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Apple Releases Boot Camp Beta

Yvan256 said:
It lowers the "OS X-only" marketshare (the way it was, before today).

Mac users: 5 (OS X)
Windows users: 95 (Windows)

Two Mac users install Windows.

Mac users: 3 (OS X only)
Mac users: 2 (OS X and Windows)
Windows users: 95 (Windows)

The "I can only run OS X software" % just went down two percent and the "I can run Windows software" just went up two percent.

I do agree that marketshare is only sales, and that this move may increase Mac sales, but what I said above can be applied to all Intel-Mac users if they do install Windows.
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I'd make the following change in your example. It is a safe assumption to say that Apple would increase their overall share. So.

Mac users: 5 (OS X only)
Mac users: 2 (OS X and Windows)
Windows users: 93 (Windows)
 
biohazard6969 said:
Not true, i used my dell discs that came with my dell to install XP on my imac and it worked great
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Although legally probably not what they had in mind...:eek:
 
Chupa Chupa said:
Normally, true. And IF the MBU was a for-profit division of M$ I'm positive M$ would have pulled the plug the day Jobs said Apple was switching to Intel rather than have to practically recode Office as a UB. But MBU is not a for-profit division of M$. It's only reason for existence is to keep the Mac OS afloat to keep the Feds away. I'm sure M$ doesn't like tossing money to MBU now anymore than it will 5 years from now. But it's a burden it must bear. That doesn't mean MBU is going to grow. Clearly it's not. But it's not going away either unless Apple's market share dramatically increases in the next 5 years....and then M$ may not want to dismantle the MBU.
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The MBU is a profit center. Yes it was formed as a result of the anti-trust case back in the 90's but that is no longer the case. To date the MBU has been making enough money to keep it alive, albiet with money from Apple .....very much like Intuit (Quicken).

Also, your statement about the Office UB is just wrong. To create an Office 2003 UB requires next to no changes at all. The recoding you may be thinking of is in regards to the next generation of Office. That recoding has nothing to do with Apple at all, M$ has got plenty of their own problems....but that's for another thread.
 
If Apple would make Intel Macs in boring grey boxes, consumers would have no more reasons to buy PCs! :)

Perhaps the biggest change could be in the business world, where I.T. departments often have "corporate standards" that make it hard for employees to get Macs.

But when I.T. says "hardware must be Intel" or more commonly "hardware must support Windows" or "system must run Windows", workers can meet the standards with a Mac purchase.
 
i think its ok becasue i have my own windows product key.


one big problem i have is that whenever i restart i get a BSOD on windows startup but if i restart again its fine. other than that its working great! so fast!! i'm installing FEAR right now and i'm SO excited. will post review on speed etc 2morro
 
This is going to help out a ton at our school. A couple of the Accounting classes are all on CD, but they only run on Windows. They sometimes ran under virtual PC, but very slowly. Being able to boot into Windows just for that will help move a lot more Macs in the bookstore. TONS of people take those classes because they are required by a lot of the different colleges here on campus.
 
My Take

My Take on this whole thing? The name "Boot Camp" sucks.


If I tell a Windows user that they can "use Windows on your new Mac via a feature called Boot Camp," they will look at me very funny. It just doesn't fit like "Spotlight", "Dashboard", or "Front Row".
 
When I saw this news this morning, I had many doubts about it. It almost seems that Apple needs the business of Windows XP users who want good looking computers to gain market share. However, I understand that Apple is also making a good business movie, because now all of those who use Apple computers who need a Windows machine for work will keep buying Apple machines. However, I don't see myself ever taking advantage of this option. When I get a MacBook Pro, you will only find OS X on it, and MAYBE linux at some time.
 
Doctor Q said:
If Apple would make Intel Macs in boring grey boxes, consumers would have no more reasons to buy PCs! :)

Perhaps the biggest change could be in the business world, where I.T. departments often have "corporate standards" that make it hard for employees to get Macs.

But when I.T. says "hardware must be Intel" or more commonly "hardware must support Windows" or "system must run Windows", workers can meet the standards with a Mac purchase.
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I'm not sure about that. Unfortunately, support is a big deal for companies. (Which is why a lot don't just download the latest Linux distro -- they buy it so they get vendor support from Red Hat, etc.) Apple isn't supporting Windows on Macs, so I'm not sure that would work.

You might be able to sneak it by the company by saying that Apple has released Boot Camp which allows Windows to boot on Macs... which suggests ( ;) ;) ) that Apple supports it.

Will be good for smaller companies where this is less of a concern, though. (Small companies where they DO just download the latest Linux distro.)
 
hyperpasta said:
My Take on this whole thing? The name "Boot Camp" sucks.


If I tell a Windows user that they can "use Windows on your new Mac via a feature called Boot Camp," they will look at me very funny. It just doesn't fit like "Spotlight", "Dashboard", or "Front Row".
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From the site:

"Called Boot Camp (for now)..."

I suspect it will either:
  1. Turn into a system preference in Leopard, or
  2. Be replaced by virtualization technology in Leopard (which would no longer be "boot")
 
BillyShears said:
From the site:

"Called Boot Camp (for now)..."

I suspect it will either:
  1. Turn into a system preference in Leopard, or
  2. Be replaced by virtualization technology in Leopard (which would no longer be "boot")
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Would it just be "Camp" then?
 
Steve's Clones

tdar said:
no.....thats November of 06
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The consumer Vista is due Jan 07

I see the Windows support as Job's Clone plan, we know Jobs did not like the Clone plan, because it did not build market share, so he killed it. This Windows and Mac OS X on a Mac makes it easy to boot both OS, people buy Macs, because they can use Windows, and the "iPod company" makes them. They start using Windows and Mac OS X, then just use OS X
 
steve_hill4 said:
According to their website, those ones are running Unix systems. They also do Xeon and Opteron blades which will run Windows.

Edit: In fact I was trying to find out whether Windows did support the PPC in any versions and the only one I came up with suggested either NT 3.0 or 4.0 had a PPC version for a short time.
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Right now it is only UNIX. They are the p5 series. We bought one a few months ago.....fast, very fast....and given the price....way cheap compared to the p4 series.
 
anybody have any idea which versions of XP (2002, 2003, etc) include the Service Pack 2. I've got version 2002 and it doesn't include it...and I'm desperately looking for a spare disc somewhere. Thanks.

mr
 
zap2 said:
The consumer Vista is due Jan 07

I see the Windows support as Job's Clone plan, we know Jobs did not like the Clone plan, because it did not build market share, so he killed it. This Windows and Mac OS X on a Mac makes it easy to boot both OS, people buy Macs, because they can use Windows, and the "iPod company" makes them. They start using Windows and Mac OS X, then just use OS X
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If that's their plan, then I sort of agree. When I bought my Mac mini (more than a year ago now), I kept my "faster, better" Athlon/Radeon9600/WinXP system, because the Mac mini "couldn't possibly be as good".

Well, one week later that PC booted for the last time and was then stripped of its drives two months later. :cool:
 
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