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Apple Releases Boot Camp Beta
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I haven't read throught the entire thread yet, but has anyone read the EULA for Boot Camp?
Why September 30?
Why September 30?
Kerberos said:Well, guess what is going to be the next move from Microsoft, which
is after all not completely stupid (should I say dumb ?) ...
They re going to release a version of Windows XP specifically tuned/optimized
for the Apple hardware
Starting today, Microsoft doesn t care anymore (if it ever did) about Apple taking market shares. An Apple hardware owner is now as good a customer to sell OS and softwares to, as a Dell or Hp or whatever.
On top of this you can also add that they will layoff the whole "Mac" business unit. We just hired someone from that group and they are all leaving becuase there is no future....
wedge antilies said:
This is right on target. Apple is making a great move and anyone in this industry would agree.
people don't need windows... i don't care what you say... you don't need it. you're putting an inferior os with a superior one, and making ignorance rise. people go in the store all the time asking questions that boggle my mind. you can do whatever you want on a mac, there are solutions out there, you don't need windows to solve them.... this makes me furious.... damnit apple, why'd you hafta ruin my 30th anniversary party
Bosunsfate said:
That is just ignorant of the facts. 1) M$ just signed an agreement with Apple to continue Office for Mac for at least 5 years. 2) Unless Apple really starts eating at Windows market share then M$ NEEDS to keep making Office for Mac for anti-trust reasons. So while current employees may not feel fulfilled there (and I think that feeling is pervasive throughout M$ these days) the MBU isn't going anywhere anytime soon.
Yvan256 said:
I think this is really close to the target. Apple is making the best gains in the home. It was the non-business editions that Microsoft delayed.
Microsoft = business
Apple = home
I think you are seeing the "peaceable" split between the two.
nbame786 said:
Umm, yeah they do, they're called gamers. The selection of games in windows is FAR superior to that on the Mac. It's the only reason I have a PC and a high end one at that. If this means I no longer have to do that I'll b every happy and have a little more money in the bank to boot.
Now Windows can have 100% market-share if all Macs become duals boot
Except for the .01% of linux users
Except for the .01% of linux users
Chupa Chupa said:
Chupa, Microsoft is not General Motors, they are not laying off thousands of staff.
But the writting is on the wall there, and 5 years is the absolute horizon...there is no future beyond that and like many things in the business world, once the end is in sight, things move to closure very quickly.
EDIT- something else to consider. They are only "supporting" Office for Mac. They are not developing new features for Office Mac. It would be a whole lot cheaper to support Office from India than from The Bay Area....
I'm impressed, treblah! I'll recommend that Apple hire you as director of development.treblah said:
Not like anyone is going to read this...
While I don't really understand why Apple did it (if I was in their shoes I wouldn't have). I do think this changes a lot of things.
Apple can't decide what kind of computer company they are....
Are they a consumer electronics company? iPods, HiFi, etc.
Are they a software company? "What makes a Mac a Mac isn't the processor under the hood. It's Apple's elegant operating system, OS X, which won't see major changes for 18 months, and the company's stylish hardware designs, which it will continue to produce." - Walt Mossberg
Are they a hardware company not caring what runs on their machines? Boot Camp
Apple can't seem to make up it's mind lately, tackling every angle possible hoping that they will ride this transition out. I am more and more hating this idea of windows on my mac. It's as if Steveo said, "i will let a crap OS run on my elegant machine." This is a total drop in quality control. I can hear the tech support calls already. "Welcome to DSL help" "yeah, i have a mac running windows, i need help." "uhhhhh...."
Think about the RDF that has been spun in the history of apple...
1. x86 sucks... or not
2. 3.0ghz in 1 year... or not
3. We don't believe in mobile video... here's and iPod with Video for you
4. We won't help people install windows on mac... or maybe we will
5. Two button mice are lame... but mighty mice rule!
6. Pssh, integrated graphics blow... or not, check out the new mini!
Just wait until the tablet pc comes out, and the iPhone comes out. Apple is going to get overexposed.
Think of all the game developers for Mac that this is going to put out of business. Why would I buy a mac game if I can just install windows and play it years before it comes out on mac? Why are game developers going to work with apple to improve OpenGL performance?
