Apple Releases Boot Camp Beta

[C00rDiNaT0r]

I don't get it

I don't know if anyone else has asked this before, but why did Apple (and I guess everyone else) only wanna do it for XP?

 

[yg17]

I don't know if anyone else has asked this before, but why did Apple (and I guess everyone else) only wanna do it for XP?

Most common OS. The average joe uses it.

Someone who wants to run Linux on their Intel Mac was probably geekie enough to figure it out a long time ago (weren't there EFI compatible distros out a few months back). And, no one was saying "Well I would switch to Mac if only Linux ran on it" because there have been PPC distros out for ages.

And Vista isn't out, so as of right now, Apple could care less about it. But since this adds BIOS support to the Intel Macs, any x86 OS should work.

 

[DakotaGuy]

Does this mean the End of the Clone Wars?

Yes, but it might finally mean an end to the OS wars if there still is one.

All I know is that I now need to "find" space on my hard drive to fit XP. Goodbye jampacks, office for Mac, and a few other things. Hello Civ IV, Office 2003, Streets and Trips, and my Lexmark training material.

Hmmm...if enough people think like that...it just might mean the end to Mac development on those software titles or the hope that a Mac version will ever be developed. If people buy the Windows version instead of the MacOSX version, why should they bother making them? I guess Apple finally realized they lost the OS war years ago and now is finally conforming to what is considered the "world standard."

 

[mazola]

Apple is re-releasing 'Arcade Boot Camp'?

It's about damn time!

 

[daysleeper]

I feel like a rift has opened up between us with powerPCs and those with intel chips.

I feel like saying, "wait up guys...what's going on? what's it look like? you can do what? wait up...wait..."

 

[bretm]

Yes, but it might finally mean an end to the OS wars if there still is one.



Hmmm...if enough people think like that...it just might mean the end to Mac development on those software titles or the hope that a Mac version will ever be developed. If people buy the Windows version instead of the MacOSX version, why should they bother making them? I guess Apple finally realized they lost the OS war years ago and now is finally conforming to what is considered the "world standard."

Funny, I see it more as another small step to putting OSX on ANY intel baesd machine. OSX after all is now running natively on Intel machines and has been for 5+years. Apple Company version II is now completely entrenched and ready to go if they lose the Hardware war. Not the OS war. Apple has become a software company that would love to continue to be a hardware company. But as I've mentioned before, wouldn't they love to sell FCP, Aperture, Motion, iDVD, iLife, DVD Studio Pro, Pages, Keynote, etc. to the whole world? Wouldn't they love to increase their market share 95% for their apps? They can make their apps run on Windows, which I'll be they all have a windows version being concurrently developed secretely, or they can open up the OS to ALL intel boxes. If they can't get enough hardware switchers from these apps, then they'll switch the apps or the OS to work on the hardware.

Apple holds all the cards. They have every possible option available to them. Open up the OS, open up the software, open up the hardware, you name it. And they've put themselves in this position without hardly a soul questioning it until they announced the intel switch.

This current move is a tease to see how much more hardware they can sell if it also runs windows. If after a year or so it doesn't really increase their user base much, then they make the next move. My guess is it would be selling their apps for either windows OR OSX. Hook some folks on the apps and then you could remove support for Windows, and release OSX for all intel boxes. Now your software users gobble up a copy of OSX so they can continue to run DVDSP, FCP, Pages etc.

 

[DakotaGuy]

Funny, I see it more as another small step to putting OSX on ANY intel baesd machine.

Now that is a GENIUS idea! If this means that someday Apple would open OSX to other PC's...it would really take it places!

 

[C00rDiNaT0r]

I feel like a rift has opened up between us with powerPCs and those with intel chips.

I feel like saying, "wait up guys...what's going on? what's it look like? you can do what? wait up...wait..."

I guess that's just... sucks for us...
I bought a 17in iMac G5 (w/ iSight) right before Christmas thinking it wouldn't be the 1st thing they upgrade in Jan '06...

