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Apple Releases Boot Camp Beta

Billy Boo Bob said:
I thought the MBU was formed after MS Word 6-point-Oh-My-God. It sucked so bad that most people went back to 5.2 (5.x whatever it was). After the 6.0 mess they started advertising heavily in Mac rags looking for Mac developers. Wasn't that when the really nice Mac software started showing up from MS, and the start of MBU?
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You know, I just made the assumption that Chupa Chupa was correct when he originally refuted my earlier statement about the MBU not having much of a future. I guess I should check the facts. :rolleyes:

Anyway, my point still is that the MBU is a profit center for M$ and its future does not look bright. This is held up by the fact that developers are leaving. The MBU is not really developing new software, only supporting existing releases, etc....and the UB is just a ruse as I said earlier.

The next version of Office (12, 13?) has got major architectual problems and this is causing a lot of problems. The core is that they are changing the whole foundation of Office....sounded like a good idea at the time....:D
 
Just got cs source downloaded and played a quick game.

It plays just the same as my pc apart from the fact I'm using a track pad not a mouse at the moment hehe.

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Stress test ran with no problems and came back with a result of 83fps which is more than playable. I was able to run cs:s at the default res of the display 1440x900 which is great news.

I had one crash when I tried to run militia but it was fine with other maps so I think its the version of militia as opposed to the macbook

I took some vids of it in action

Stress test starting:
http://www.gordyhand.co.uk/files/mbp-css-stress.avi
(5mb)

Quick play on office:
http://www.gordyhand.co.uk/files/mbp-css-play.avi
(11.5mb)

And for comedy effect what happened to the dell pc in the office:
http://www.gordyhand.co.uk/files/mbp-css-dell.avi
(6mb)
 
I've run both 3d mark 06 and battlefield 2 now. Both run perfectly.

3dmark 06

I had to run at the default res of 1280x768 as I don't have the pro version to test it on.
The macbook pro scored 1535 3d marks , the cpu score was 1658

Please note: I have the 2.0ghz dual core mbp with 2gb of DDR2 and a X1600 256mb gfx card.

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Then I installed battlefield two which ran very well. The fans kick in with heavy 3d work which is good to hear.

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I took some vids of it in action:

http://www.gordyhand.co.uk/files/mbp-bf2.avi
(4.5mb)

http://www.gordyhand.co.uk/files/mbp-bf2b.avi
(5mb)
 
Worried about future Developer support of Mac?

For what it's worth here's what I'm going to do.

Use Boot Camp and/or Parallel (only) for trying out free demos of games that aren't available for Mac.

If I like the demo, I will let the developer know that I tried it, enjoyed it, and "eagerly await the Mac veersion so I can buy a copy".

If enough people actually do this, it just might make a difference.


Charleson Mambo

(I have, of course, NOT read the whole thread, so if this has been mentioned before, sorry for the repeated meme.)
 
Charleson Mambo said:
For what it's worth here's what I'm going to do.

Use Boot Camp and/or Parallel (only) for trying out free demos of games that aren't available for Mac.

If I like the demo, I will let the developer know that I tried it, enjoyed it, and "eagerly await the Mac veersion so I can buy a copy".

If enough people actually do this, it just might make a difference.


Charleson Mambo

(I have, of course, NOT read the whole thread, so if this has been mentioned before, sorry for the repeated meme.)
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BrillianT!

That's the first time I've heard it mentioned (and I've read the whole freakin thread. Including parts that don't exist anymore!). Count me IN!
 
It's all fun and games...

...until someone loses a platform.

Macintosh, RIP
1984-2006
 
macpastor said:
I don't see OS X going anywhere...
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I hope you meant "going away". When you don't see something going anywhere, it sounds like you're saying it doesn't have a future.

If that's what you did mean, then you need to check out the whole Tiger-vs.-Vista thing again.
 
Chupa Chupa said:
That is just ignorant of the facts. 1) M$ just signed an agreement with Apple to continue Office for Mac for at least 5 years. 2) Unless Apple really starts eating at Windows market share then M$ NEEDS to keep making Office for Mac for anti-trust reasons. So while current employees may not feel fulfilled there (and I think that feeling is pervasive throughout M$ these days) the MBU isn't going anywhere anytime soon.
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I would just like to say that the feeling of employees not being fulfilled here is NOT as pervasive as one would think. MS has it's fingers in an awful lot of pies, so Vista going to pot is not an indicator of the company as a whole. Look at the Home Entertainment Division, which is doing some of its best work right now with the 360... Windows Mobile and CE still have plenty of growth room, and has plans for the future which look quite promising that I cannot discuss in detail. Hell, even Office is doing some interesting and new things trying to make the UI less intimidating, but just as powerful.

