Apple Releases Boot Camp Beta

[boncellis]

It's not the same. But it does have cross platform functionality including cross platform Audio and Video Chat capability.

Yeah, I remember when that came out--and it leaves a lot to be desired, in my experience. To be clear, I mean finding a way to enable the built-in iSight in XP, and iChat would be a good way to implement it. If AIM were as well designed as iChat, you would be right. But that's a big "if."

By the way, I wanted to learn more about HD so I was excited to read your HDTV blog--any recent updates?

 

[ITASOR]

Good news, but it sucks to all those who donated the total $12k or w/e for a hacker method...Apple was probably laughing.

 

[owl-boy]

I really hope this is the case, because it would make me switch to macs... BUT maybe Apple is a little bit late on their April Fools announcement, I just really hope they're gonna ake this back and exclaim... "April Fools!"

How would it be an april fools joke if people have already intalled it and it works fine?

And also I have a question about the files on your mac-do they automatically get copied over to the pc version or is there any way of accessing files like word documents from the hardrive?

 

[BevvyB]

What this means?

This means that instead of having to buy a PC to play some of the games I want, I can simply boot XP and play them there. And then switch back when I'm done with the games.

It's stopped me from buying a PC. That's important.

 

[steve_hill4]

This is false. Windows XP MCE doesn't require tv tuner cards to be installed. While Microsoft's licensing originally required computer makers to include a TV tuner card with systems pre-installed with MCE, this licensing (not technical) requirement has been dropped. MCE will install on pretty much anything that XP will.

Correct. Prime example was Sony's FE11S, (a perfect example too of the crappy names Windows based manufacturers give to their products). That came with WXPMCE, but no TV card. You could do everything with it through Media Centre, but watch and record TV. I believe purchasing the dock or an extrenal tuner would add functionality back in, but it shows you don't need a card in a machine for MC.

Without one, it merely acts like an awkward version of Front Row. And that can be saying something.

 

[WeeManDan]

Thinking out loud but this is a rumour site and this being an actual product, how impressive is it that this was kept quiet? Also I was thinking do you think the hackers forced Apples hand? And if so was this already in development or created in a couple of weeks, burning the midnight oil?

Things that make you go hmmm...

Dan

 

[steve_hill4]

How would it be an april fools joke if people have already intalled it and it works fine?

And also I have a question about the files on your mac-do they automatically get copied over to the pc version or is there any way of accessing files like word documents from the hardrive?

Again, as I said earlier, depends whether drivers are added to read HFS+ partitions. I suspect not.

Windows will read and write to FAT and NTFS partitions. It will not read HFS+ without a third party app like MacDrive.
OS X will read and write to HFS+ and FAT partitions. It will read only NTFS partitions. It also appears if you want the XP partition to be any larger than 32GB during setup, you can only choose NTFS. So the moral is to set up one below this and only install what needs to be installed. Then if you need to read/write large numbers of files on both, get and external hard drive and set up FAT partitions on it.

 

[owl-boy]

Again, as I said earlier, depends whether drivers are added to read HFS+ partitions. I suspect not.

Windows will read and write to FAT and NTFS partitions. It will not read HFS+ without a third party app like MacDrive.
OS X will read and write to HFS+ and FAT partitions. It will read only NTFS partitions. It also appears if you want the XP partition to be any larger than 32GB during setup, you can only choose NTFS. So the moral is to set up one below this and only install what needs to be installed. Then if you need to read/write large numbers of files on both, get and external hard drive and set up FAT partitions on it.

thanx a bunch steve! this really helps

 

[steve_hill4]

Thinking out loud but this is a rumour site and this being an actual product, how impressive is it that this was kept quiet? Also I was thinking do you think the hackers forced Apples hand? And if so was this already in development or created in a couple of weeks, burning the midnight oil?

Things that make you go hmmm...

Dan

Well, a few days back it was rumoured that Leopard would include virtualisation software. This could be the fruits of that project, (after all details get leaked and misinformed all the time). But why nothing until now? Well, with this being a public beta, if Apple had held back to Leopard itself, we would have almost certainly got all the details before. They pretty much beat us to it by bringing out this beta rather than wait for the final version.

Anyway, we have been too pre-occupied by others hacking away to run XP on a Mac and so may have taken our eyes off the ball as far as Apple's efforts are concerned.