 

[Multimedia]

3 Tutorials & All Links on how to make old XP into SP 2 version at page 23 Post #567

anybody have any idea which versions of XP (2002, 2003, etc) include the Service Pack 2. I've got version 2002 and it doesn't include it...and I'm desperately looking for a spare disc somewhere. Thanks.

mr

I've got all the instructions and 3 tutorial links on how to make your 2002 XP into SP2 at page 23 Post #567. It's really pretty easy.

 

[Sirin]

You want to know my thoughts?

 

[Multimedia]

How Do You Connect The External CD-ROM Drive??

Its actually really easy to install Media Center Edition on an Intel iMac... the reason it isn't supported is solely because you would have to eject the first disk to put the second one in (the disk with the MCE files on it)... and the eject button isn't supported at that point in the Windows installation.

That said, I successfully installed Media Center during my first attempt this afternoon. All you need is a secondary external CD-Rom drive. Here are the steps:

1. Plug in your External CD-Rom drive
2. Put Disk 1 into the computer's INTERNAL CD-Rom drive
3. Start installing Windows MCE as if it were a normal XP install
4. When the installer asks for CD 2, insert it into the EXTERNAL CD-Rom drive
5. Click the button all the way on the right of the dialog asking for CD 2 (it says Browse or Find or something)
6. Change the path from D:\cmpnents\mediactr\i386 to E:\cmpnents\mediactr\i386
7. Let the install finish-- and you will boot to Media Center!
8. Install the Macintosh Drivers CD.

Works flawlessly.

OK, I give up. How Do You Connect The External CD-ROM Drive?? FireWire is the only way I know how to do that so are you are saying that the FW port works during the install? Or must it be USB 2?

 

[Billy Boo Bob]

The MBU is a profit center. Yes it was formed as a result of the anti-trust case back in the 90's but that is no longer the case.

I thought the MBU was formed after MS Word 6-point-Oh-My-God. It sucked so bad that most people went back to 5.2 (5.x whatever it was). After the 6.0 mess they started advertising heavily in Mac rags looking for Mac developers. Wasn't that when the really nice Mac software started showing up from MS, and the start of MBU?

 

[skymaXimus]

I don't like this at all. No not one bit.

It's just Apple taking one more step towards Dvorak's world in which Apple dumps OSX and move completely to Windows.

I just don't like this.

I always say "I wish everyone used a Mac", but deep down inside, I love Apple having a low market share. I love the tight nit community of Mac users. I love that the people who use Macs are the people who "get it". I can glance at someone using a PowerBook and know he knows whats up.

It used to be that way with the iPod. Not anymore.

I love Apple because of its exclusivity and it's the best you can buy. I feel that I have a leg up on my competition because I use a Mac, but what about when everyone is using one? What then?

I think I'm going to probably be sick to my stomach the 1st time I walk by someone using a MacBook Pro, glance at his screen, only to see him using XP!

APPLE WHAT ARE YOU DOING TO US?

 

[dejo]

Hello, there,

This is Daniel Terdiman writing. I'm a reporter with CNET News.com.

I'm writing at 10:45 am pacific time Wednesday because I'm doing a story on deadline this morning about the Mac user community's response to Boot Camp.

What I'm looking for at this point is Mac users who are opposed to this news (as I already have a plethora of people who think it's good news). So, if there is some reason that you think this is bad for Apple, for Mac users, for Mac software developers, etc., please contact me at the email address ASAP.

Thanks so much. I look forward to hearing from you.

Daniel Terdiman
Staff Writer
CNET News.com
daniel.terdiman@cnet.com

Oh, if you're curious, here is the result:

Mac fans sign up for Boot Camp

 

[aafuss1]

I bet Apple will try to trademark Boot Camp.

Also, has anyone been able to activate XP via Boot Camp OK?

Now using Boot Camp, you could run software such MS Flight Simulator, The Movies , Half Life 2 or GTA:SA on a iMac, Mac mini or MacBook Pro

 

[1dterbeest]

If Apple really wants to make people see the
benefit of OS X versus XP on their machine,
they are going to have to market the hell out
of iLife, Photobooth, and FrontRow to the
switchers out there. A new switcher might be
tempted to use XP more and more since they
are used to it. Apple has to make their own
apps and OS more tempting with some marketing.