The problem here is that Ballmer has stated to shareholders that Windows itself still has growth potential, and Vista just can't make that happen. But believe me when I say this: Even if MS eventually loses OS dominance, it will have plenty of divisions and products that will survive /almost/ unaffected. And plenty of us are just fine doing the work that we do. Windows... well, right now... that division is a mess, IMHO.

(And I have been a Mac user for well over a decade... I remember when System 6.0.7 was the new toy... I just happen to work in mobile devices)
 
I am genuinely afraid that Windows will somehow destroy Apple

There are now two types of Macs

Those that primarily Run OSX
Those that primarily run windows.

I just hope that the former doesn't shrink into oblivion. I welcome the change, I just hope its not the death of Apple.

One more thing... Does anyone else feel that what made Apple so special was that windows users couldn't lay their lame hands on it? Apple used to be so high class. Now they have attracted a bad element.
 
Abercrombieboy said:
Hmmm...if enough people think like that...it just might mean the end to Mac development on those software titles or the hope that a Mac version will ever be developed. If people buy the Windows version instead of the MacOSX version, why should they bother making them? I guess Apple finally realized they lost the OS war years ago and now is finally conforming to what is considered the "world standard."
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That's my fear. The only mac software will be that supplied by apple. everyone else will say buy windows and dual boot or use virtualization.
 
It seems like it could go two ways.

In one way it could highlight the deficiencies of the Windows operating system thereby encouraging users to switch to OS X.

The other way is that, despite it's inadequacy, Windows is still used and OS X is largely ignored for the most part.

There has to be some kind of scheme involved that I'm not seeing. Perhaps Apple just wants to increase sales even if it is at a cost to their own OS. :(
 
MacRumorsReader said:
I thought that this article was well written.

And the last line of it will make you laugh out loud: A true LOL moment.
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Particularly this quote referring to Boot Camp:
That's a "rather limited solution" said Bradley Dichter, technical adviser to Long Island Macintosh Users Group. Apple's next major release, Leopard, to be previewed in August, will make it easier to alternate between Windows and Mac OS.

I smell sweet goodness coming!
 
Senbei, as a newbie you are okay in my book. Your comprehensive response was pretty good.

People who work on the software industry know certainly well that development in OSX is far from dead....enough said.

Those screaming the end is near....we'll I'm sure there are some churches in Waco, Texas that will welcome you in. :p
 
Krevnik said:
I would just like to say that the feeling of employees not being fulfilled here is NOT as pervasive as one would think. MS has it's fingers in an awful lot of pies, so Vista going to pot is not an indicator of the company as a whole. Look at the Home Entertainment Division, which is doing some of its best work right now with the 360... Windows Mobile and CE still have plenty of growth room, and has plans for the future which look quite promising that I cannot discuss in detail. Hell, even Office is doing some interesting and new things trying to make the UI less intimidating, but just as powerful.

The problem here is that Ballmer has stated to shareholders that Windows itself still has growth potential, and Vista just can't make that happen. But believe me when I say this: Even if MS eventually loses OS dominance, it will have plenty of divisions and products that will survive /almost/ unaffected. And plenty of us are just fine doing the work that we do. Windows... well, right now... that division is a mess, IMHO.

(And I have been a Mac user for well over a decade... I remember when System 6.0.7 was the new toy... I just happen to work in mobile devices)
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Krevnik, just a question, but my assumption is that you are talking about MS as a whole? I would certainly agree with you that the MS Corporation is not going anywhere and do show some good promise, in many areas.

That said, there are always sub-divisions within a company that come and go. The MBU group is certainly one of those...

Then again we partner with our competition in many ways. So for MS to redfined what the MBU objectives are is certainly possible.
 
1. Why are G5 people upset? I thought you all hated windows.
2. For corporate users, like me, can anyone tell me how powerpoint and office run?
 
Multimedia said:
OK, I give up. How Do You Connect The External CD-ROM Drive?? FireWire is the only way I know how to do that so are you are saying that the FW port works during the install? Or must it be USB 2? :confused: :eek: :rolleyes:
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Sorry, Yeah, my drive was USB... not sure about FireWire support in the Windows Installer.
 
sbb155 said:
1. Why are G5 people upset? I thought you all hated windows.
2. For corporate users, like me, can anyone tell me how powerpoint and office run?
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Doesn't bother me. I love my G5 and it's still quite a beast in terms of power.

Having the option to run Windows @ 99% full speed (w/o buying a PC) is nice. I will never use Windows as my mainstream OS, though. It's great for Pinball. :D
 
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