 

[fisty]

BRILLIANT

that will teach those dudes who brought windows version at first working a lesson not posting the sourcecode and maybe help ppl to figure out first how to make the video drivers work before apple made its release

anyhow im planning to do it right now

 

[absurdio]

So...is Microsoft even gonna bother updating Office for OSX ever again? All I want Windows for is Half-Life 2. Everything else, I want to working on the OSX half.

Also, when you partition the HD for this, do you have to allot a certain amount of disk space to each OS? I did this once way back when in high school running Red Hat (Linux) and Windows, and I remember getting pissed off when one half of the partition would be full and the other still had too much space. Is that still how it works? I'm sortof out of the technology loop these days.

And while I'm at it... what's the likelihood of now being able to boot Linux on a mac? I know using Terminal you can do a lot of things similar to the way you'd do them in a Linux environment, but could you have a third Linux partition?

HL2, Tux, and all of OSX in the same place?
...this is making me giddy.

 

[sebisworld]

 

[robertmorris2]

external drive

I may post the same question, but i haven't read all the posts. Can this be done with an external drive..can you boot up ?

 

[appleguy]

Seems to be running ok.
installed in on our showroom macs
had a guy using a toshiba said it boots and acts faster around the Windows OS
only problem we are having is connecting to our Airport Network
it connects ok after we assign it an iP address but no network traffic or web access

 

[steve_hill4]

Aren't all of IBM's Blade Servers running the G5 PPC chip that they make????

According to their website, those ones are running Unix systems. They also do Xeon and Opteron blades which will run Windows.

Edit: In fact I was trying to find out whether Windows did support the PPC in any versions and the only one I came up with suggested either NT 3.0 or 4.0 had a PPC version for a short time.

 

[KindredMAC]

Just thought of something....people are saying that M$ will be pissed by this.... uhhh, guys and girls....hello? M$ will be making MORE money off of all of us that use Boot Camp. We still have to BUY Windows XP!!!!!!

It's going to be Dell, HP and the Gateways of the world that will be pissed....not M$.

 

[Airforce]

Just thought of something....people are saying that M$ will be pissed by this.... uhhh, guys and girls....hello? M$ will be making MORE money off of all of us that use Boot Camp. We still have to BUY Windows XP!!!!!!

Not too much more...Torrents for Windows XP have been overloaded

 

[Stella]

According to their website, those ones are running Unix systems. They also do Xeon and Opteron blades which will run Windows.

Edit: In fact I was trying to find out whether Windows did support the PPC in any versions and the only one I came up with suggested either NT 3.0 or 4.0 had a PPC version for a short time.

At one time, Windows NT ran on multiple architectures. Those days have long gone.

Intel only now.

 

[sbb155]

office 2003

can someone tell me how well windows office 2003 runswith boot camp? This is very important for us corporate users.

 

[iameatingjam]

I hope this isn't going to be the start of the end of osx, who would want to port anything now?

 

[Phil A.]

can someone tell me how well windows office 2003 runswith boot camp? This is very important for us corporate users.

It runs at least as well as on any other PC with the same spec. You have to remember that all bootcamp does is allow you to dual boot your mac with Windows XP - there is absolutely no emulation of any kind involved, your Mac runs Windows natively and at full speed.

 

[ingenious]

Service Pack 2 only........ What can you do if your PC came with XP SP1 on a CD? Nothing I guess?

The restore discs won't work anyway... only a retail version of (yuck) XP.

 

[Lord Kythe]

I hope this isn't going to be the start of the end of osx, who would want to port anything now?

Don't worry. Most PC users (including a lot, although noticeably less, mac users) don't even know what an OS is. Apple computers only come with Mac OS X installed (absolutely no Windows option from Apple, not even support for bootcamp). Most Apple users will be using Mac OS X, we're one of the most devoted OS users and most developers know that.

I'm sure this won't affect porting/developing Mac OS X software.

 

[boncellis]

I hope this thread goes down in history with the 500 thread--perhaps a suitable name would be...the 666 thread?

Seriously though, I like the way Apple is going, it seems like they have an endless amount of tricks up their sleeves. I am looking forward to the next generation (Merom) Mini, and WWDC can't get here soon enough.

 

[GeeYouEye]

For anyone wondering, yes, you can install Linux instead of Windows.

My ideal solution, if it's possible, would be to use Boot Camp, install Windows, and use Partition Magic to create an ext3 volume for a Linux distro. Triple-boot, baby!