In other words, if an Apple Marketing Director
is reading this, HIRE ME! I have some great ideas!

 

[cerev]

Workaround for WinXP upgrade versions

Does anyone know of a workaround that will allow us to use of an upgrade version of WinXP?

 

[bketchum]

My Take on this whole thing? The name "Boot Camp" sucks.

If I tell a Windows user that they can "use Windows on your new Mac via a feature called Boot Camp," they will look at me very funny. It just doesn't fit like "Spotlight", "Dashboard", or "Front Row".

Imagine a serious TV reporter, with cocked eye and well-trained voice, Walter Cronkite-influenced, of course, standing outside Apple, hair blowing in a brisk April wind.

"I'm standing in front of Apple Computer's headquarters in Cupertino, CA reporting on the release of Apple's new Boot Camp software. The new program allows Windows XP to be installed on Macs; however, it's the name of the software that has many Mac fans puzzled."

"Some suggest the name Boot Camp is Apple humor for providing Windows on Macs (a despised idea for many Mac faithful); or perhaps it's Apple nervous humor, suggests one Mac pundit.

"Might Apple be ringing its hands wondering what they've done?"

"Could Apple have two internal camps, divided by why or why not Apple should do this? There are certainly two heavily-fortified camps on the Mac forums."

"The two arguments, seemingly legitimate, are yay or nay for allowing Windows to be installed on Macs: The yay say Apple will grow its market share. The nay say Apple will lose natively-written third-party software, further marginalizing Apple's Mac OS X operating system."

"Time will tell as this potential watershed moment in computer history may be quick and vastly evolving. Perhaps this is why Apple chose to release this software as a public beta."

"This is Scott Cronkenberg for News Six."

 

[Billy Boo Bob]

Oh, if you're curious, here is the result:

Mac fans sign up for Boot Camp

Man. Talk about Win Fanboy posts in the comments over there... "OS X is dead"... "Why Bother?"... I read those posts and now I'm conviced... Guess I'll just forget about getting a Mac and go with a Dell.

 

[ThatWasAwkward]

It is done. I now have WinXP alongside OS X on my iMac.

Weird.

 

[ssteve]

It is done. I now have WinXP alongside OS X on my iMac.

Weird.

I agree with you. I just finished the XP installation about an hour ago. I could not believe how easy it was, but of course it was Apple that created the procedure. I should not be suprised.

I was thinking about buying something like a Toshiba laptop so I can run all my games and SQL server and .net, I now am more than happy to scrap that idea. THANK YOU Apple!!!

 

[ssteve]

Food for thought

I don't know if anyone has already said this, but I just mentioned how cool this whole installation procedure is. Remember this...this is only the Beta version, it will just keep getting better if that is possible.

 

[Mr Defiant]

I predict MacBook Pros will suddenly become harder to find...

This will definitely boost hardware sales. The real question is will it convince enough people on the fence to try OS/X (hey. its free, and you can still install your copy of windows) and switch for good...

I've just ordered mine as I thought just the same!

 

[dejo]

Où Est Narf?

I'm curious. Has anybody heard anything from "narf" and "blanka" since they won the contest? It wouldn't at all be surprised to find out that Apple had brought them onboard to help with Boot Camp. Not that I have any proof of that...

 

[iMeowbot]

I'm curious. Has anybody heard anything from "narf" and "blanka" since they won the contest? It wouldn't at all be surprised to find out that Apple had brought them onboard to help with Boot Camp. Not that I have any proof of that...

Apple wouldn't have needed their services. They already had a complete CSM from Intel, and there are hardly any Mac-specific details they will have needed to address. What they have done now is restore the pieces they left out earlier.

The part that will have required a little more serious effort for Apple is the device driver support. They had to provide tables for the Intel chipset that enable the correct sensors and ranges, tweak the ATI drivers to recognize their lobotomized firmware, turn on the correct audio defaults, that sort of thing. The onmac.net folks hadn't really come up with great solutions for all those pieces.