically Restart (Checked by Default).

Still laughing?
 
rayz said:
No it doesn't, and no you haven't ... :rolleyes:

Windows cannot 'hide' a BSOD because all your apps would still crash.
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So when my XP box has crashed and spontaneously restarted, what do you propose I was looking at instead?

Who ever said that it "hides" a crash? All your apps DO crash. But instead of sitting on a BSOD, the box reboots for you.

The issue is whether the BSOD exists in XP. It certainly does, just google it and you'll see plenty of documentation. Heck, you can even force a BSOD in XP if you need to see it to believe it.
 
This is the funniest thing I've heard all day.

This comes straight from Apple's Boot Camp Page:

EFI and BIOS
"Macs use an ultra-modern industry standard technology called EFI to handle booting. Sadly, Windows XP, and even the upcoming Vista, are stuck in the 1980s with old-fashioned BIOS. But with Boot Camp, the Mac can operate smoothly in both centuries."

This is a smart move by Apple. This should shut people up for a while.
 
I would have loved to see this come out on Saturday. Can you imagine the hysteria amongst us that Apple was playing us for the fool when actually it's true? No one would have believed it until some of us "gullible" ones try it and it works!
 
Switcher2001 said:
I think this might be a bad thing. It's already hard to get certain websites, software developers, IT departments, etc. to support the Mac platform. Now they have no reason to support us at all. They can just say, "Install Windows on your Mac!"
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That's what I'm seeing too. Then, the Mac becomes an overpriced computer that doesn't run any OS X software aside from Apple itself. And not only is it overpriced, but you need to add the price of the full version of Windows to it (which is 200$US at Amazon.com). So instead of being "Dell for $400 vs Mac mini for $600" it becomes "Dell for $400 vs Mac mini for $800".

Also, why make OS X software / support OS X users if they can be merged with the other 95% of your users?

For corporations it'll cost less to buy Windows XP and install it on Macs, which will put the burden of dual-boot on its users, which in the end will get an order frop the top to "stay in Windows" because dual-booting "wastes time". And their next computer won't be a Mac either.

For users at home, it means "no more OS X games" because developpers won't care: they'll tell that small 5% marketshare to "just buy Windows if you want to play our games".

I really don't know what Apple are thinking (unless my "Windows Leopard" story holds up).



Edit: something really, REALLY weird just happened... I searched for "Windows Leopard" in Google, and at the end of 10 non-related results, I had this text:
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In response to a complaint we received under the US Digital Millennium Copyright Act, we have removed 1 result(s) from this page. If you wish, you may read the DMCA complaint that caused the removal(s) at ChillingEffects.org.

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Does it mean anything? I have no idea. But I've never seen that notice before and I've been using Google since it came out.
 
OSX Dead, I don't think so (Windows Developer Prospective)

This is HUGE news for me. I am a Windows bound developer during the day with over 15 years writing code for the Windows platform. At night, I am a musician/songwriter in Nashville. In the music world, macs rule. I have tried Windows and OSX for music stuff, OSX wins hands down. Why? Plain an simple, the drivers for my hardware "just work" on OSX. In the Windows world, it is a pain in the a$$.

I have heard similar tales from people whom do Video and Graphics work as well. The bottom line is that whatever works with the least amount of issues and cost will win at the end of the day. Windows wins in the business world for one reason, it is cheap to run and develop on. In creative fields OSX typically wins.

From an interface stand point, each OS has its pluses. At the end of the day, I don't think there will be one over the other as far as usability goes. People are fickle, and everyone has different preferences on how they like to interact with the machine.

While dual boot is not optimal for switching between OSX and Windows, this is so much better than having to buy two 2000 dollar machines. The consumer wins on this one.
 
how about the game development for the mac? there's going to be less development! "why develop games for macosx when you can develop Pc and still run it on a mac?"

all those great software on mac are going to weaken.
 
It makes me want to get an Intel Mac right now, but when I really think about it I probably would only boot into windows once or twice in my lifetime, unless I was required to by a job or something...

I once installed Mandrake Linux but I quickly realized that I could do everything I wanted to do in Mandrake better in OS X and stopped using it...
 
joeboy_45101 said:
This is the funniest thing I've heard all day.

This comes straight from Apple's Boot Camp Page:

EFI and BIOS
"Macs use an ultra-modern industry standard technology called EFI to handle booting. Sadly, Windows XP, and even the upcoming Vista, are stuck in the 1980s with old-fashioned BIOS. But with Boot Camp, the Mac can operate smoothly in both centuries."

This is a smart move by Apple. This should shut people up for a while.
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It is funny...so funny it's been quoted here 10+ (appx) already! ;) That's right, I read the first 14 pages. :D



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Wow, now this is awesome. Apple supporting Windows on their OS is sure to bring in many switchers! It isn't the virtualization technology we've all been waiting for, but it's a start. Speaking of that, is it still coming or is Boot Camp its official replacement?
 
XP Pro 2002 - Can I Turn That Into A Service Pack 2 Version?

XP Pro 2002 - Can I Turn That Into A Service Pack 2 Version? Or do I need to Buy A SP 2 Version to play Windows on MacIntels?

Sorry if this is already covered but I'm west coast late to the party and don't feel like reading over 400 posts already. :D :eek: :eek: :confused:

Wow this is cool. But I do think the Parallels Boot Windows WITH OS X is a better and more exciting solution. It's great to see Apple taking the offensive on this front for sure. I just think Parallels will be a more popular implementation of Windows on MacIntels - safer and more secure from outside intruders. :p
 
I think this is good news.

OS X will continue to be the best and the choice OS for most mac users. However, there are many of us that *sometimes* need to do something in Windows. Maybe once a week, maybe once a month, maybe once a year. Nevertheless, they can now do this on their Mac instead of laying down hundreds or thousands for a PC too.

Or, PC users can now feel better about switching to Apple hardware. If they don't like OS X (perhaps a worry in their mind somewhere) they could rest knowing that the hardware will still be usable for Windows.

Simple and easy solution. This is brilliant on Apple's part. Well done.
 
vista

will someone with a macbook pro let me know what score the book gets for the "how ready my computer is for vista" test that microsoft put out

i think that would be very interesting to see
thanks! now i want a mac more than ever! now i'm just waiting for intel to release some 64 bit chips (taking them long enough)
 
Dvorak was only partly right!!!
It all makes sense now... Apple is not going to give up its OS: Microsoft will!!! They will make Office and PPC products but give up on the OS because of all the headaches! When Vista is introduced, there will be a big cake rolled out onto the floor of the stage. The lights will dim, a spotlight will shine on the cake. Drumroll... Out leaps a Leopard from the cake and devours Ballmer, signifying the death of all that was wrong with MS. All hail our new Mac Overlords!!!
 
simply awesome!

Im in a creative dept where the G5s match the Dells/Boxx workstations (in numbers).
Id like a world where Im running dual boots as well :)
for the graphics/animation people, this is simply awesome :)
 
steelfist said:
how about the game development for the mac? there's going to be less development! "why develop games for macosx when you can develop Pc and still run it on a mac?"

all those great software on mac are going to weaken.
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Games development isn't exactly a strength at the moment, so I don't think we're losing much at this point. If anything, maybe it'll spur OS X-only developers to release programs in a timely fashion, rather than relying on a built-in dependency on Mac OS X to ensure that we purchase from them.

By "all those great software" on OS X, what do you mean? Adobe, Quark, etc. will continue to release OS X editions, since roughly 90% of all Macs are still PPC, and even those with Intel Macs would probably buy native versions if possible.
 
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