Im also worried about photoshop (and other cross platform) performance. What happens when native XP Photoshop runs faster than OS X Photoshop on the same hardware? I sure hope Apple is ready to go head to head in the performance sector of their os.
While I don't really understand why Apple did it (if I was in their shoes I wouldn't have). I do think this changes a lot of things.
Apple can't decide what kind of computer company they are....
Are they a consumer electronics company? iPods, HiFi, etc.
Are they a software company? "What makes a Mac a Mac isn't the processor under the hood. It's Apple's elegant operating system, OS X, which won't see major changes for 18 months, and the company's stylish hardware designs, which it will continue to produce." - Walt Mossberg
Are they a hardware company not caring what runs on their machines? Boot Camp
Apple can't seem to make up it's mind lately, tackling every angle possible hoping that they will ride this transition out. I am more and more hating this idea of windows on my mac. It's as if Steveo said, "i will let a crap OS run on my elegant machine." This is a total drop in quality control. I can hear the tech support calls already. "Welcome to DSL help" "yeah, i have a mac running windows, i need help." "uhhhhh...."
Think about the RDF that has been spun in the history of apple...
1. x86 sucks... or not
2. 3.0ghz in 1 year... or not
3. We don't believe in mobile video... here's and iPod with Video for you
4. We won't help people install windows on mac... or maybe we will
5. Two button mice are lame... but mighty mice rule!
6. Pssh, integrated graphics blow... or not, check out the new mini!
Just wait until the tablet pc comes out, and the iPhone comes out. Apple is going to get overexposed.
Think of all the game developers for Mac that this is going to put out of business. Why would I buy a mac game if I can just install windows and play it years before it comes out on mac? Why are game developers going to work with apple to improve OpenGL performance?
Im also worried about photoshop (and other cross platform) performance. What happens when native XP Photoshop runs faster than OS X Photoshop on the same hardware? I sure hope Apple is ready to go head to head in the performance sector of their os.
isn't vista being released in November of '07? Could that mean that Apple will support Vista as well?Daveway said:I haven't read throught the entire thread yet, but has anyone read the EULA for Boot Camp?
Why September 30?
bluedevil14 said:
I think that's a cushion to put the hounds off the scent. I thought the vascillating Vista venture was delayed until just after the 1st of the year (2007), not till November. Vista support hasn't been a question according to the Boot Camp documentation provided by Apple so far.
bluedevil14 said:
Just to be clear, Apple is not supporting XP here. This only gives users the ability to run Windows at their own risk, with no guarantee whatsoever, and with no technical support at all. That's why one of the reasons why they're calling it beta. If anything goes wrong, we told you this is a beta, you're own your own.
jblodgett said:
it's going to be a lot easier to get answers to specific questions by posting a thread in the Windows on Mac subforum
https://forums.macrumors.com/forums/86/
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Bosunsfate said:Chupa, Microsoft is not General Motors, they are not laying off thousands of staff.
Not entirely sure what that even has to do with any comment I made.
Bosunsfate said:
Normally, true. And IF the MBU was a for-profit division of M$ I'm positive M$ would have pulled the plug the day Jobs said Apple was switching to Intel rather than have to practically recode Office as a UB. But MBU is not a for-profit division of M$. It's only reason for existence is to keep the Mac OS afloat to keep the Feds away. I'm sure M$ doesn't like tossing money to MBU now anymore than it will 5 years from now. But it's a burden it must bear. That doesn't mean MBU is going to grow. Clearly it's not. But it's not going away either unless Apple's market share dramatically increases in the next 5 years....and then M$ may not want to dismantle the MBU.
I've been reading quotes like this since Apple announced the switch to Intel (about comparing benchmarks), but your post on the day that Apple released Boot Camp made me look at this in a whole new light. I'd always thought about comparing benchmarks on "similar" hardware from Dell, HP, etc. It's now going to be trivial to run both Windows and OS X native versions of apps on Mac hardware with an Apple-provided solution to do so.areyouwishing said:
When Photoshop goes native on Intel macs, we will definitely see Macworld magazine and others provide benchmarks for the OS X and Windows versions on Mac hardware.